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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:00 PM
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Memo: To Pennsylvania, et. al. - 'Hillary's NAFTA Lies' - The Nation
Hillary's NAFTA Lies Kill All of Her Credibility on Trade
Posted by John Nichols, The Nation at 7:24 AM on March 22, 2008.

<snip>

What is the proper word for the claim by Hillary Clinton and the more factually disinclined supporters of her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination -- made in speeches, briefings and interviews (including one by this reporter with the candidate) -- that she has always been a critic of the North American Free Trade Agreement?

Now that we know from the 11,000 pages of Clinton White House documents released this week that former First Lady was an ardent advocate for NAFTA; now that we know she held at least five meetings to strategize about how to win congressional approval of the deal; now that we know she was in the thick of the manuevering to block the efforts of labor, farm, environmental and human rights groups to get a better agreement. Now that we know all of this, how should we assess the claim that Hillary's heart has always beaten to a fair-trade rhythm?

Now that we know from official records of her time as First Lady that Clinton was the featured speaker at a closed-door session where 120 women opinion leaders were hectored to pressure their congressional representatives to approve NAFTA; now that we know from ABC News reporting on the session that "her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA" and that "there was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time;" now that we have these details confirmed, what should we make of Clinton's campaign claim that she was never comfortable with the militant free-trade agenda that has cost the United States hundreds of thousands of union jobs, that has idled entire industries, that has saddled this country with record trade deficits, undermined the security of working families in the US and abroad, and has forced Mexican farmers off their land into an economic refugee status that ultimately forces them to cross the Rio Grande River in search of work?


As she campaigns now, Clinton says, "I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning."

But the White House records confirm that this is not true.

Her statement is, to be precise, a lie.

When it comes to the essential test of the trade debate, Clinton has been identified as a liar -- a put-in-boldface-type "L-I-A-R" liar.


Those of us who covered the 1993 NAFTA debate have frequently expressed doubts about the former First Lady's recent statements. We never heard anything at the time about her dissenting from the Clinton Administration line on trade policy. And we knew that she had defended NAFTA in the years following its enactment. But fairness required that we at least entertain that notion--promoted by the lamentable David Gergen, himself a champion of free-trade policies while working in the Clinton White House--that Hillary Clinton had been a behind-the-scenes critic. We had to at least consider the possibility that, at the very least, Clinton had been worried that advancing NAFTA would trip up her advocacy for health care reform, that she had made her concerns known and that she had absented herself from pro-NAFTA lobbying.

This was certainly the impression that Clinton and her supporters sought to create as she campaigned in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana--states where worried workers want to know exactly where the candidates have stood and currently stand with regard to trade issues.

But that impression was a deliberate deception.

And we must all now recognize that when Hillary Clinton speaks about trade policy, she begins with a lie so blatant--that she's been "a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning"--that everything else she says must be viewed as suspect.


<snip>

Link: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/80454/www.thenation.com

:shrug:


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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:02 PM
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1. I Saw This But Didn't Dare Post It Even Though It Is True
This along with her Bosnia lie should give everyone some pause.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:09 PM
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3. I Just Want The People Of Pennsylvania And Indiana, And Everyone Else, To Have This...
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 01:15 PM by WillyT
info BEFORE they cast their votes.

:shrug:
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:14 PM
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8. I Agree, I Just Chickened Out Because Of The Word "Lie"
in the title. But she did lie about it, Bosnia, her IWR vote, and her reason for leaving her name on the ballot in Michigan. And those are just the lies shes been caught on.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:32 PM
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27. Too many for me to keep track of. My accountant is doing it for us ;) n/t
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:05 PM
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2. It's a shame the Ohio voters didn't hear the truth. nt
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:15 PM
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very, very true. n/t
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:09 PM
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4. She Pulled A Couple Nasty Tricks In Ohio That Helped Her Avoid A Defeat...
I wonder what she has in store for the second week of April.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:36 PM
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28. what is nastier than Bill on Limbaugh's radio program?
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:13 PM
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5. No more Clintons, No more Bushes. No more taking it in our tushes!!
That is all.
:patriot:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:17 PM
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11. LOL !!! - You Bad !!!
:spank:

:rofl:
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:14 PM
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6. Are you listening Pennsylvania ?
This campaign is not over.

And ignoring the bald faced lies, makes Hillary in it to win it.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:14 PM
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7. John Nichols NAILS IT!
I have the good fortune to be able to talk with John Nichols here in Madison on different occasions and he and I were talking about this issue. He had followed the 1992 campaign in New Hampshire and South Carolina with the Clinton campaign and knew that both Hillary and Bill were very much for NAFTA. They thought Perot was nuts when he was talking about the "giant sucking sound" that NAFTA would create with loss of jobs and industry.

It also takes a lot for Nichols to come out and use the word "lie" in his work. But there is no other way to put it when it comes to where he illustrates the truth about NAFTA and the Clintons.

Spot on, John. Again.



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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:15 PM
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9. You've Certainly Been Putting Up Some Interesting Articles Lately
K & R
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:20 PM
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12. I'm In A Mood...
:hi::evilgrin::hi:
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:17 PM
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10. NAFTA gives us rights to get Canadian and Mexican oil
NAFTA has created a lot of wealth in agricultural America. There is some scheme where it has enabled Monsanto and the seed producers to claim ownership of strains of seeds in other countries and to enforce ownership rights. I am still putting that story together. It may be more function of WTO.

NAFTA has forced Mexican maize farmers out of business because they could not compete with American agribusiness. Hence the rise in undocumented immigration to the US.

Manufacturing has been moving to Mexico since before NAFTA I think that WTO and Chinese trade deals have hurt us more than NAFTA.

I think Obama's campaign literature this month in Ohio was blunt, superficial, and roughly written. That is about the extent of my criticism of Obama.

Thank you for reading this. Hope you learned something.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:20 PM
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13. .
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:27 PM
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14. The problem is, will the M$M give this as much coverage as they gave the Rev. Wright story?
Of course not. They will give Clinton a pass so they can keep her hopes up and raise their ratings while she tears the party apart... And besides, it would be "boring" having 2 "presumed" candidates - Obama & McCain already selected before the Conventions and nothing "controversial" for them to report about, election-wise, until the summer... And then the M$M would be forced to.... ahem... actually REPORT about what is going on in this country!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:35 PM
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15. I Hear Ya, But Don't Underestimate Our Ability To Push This Out There...
:shrug:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:05 PM
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16. K&R.
Oh dear.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:45 PM
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17. Kick !!!
:kick:
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2_CentsWorth Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:45 PM
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18. Does Obama tell lies?
I find it to be unsettling, bordering on scary, to think of someone as inexperienced as Obama becoming president. Does he think Americans are not listening when he tells us Senator Clinton lies? Obama might do well to look at his own record on telling lies.

To the contrary, it is Obama who lies. Obama lies when he tells us Clinton lied about her position on NAFTA -- ask David Gergen, he was there when Clinton, as first lady, spoke against NAFTA in private but publicaly had to support her husband.

Obama lies when he tells us he didn't "hear" or he didn't "know" that Rev. Wright spoke of horrendous acts that America had committed against blacks.

Obama lies when he told the voters his position on NAFTA and then told the Canadian government official that what he told the voters was just political rhetoric.

Obama lies when he tells us "Words Matter" and then quotes JFK, MLK, and FDR but when Rev. Wright spews out venom at America he tells us "Rev. Wright's Words Don't Matter".

Obama is the one who cannot be trusted -- he threw his kindly old " typical white" Grandma under the bus to save himself from the reality of Rev. Wright's words.

Remember, Desmond Tutu said that "Language creates the reality it describes." Obama is trying to "create" a picture of himself that does not fit at all with his decision to accept Wright's preaching and continue to associate with Wright over a period of nearly 20 years.

Based on the above, Obama has shown himself to be a consistent liar, if the Superdelegates allow him to become the nominee the Republicans will easily put John McCain into the Oval Office in 2008.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:03 PM
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20. 20 posts, no profile
Not worth two cents.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:13 PM
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21. Well... It Is Easter Sunday...
Probably a resurrected DUer from tombstone land.

:shrug:
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:46 PM
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19. Pennsylvania voters
We know everything there is to know about Senator Clinton. The very fact someone can post that she could have influenced this important legislation shows you how qualified she is to be the next President of the United States. Senator Clinton has spoken and answered questions about her involvement with the North America Free Trade Agreement ("NAFTA") while she was First Lady. Neither Senators Obama nor Clinton were elected at that time and did not vote on this policy.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 05:06 PM
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22. Kick !!!
:kick:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:40 PM
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23. And Kick !!!
:kick:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:50 PM
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24. It is impressive that states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana who've suffered the most
under Clinton's right wing trade policies also strongly support Hillary- and/or continue to vote Republican.

Boggles the mind, actually.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:55 PM
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25. EXACTLY !!!
Bought the whole fish, line, and sinker.

:shrug:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:32 PM
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26. Excellent article! Pennsylvania are you listening? n/t
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:43 AM
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29. Kick !!!
:kick:
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:50 AM
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30. memo received and understood.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:34 PM
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31. One Last...
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