Hillary supporters: please list ONLY POSTITIVE reasons to vote for your candidate

[JayFredMuggs]

OK here's the challenge:

List ONLY reasons why Hillary is best able to lead.

Please omit mention of any negative comments about any opponent, McSame, or Obama.

Please list only qualities you see, concrete experience and skills Hillary has proved.

OK, I'll start!

Reason number one.

She has a name that is recognized by virtually every single American over 10 years old, and not in a coma, and by half the rest of the free world.

Are there any other reasons?

[jgraz]

1. And just so we're clear: "I'm POSITIVE Obama is an asshole" doesn't count.

:hi:

[papau]

6. LOL - now I have to just note that I think she will do "change" - and Obama not so much - he has

advisers called "chief advisers" that tell Canada that Nafta comment about ending NAFTA if it is not reformed to Fair Trade is a lie put out for the sheep that adore him.

He has an adviser that tells Kudlow on CNBC that there are no social program costs because Obama does not expect to pass any of them.

He has an adviser that tells an EU paper that the EU should not worry about a pull out of Iraq in 16 months because his real position is the same as Hillary's - to call in the experts after the election - only she says she will call them in to get a plan to get out as fast as possible - and he makes no such promise - at least not to the EU, via that interview with Ms. Powers.

He has shown himself to be a liar (Wright not hearing and Rezko limited relationship) - as has she (Bosnia landing) - who corrects himself later - as she has done.

He has a shady relationship with Lewis and Rezko involving land deals and Wright. She has none such as has been proven by a %70 million dollar investigation.

She has shaped major legislation and worked with the GOP to get bills passed - and not had to sign on to corporate tax cuts to get that GOP co-operation, while his one co-sponsored money bill involved a tax cut for corporations.

He exaggerates his experience - referring to a tiny bill to ask the State Department for a study of Nuclear arms as a sign he is into "disarmament". - but then so has she.

She has the bigger bias to over come - sex - as has been noted Black males got the vote 59 years before females.

She is more knowledgeable on just about every issue - and as we saw with Bush - relying on the elected one to have great advisers is not a good plan.

He slimed her by playing the race card so as to change the subject from her New Hampshire win - and got the media - and DU - to buy the idea that it was actually that racist Bill and Hillary working directly and through surrogates - until the damage was done and then he said that of course Bill and Hill are not racist.


She has the character, backbone, and liberal change intention that I do not find in him.

[Kittycat]

8. Can you read?

"Please omit mention of any negative comments about any opponent, McSame, or Obama."

[papau]

9. not negative - just compare and contrast

[TomBall Democrat]

14. Thanks for proving the point!

There is as much fair and balanced about the remaining HRC supporters as I am likely to find on Fox News tonight.

Peace.

[Window]

20. It's a sickness.

[JayFredMuggs]

22. Obviously that poster above you can't read the rules

Nor is there more in that post other than "Hillary worked on bills with Republicans"........that's really a great reason to be Prez, isn't it?

[TomBall Democrat]

11. She that's why I can't understand the loyalty and interest

in HRC remaining. And can't agree with you.

Most of your post was reactionary about Obama.

Very little about her.

Which major changes has she passed?

[papau]

16. "Has she passed" does not reflect how Congress works - her support passed many a bill - Obama has

influenced only the corporate tax decrease with extra 20 million going to social program bill, plus his request to State Dept to do a study ( his famous Nuclear disarmament bill).

[TomBall Democrat]

17. So now you didn't mean what you said.

I used your words.

Goodbye

[JayFredMuggs]

23. The answer would be ZERO!

But Hillary supporters have an excuse for that!

[Spider Jerusalem]

30. Ignorance and stupidity; par for the course

That seventy million dollar investigation? Ten years ago. Lot has happened since then, and HRC has some ethically questionable, at BEST, associations since then (see for instance the normally-Republican Hasidic Jews in Brooklyn who *all* voted for her in her first Senate election because Bill pardoned several of their number who were imprisoned for fraud).

And only some sort of half-witted moron would be able to say 'black men got the vote 50 years before women' with a straight face; how many *white women*, post-1920, had to pay a poll tax? Or pass a literacy test? Or worry about getting lynched for exercising their Constitutional rights?

[PseudoIntellect]

53. Right, Obama exaggerates his experience, something that Hillary doesn't do AT ALL.

:sarcasm:

[readmoreoften]

36. I'm not positive that Obama is an asshole but I'm positive that a number of his supporters are.

:hi:

[TomBall Democrat]

57. Goodbye to you

[MercutioATC]

2. I'm an Obama supporter and I'll give you two:

1) She has a lot of political connections and savvy.

2) She's tenacious.


See, it's not so hard...

[JayFredMuggs]

24. Good ones!

No, not hard to come up with, but hardly reasons why any of the 100 Senators could not pass THAT threshold!

[Ravy]

43. I am neutral, but I like the way she plans on fighting

rather than compromising with the Republicans.

I also think she will be able to garner more respect in the world by playing by well respected diplomatic rules rather than just rewarding troublemakers around the world with the prestige that comes from a presidential visit.

Obama has just as many pluses in other areas. I think we would be fine with either.

[GarbagemanLB]

3. Uh...she's not Obama.

:rofl:

[JayFredMuggs]

25. Now see, that's exactly what is NOT qualified as

a rational answer.

Hillary supporters, so often, more than often, are only ANTI-Obama people.........shame ! Being negative NEVER gets you the Presidency!

[PseudoIntellect]

54. Yeah, that was an Obama supporter being sarcastic.

[Selatius]

4. I'm neutral, but I will say Hillary's health care plan is better; it's similar to Edwards' plan.

However, I would say that I prefer Edwards' plan for the fact that he sets up health care markets which will pit public health insurance against private equivalents. Of course, the public health insurance entity would win on price alone in the end, simply because it would not tack on a profit mark-up that all for-profit corporations must do to enrich their shareholders.

How ironic that would be if private health insurance companies are defeated through competition with public health insurance.

[JayFredMuggs]

26. Are we electing a President, or a vote on a proposal for Health Care which never

ever got to the Senate in the last 7 years?

All the time when Hillary could have introduced the bill.

[Vattel]

44. The last 7 years?

There was a republican pres and congress for most of those years and a republican pres with veto power for all of those years. That does affect the prospects for passing universal health care.

[dsc]

5. Here are several

One, her health care plan is the best of the remaining candidates and is the only one which would lead to universal health care due to its mandate.

Two, she will work until the last dog dies, is resurected, and gives birth to aliens to do what she believes is best for the country.

Three, she is able to speak coherently on every issue of government all the time.

Four, I believe that she will use similar economic advisors to those her husband used and restore our economy.

Five, she has a personal connection with gays that leads me to believe she will honestly fight for our issues when elected.

[TomBall Democrat]

13. It's five that bothers me

Because I remember VIVIDLY the day that the Clintons backed down on the military issue.

And we got don't ask don't tell.

They didn't deliver on their promise 16 years ago. I'm not buying it this time.

[dsc]

32. sorry but you remember wrong

The facts are not in dispute. They are not matters of opinion. Clinton didn't have the Congressional votes to change the policy (that banned conscentual sodomy in the military) and thus couldn't permit gays to serve via executive order or prevent a congressional ban via veto. Sorry, but those are the facts, period.

The fought and lost.

[TomBall Democrat]

56. Disagree - but can see it's worthless to discuss further nt

[RC]

21. What are you talking about?

Hillary's Health Care Plan is a sop for the insurance companies. They'd make out even better than they are doing now because of the mandatory aspects of her so called plan.

[dsc]

33. I would prefer single payer

but you are directly lying when you say it mandates payment to insurance companies. It mandates a buy in to government insurance or private insurance, whichever the person chooses.

[RC]

47. I would suggest you do some objective reading, if you can.

Google is your friend.

BTY, I do not lie. I suggest you find a dictionary and look up what lying means.
Oh, and your response seem a little juvenile also.

[dsc]

49. Her plan is crystal clear

you can buy into medicare (which is a government program last I checked) this isn't an opinion, it is a simple, plain fact. It is a direct lie to say the opposite.

On edit here is the oh so hard to understand language


If you have a plan you like, you keep it. If you want to change plans or aren't currently covered, you can choose from dozens of the same plans available to members of Congress, or you can opt into a public plan option like Medicare. And working families will get tax credits to help pay their premiums.

[trekbiker]

41. because she's deadly serious and unemotional...

like a robot

she needs to smile less. It looks like it hurts.

[carlotta]

7. Because she is results-oriented and damned good at it

I've heard countless stories from her constituents who have needed help with their everyday problems. Wheter it's getting a health insurer to pay for a procedure, to getting the mailman to deliver mail to their house, to help getting aid for a child with learning problems, and on and on--we hear how Hillary has stepped in and gotten it done.

Granted, she's not always personally involved, but it's clear that she has set goals for her staff and insisted on getting problems solved. That is so much more meaningful to me than any rhetoric from a candidate.

[TomBall Democrat]

19. Admirable qualities, helping out the little guy and all

but not so sure I want my president to be obsessing over the little stuff. I helped my neighbors get gasoline and oxygen after the last hurricane on the Gulf Coast. But that doesn't make me presidential.

Also, anecdotal evidence works better for me when supported by a verifiable source. Just saying -

[JayFredMuggs]

27. So ..her office is good at constituent affairs....so are hundreds of others

How does THIS qualify her as President, where she won't have that office?

[Toucano]

10. She's not really my candidate, but she does have clean teeth. n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

12. She's smart, hard-working, dedicated

and tough as nails.

[JayFredMuggs]

28. So who isn't?

I think you must be thinking these are reasons to support someone for President, actually it's a reason to give them the community citizen of the year award for local police, fire, teachers, mayors, .....

Not really a Presidential qualification.

[MonkeyFunk]

35. I'm sorry

I thought you were sincere in your OP. My mistake. You just want to pick a fight.

[Vattel]

42. I agree

that Obama has these qualities too, but let us not forget that these qualities are good reasons to support HRC or Obama over McCain who, like Reagan and GW, is a far cry from smart.

[K Gardner]

15. Because, she takes her stuff and leaves !

[JayFredMuggs]

29. She only does that in Bosnia under sniper fire.

In the USA, she just takes the stuff.

[TomBall Democrat]

18. Okay, here's how you do a positive, HRC supporters -

She has been a persistent advocate for the rights of children. Since the early days of the Children's Defense Fund. I have no doubt that No Child Left Behind will finally be behind us if HRC is elected.


See, when you focus on the candidate - you can find a reason FOR.

When you focus other than the candidate - it's no sale.

Give it a shot...

[JayFredMuggs]

31. I think, after about a dozen posts, you gave them a hint as to how to

ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION!

So few are able to do this, sort of amazes me about what level of precise question answerers are supporting Hillary,


as opposed to those supporting Hillary by just opposing Obama for the heck of it, or out of some sort of fear.

[readmoreoften]

34. Yeah and when is your campaign going to do the same? That accusation cuts both ways.

The majority of the posts on DU are slamming the opposition and the majority of posts are opposed to Clinton so you do the math. Most Obama supporters cite "goose bumps" and "personal feelings of hope" as their reason for voting for Obama which is completely unconvincing to those who don't get goose bumps and are annoyed by his speeches.

Here's my list:


Clinton is somewhat better than McCain for the people of America.
Obama is somewhat better than McCain for the people of America.

(Other countries are probably just as fucked though as neither candidate will check--in fact probably doesn't have the power to check--the complete exploitation of people and natural resources by global capital.)

[jenmito]

37. Kick to see if Hillary supporters can do any better than they have so far.

:hi:

[BooScout]

38. She's smarter.

Notice how I didn't mention any names at all.:evilgrin:

[LisaM]

39. She wants to scrap No Child Left Behind

She admits it hasn't worked (not just that it was an unfunded mandate). She also has the goal of making sure every one has health care insurance, and has stated that she wants it to be the first step towards single payer.

[BzaDem]

40. She has a solid command of the issues.

Every time I hear Hillary talk about the issues, I am very impressed. She has the knowledge and experience I want in our President, the hardest job in the country.

Her grasp on economics (combined with her good debating skills) will make McCain look like a fool.

[JayFredMuggs]

45. Unfortunately Hillary supporters missed the national poll

As to who could beat McSame

Poll: Obama would be tougher candidate against McCain
Posted: 04:10 PM ET
A new poll suggests Sen. Obama would be a tougher candidate for John McCain to beat.
A new poll suggests Sen. Obama would be a tougher candidate for John McCain to beat.

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(CNN)— A new poll finds a majority of Republicans and Democrats feel Sen. Barack Obama would be a tougher candidate against the presumptive Republican nominee John McCain in a potential fall match-up.

In a Gallup poll released Monday, 59 percent of Democratic voters believe Obama has the best chance at beating John McCain. Thirty percent said Clinton was more likely to win a matchup with the Arizona senator.

Republicans surveyed say Clinton would be the easiest to beat: 64 percent said Clinton would make a weaker fall opponent for McCain, while just 22 percent said Obama.

The survey of 1,005 adults conducted March 24-27 has a sampling error of 4 percent.

The discussion of which Democrat stands the strongest against John McCain has been an ongoing debate since the Republican race narrowed leaving the Arizona Senator as the Republican nominee in waiting.


–CNN’s Emily Sherman

[Vattel]

48. Really?

The fact that 59% of democrats believe that Obama is more likely to win is not much of a reason to think that he is more likely to win.

[Vattel]

46. Good answer.

There's not much difference between Clinton and Obama on the issues; so the only way to argue that one of them is better than the other is to make comparisons on things like intelligence, command of the issues, experience, integrity, electability, priorities, etc. But it will be difficult in a short post to adequately justify any such comparison. I can, however, say that she seems to me (and I could be wrong) to be superior to Obama on caommand of the issues and experience.

[TheDonkey]

50. hmm no recs by the Hillary supporters. Someone mention McClurkin quick!

[toys4kitty]

51. I had high hopes, but alas- they have been crushed

I was really hoping that I could read this thread and get some quantifiable reasons why I should be in favor of HRC instead of BHO. It started out on a good note and low and behold- it got all nasty!

Why is it so damn hard to focus on the question? Why is it so hard for supporters to make legitimate reasons for why their preferred candidate is better than the other?

It's really a good opportunity for true HRC supporters to contribute to a sound conversation which is important for many people who have not made a decision yet as to who they will support.

I'll list one and I'm not a current HRC supporter -

She has spent a lot of time overseas and thus already has inroads for future relations with other countries.

(Notice how I stuck to facts only? I didn't equate her time as first lady with policy making experience or make assumptions. I also leave it up to you to decide if those inroads are beneficial or not)

[MojoMojoMojo]

52. Shell get us healthcare reform and end the war,and she doesnt have a cult of zombies supporting her.

[Awsi Dooger]

55. The economy impacts everyone, and it's more likely to improve significantly under Hillary

That's what blows me away. We're seemingly content to assume Obama will restore the economy to '90s level. Does anyone have any idea what that would look like, on a wagering market, regarding which candidate would forge a superior economy? Hillary would be a significant favorite. I have no idea how we ignore or downplay that.

Bush tried to pretend it was push button in 2000, guaranteed surplus and prosperity. Now Obama supporters are eager to listen to one economic speech and think it deserves equal weight to restoring a team with a proven track record. Unbelievable.

I remember in the late '90s representatives of about two dozen countries visited the United States to study the economic strategies and conditions, hoping to transport similar ideas to their homelands. Sounds inconceivable given where our economy is now, but that was the reality with a Clinton in office.