Oh for criminy sake. Gore and Carter are NOT gonna "Throw her out of the race."

[FlyingSquirrel]

Can't believe I just saw that comment.

Gore and Carter, IF they endorse Obama, will not be throwing anyone out of the race. And they're not gonna put their arm around Hillary's shoulders and say, "Sorry Hill, it's time to go." Gore of all people knows what it's like to lose a close race and I'm sure he'll want to see all the votes counted. Besides, it's not up to them. It's up to Hillary.

That is all.

[Mz Pip]

1. I don't believe it either

It will play out and both Gore and Carter will support whoever our nominee is.

I can't see either one of them having that much influence over Hillary.

[truebrit71]

2. "Gore knows what it's like to lose a close race"...yeah...but this one ain't close...

..she's behind...badly in all votes, delegates and states...

[joshcryer]

11. Badly?

Seriously?

[Milo_Bloom]

15. Yes, Badly.

When one is losing by so much that they would have to pull off something in all remaining states they weren't able to do even in their own home state, they are losing badly.

Basically, to win Clinton would have to win all the remaining states AND the super delegates by margins she has been unable to achieve in any previous state. or at any previous time... even when she was "inevitable" she didn't command the type of super delegate lead among the remaining SD's she would need to put this away.

In short, baring some type of real scandal, not these fake "bitter" or "rev. wright" things, but a REAL scandal, she has absolutely 0 chance. That is losing badly.

[SoCalDem]

12. and she's part of the reason HE "lost" in 2k

She gobbled up all the media and money from donors, and stood silently by as he was savaged by the press...before, during and after the election..

[Diane R]

20. Yes, she and Bill happily watched Gore lose....even though they knew he won.

[elocs]

3. Reality is a harsh mistress.

If it happens, they will probably indicate their support for Obama and encourage other SDs to do the same. I would guess most likely after Pennsylvania where Clinton will not win by the huge margin she needs. The popular vote and delegates will be split closely and Obama will likely win by big margins else where. When the night is over, Obama will still have the lead in popular votes and delegates. Then, if Gore and Carter throw their support to Obama we will really see how math challenged Hillary is and an indication of her true motives.

[xchrom]

4. they're gonna let it play out -- which is what they should do. nt

[Zachstar]

6. Atleast until the 13th

I just don't see them giving a full out endorsement until Clinton has a fair chance to recover.

By the 13th we will basically know if this thing has ANY ANY ANY point to continue.

And common folks That is but a month from now! We can deal with one more month of this! It will allow Obama to solidify his position even more and give Clinton a chance to exit before she loses the superdelegate lead.

[FlyingSquirrel]

7. That is a VERY interesting statement.

That makes a lot of sense. If she's going to exit the race before the end of the primaries, she'd most likely want to do so BEFORE she loses the superdelegate lead, to maintain some kind of dignity and avoid losing face. A very good point. Has this been brought up before?

[Zachstar]

10. Im sure a political scientist has come up with a point like that.

And got me thinking. Why would she obviously lay a political trap that does nothing but harms her campaign?

Well think about this. PA is viewed as one of the ultimate Clinton political firewalls. Recently Obama has been eating into her leads and the polls were getting so low for Clinton Obama actually got into the lead in one.

Now think about Snipergate and Bill's comments on this video (This is political science not a rickroll) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x117100

Bill made two giant political mistakes.

#1 His comments fired up Snipergate again. With the rebirth promising to be even more damaging.
#2 The video is self explanatory

So Clinton was about to have two political controversies flare up just over a week from the PA primary. Controversy that could have cost her PA. Thus effectively ruining her politically.

So faced with this stunning problem she did the bittergate in my view in a desperate attempt to turn people away from that. Better to have people pissed at you because you say that they arent pissed than talking about snipergate sommore.

Now it is starting to look like she will be atleast within 5 percent in PA. She got a short term gain that will keep stunning amounts of supers from going to Obama.

However, It is going to harm her long term. Bittergate once the initial faux outrage does nothing will center around things such as NAFTA, Columbia ties, China, etc...

That will take time. And gives her a chance to get the last laugh before exiting right before she loses her superdelegate lead.

Bittergate is going to give her another month in this race. She got a short term win out of it.

[AX10]

8. Agreed.

[thewiseguy]

22. You do not know what they will do...

Then you make an assumption about what they will do and after that you say yes that is what they should do?

Am I missing something here?

They can do whatever they please to do. If Hillary has the choice to run then Gore and Carter have the choice to endorse Obama.

[HuffleClaw]

5. sounds bogus to me

well, not the premise but the timing.

[BenDavid]

9. yes, it tis up to HRC and you let gore and carter try to stop this

before Pa. or before the other states have voted and you will see if obigot gets the nomination the 30% of HRC supporters that say they will not vote for obigot move to 42%.

[QC]

13. But...but...but...some guy in SCOTLAND said it's gonna happen! n/t

[Zachstar]

16. I strongly suggest you do not dis Scotland. Many people have family ties to that country.

Btw

By Chris Stephen
in New York

In New York

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/It39s-Obama-stupid-Carter-and.3976738.jp


So while it is but a single source. The country it comes from has little to do with anything.

[QC]

18. Yes, I have ties to Scotland. Clan McCulloch here.

So you are wasting your time trying to make some fake P.C. outrage deal of this.

The point is that we have a single source for this story, yet the faithful are going apeshit over it, treating it as fact and cranking out a new thread every minute or two.

[Zachstar]

19. So why do you care? If it turns out to be false then Clinton benefits greatly.

As you know a few people will take the news as a sign this race is over and they will work less no?

[IndianaJones]

14. someone told scotland. you don't lie to scotland. nt

[QC]

17. This is just a bright, shiny object thrown out to divert attention from O's latest gaffe. n/t

[thewiseguy]

21. Yes... the Scottish were really worried about Obama