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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:43 PM
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The Ayers letter talked about in debate was published on the morning of 9/11/01 (before the attacks)
From Philly Daily News blogger:

8:41 p.m.: This is exactly what the liberal blogs were talking about! This question about William Ayers (sp?) of the Weather Underground, now a Chicago professor and acquaintance of Obama, was planted by Sean Hannity in a conversation he had with Stephanapolous. By the way, for what it's worth, viewers probably don't realize that the letter that they're talking about was published on the morning of 9/11/01, i.e., before the attacks. I'm sure the average viewer doesn't get it. The average viewer is just getting that Obama must be some kind of America hater who hangs out with terrorists.

This is disgusting.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:48 PM
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1. very disgusting
also... in the debate hillary stated that the weather underground killed people.
i always thought they didnt kill anyone.
only that one of there own died while making a bomb.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:50 PM
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2. They never targeted people.
Yes, Hillary was stretching the truth and spinning again.
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:04 AM
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10. They targeted people. They blew themselves up by accident before they could carry out their plan.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:08 AM
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12. They hit dozens of targets successfully. They damaged property only.
If they were trying to kill people on purpose then they would have before they were caught. They went to great effort to blow up buildings late at night when no one was there.
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:13 AM
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15. They blew themselves up while constucting a bomb to use on a NCO dance at Fort Dix.
You're not doing anyone any favors by sticking up for these terrorist assholes. And if bombing private property is okay wirth you because no one gets hurt, the fuck you, too.
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:25 AM
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18. cant imagine students anywhere attempting this today.
a lot of passion there.
a very different time.
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:28 AM
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19. No Oklahoma City. No WTC. Terrorism is terrorism.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:42 AM
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23. Do you think of yourself as a terrorist?
Just wondering what your definition is. I mean, you probably are an American.
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:44 AM
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24. Ain't playin' the strawman game.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:46 AM
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25. Maybe you want to change your post.
Terrorism is terrorism, except...
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:48 AM
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26. Nope. It's fine.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:38 AM
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21. My, how literate.
Anyhow, since you also need a history lesson:

1) The first Weather Underground action meant to target people was the plan to bomb Fort Dix.

2) After the Greenwich explosion, Weather Underground decided that targeting people was wrong, and never attempted to target people again.
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:40 AM
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22. Oh. Okay. My mistake. They're all good guys then.
Maybe YOU need a common sense lesson.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:48 AM
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27. Maybe you need to learn how to read as well as write.
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:55 AM
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28. Maybe you need a lesson in logic.
Post #2 - They never targeted people.
YOUR Post #21 - Subsection 1)- The first Weather Underground action meant to target people was the plan to bomb Fort Dix.

You made my point for me.

YOUR Post #21 - Subsection 2)-After the Greenwich explosion, Weather Underground decided that targeting people was wrong, and never attempted to target people again.

Common Sense Lesson - Blowing oneself up is bad. Let's not do it.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:12 AM
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30. And saying "they targeted people" is only telling half the story.
I presented the other half.

And if you knew the history of the Weather Underground, you would know why the "Common Sense Lesson" you just posted is wildly incorrect.
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:37 PM
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32. Oh. Okay. My mistake. They didn't JUST target people. They're all good guys then.
:crazy:
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:57 PM
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3. Was it published on the west coast? What time? Still could be AFTER
the attacks.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:00 AM
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7. you submit articles to be published or sit for interviews to be published
well before the date of publication. Usually well before the date of publication.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:32 AM
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20. "Published: September 11, 2001". It was on the streets that morning.
Nice try.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:57 PM
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4. Any time I see or hear George Stephanapulous on whatever media, I will change channels or
turn it off.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:00 AM
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8. They're blaming Obama for it - and he was only 8 years old when that happened.
It's ridiculous.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:01 AM
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9. Interesting that she said "Bombs"
Freudian Slip maybe? :yoiks:
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:08 AM
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14. omg, did she?
I missed most of the debate
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:59 PM
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6. K and R
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:07 AM
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11. so that makes snuffy and hillary BOTH dirty liars.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:08 AM
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13. Since when have facts or truth ever stopped the Clintons? Rec'd & book-marked
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 12:09 AM by Catherina
I didn't know this but it's just another of her million dirty lies. Thanks
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:16 AM
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16. Steph should be fired for this shit. Seriously WTF is he thinking, taking orders from Hannity?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:16 AM
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17. I wonder why they didn't mention this..
ABC News
Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties
Clinton, Obama Spar on Ties to Radicals
By JUSTIN ROOD

Feb. 22, 2008—

The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.

"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001. (Obama's ties to the radical group first surfaced last week in a Bloomberg News article.)

In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from Politico.com reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another former member of the radical group.

Opting to leave any attacks on the issue to the GOP may be wise, as attacks from Clinton could backfire. In his final day in office, President Clinton pardoned another one-time member of the Weather Underground, Susan L. Rosenberg, after she had served 16 years in prison on federal charges.

Rosenberg had been arrested in 1984 while unloading 740 pounds of dynamite, a submachine gun and other weapons from the back of a car.

Rosenberg admitted the materials were to supply others for politically-motivated attacks. Authorities had been searching for Rosenberg since 1981, for what they believed was her role in the robbery of a Brinks truck in Rockland County, N.Y. The attack, for which Rosenberg was thought to have aided with surveillance and getaway driving, left two police officers and a guard dead.

Rosenberg has denied playing a role in the Brinks heist. In arguing for a pardon in 2001, she noted that she had been a model prisoner.

And in 1999, President Clinton also pardoned 16 violent Puerto Rican nationalists responsible for more than 100 bombings of U.S. political and military installations, after they promised to renounce violence. The attacks reportedly killed six people and wounded dozens more. In justifying the pardons, President Clinton noted none of the men had been convicted of crimes that resulted in death or injuries.

Copyright © 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4330128
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:57 AM
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29. And that makes it ok?
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:44 AM
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31. NY Times confirms it was published before attacks
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 01:45 AM by RamboLiberal
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Mr. Stephanopoulos and Mrs. Clinton also referred to statements by Mr. Ayers in an article in The New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001, that Mrs. Clinton said were “deeply hurtful to people in New York.”

“I don’t regret setting bombs,” Mr. Ayers said then. “I feel we didn’t do enough.”

Mr. Ayers did not make the remarks after the attacks on the World Trade Center that day. The interview had been conducted earlier, in connection with a memoir that he had published, “Fugitive Days,” and he was referring to his experience in the Weather Underground.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/us/politics/17truth.html

Bad timing it being published on 9-11, but not a comment on 9-11.
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