Tonight shows why Obama should not be the nominee.

[2rth2pwr]

When he needed to Obama didn't step up. He was wobbled early on and never was able to recover. The questions that came up

were not a surprise, these were things that Obama and his campaign should have been prepared for.

Hillary got some tough questions, the Sniper-gate question from a citizen for example, she owned up to her mistake and apologized and asked for forgiveness

with grace and dignity.

Obama did not come prepared, he must have been reading DU the last couple of days. His supporters here keep saying that

these issues are so over. If Obama does not strongly and forcefully distance himself from the Pastor issue, the Ayers issue and the Rezko issue,

and continues this wishy-washy balancing act he will never stop hearing about it.

The patriotism issue is a killer and needs to be addressed or we will be buried in the general. The elitism issue is a killer and needs to be

addressed or we will be looking at McGovern all over again.

Whatever the supporters on this board think, these talking points are not going away. If he can't handle this heat before he even gets to the big show,

we may be looking at a long 8 years of McCain.

Hillary is the answer; look at her demeanor, at her energy; her mastery of the issues, all coming even though she has faced some of the toughest

3 months a candidate could imagine. She never gives up, and she always holds her head high.

Hillary 2008.

[anonymous171]

1. No.

[SoCalDem]

5. and

(not you.. the theory in the OP )

[JeffR]

2. Sorry.

I don't support your candidate.

[Political Heretic]

3. aaaaaaaand....

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[ElsewheresDaughter]

12. What, did Obama's adoring fans think they could hermetically seal him and ....

protect him from the meanies out there, then simply deliver him to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue because "he's the one?" Good grief.

If Obama would have been put through his paces last fall, he might have been past this by now. If his own campaign had faced up to his associations long ago, head on, he wouldn't be dealing with this now.

I'd blame Gibson and Stephanopoulos, but it's not their fault that someone, anyone finally asked questions that have been out there for months and months. It's not tabloid to ask about Ayers any more than it was tabloid to question Bill Clinton about his past. Hillary's been asked about everything more than once, as they reload to ask it all over again.

[TML]

14. Big difference here

What evidence is there connecting them? There is nothing but innuendo.

[Cali_Democrat]

17. You have got to be kidding me

As if Obama had never been asked about Wright, Ayers, or his "lack of patriotism" before tonight. This is already out there. It's just rehashed garbage plain and simple.

[PBS Poll-435]

19. If so, you would think he would have been better prepared...nt

[MonkeyFunk]

61. Only in Obamaland

is Wright, Rezko and Ayers "old and rehashed" but Monica Lewinsky is fresh news.

[liberal1973]

31. It's these two ABC idiots fault

Why didn't they just put handboy and mcbush there to ask the right wing talking points.

[Zachstar]

40. She has been asked all right. Check out the results

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x119397

[suziedemocrat]

63. Yeah - it's like the is the 14th reincarnation of George Washington or something.

And no one should even question him.

[JoFerret]

69. Victim of his own hype

And we all will be if this doesn't get sorted in the primary process. last night was a mere foretaste of things to come.
Maybe he should hire Hillary to train and prepare him.
if he does get the nomination I do believe that she will be his strongest helpmate and ally. IF he can accept the help and recognize he needs it.

[GarbagemanLB]

6. Obama had a question on Wright, Lapels, Ayers, and 'bitter'. Where as the questioning on Colombia?

Penn?

[BlueCaliDem]

21. Exactly! It's sad that Clinton supporters don't see how they're being

manipulated to support the weakest Dem candidate against McSame.

The Clintons, the American propaganda machine, and so-called "moderators" and army of talking heads all want Clinton to win because they know McSame will - borrowing from Paul Begala's Texan phrase - "beat her like a redheaded stepchild".

Nothing and no one can unite the frothing, hateful, racist Repukes and right-wing fascists better than the word "Clinton".

Absolutely NOTHING.

That's why they all conspire in the brainwashing of Americans using the Clinton fans loyalty to ensure another Repuke in the WH.

It's sad that seemingly intelligent Dems are falling for it...

[rodeodance]

43. I wonder why Obama was not prepared for them? Btw-Hillary handled the

Bosnia question well.

[Zachstar]

47. I wonder why Clinton was not prepared for this Campaign.

Flip Flopping all over the place

Like a few here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x119397

[rodeodance]

51. she apoligized. I give her credit for that. Beating a dead horse is not attractive.

[Zachstar]

53. Then this video ought to not work very well at all then, Eh?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x119397

[rodeodance]

55. oh, the pathetic sour grapes BHO fans will gravitate to it like sheepie.

[shayes51]

49. Not prepared because he believes his own press:

The press that has given him a pass until now.

[Zachstar]

54. A pass? Um no Clinton deserved every ounce of bad PR she got.

Just look at this!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x119397

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[PseudoIntellect]

8. Nope.

Clinton attacks Obama at every opportunity. Obama is the one with grace, class, and integrity. You seem glad that Hillary can use right-wing tactics against her party and attack on non-issues. If Obama remains the classy one in the debates against the GOP, don't you think he will exhaust these old issues. Don't you think people will get tired of hearing them and ready to hear about things that actually affect them?

[mcctatas]

9. Never giving up and deluded pursuit of a failed policy...

or in this case candidacy...hmmmm...sounds familiar

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

10. tonight shows why the MSM has jumped the shark

The MSM is part of what got us in the mess we are in today.

With consolidation, we have these idiotic talking heads.

I am getting to where I will not bother to turn these stations on period.

Some cable, but mostly You Tube or read internet news where its not
as nonsensical.

[depakid]

13. "I am getting to where I will not bother to turn these stations on period."

A wise move....

Tuning in tonight was a mistake, to be sure.

[Cali_Democrat]

11. Hillary is the answer? Look at her demeanor, energy and mastery of issues?

It's hard for me to even look at her at this point. I just cover my eyes or change the channel when she's on. She makes me nauseous. I can't stand to see a Democrat morph into a Republican using Rovian attacks and GOP talking points against a fellow Democrat. I just want her to go the fuck away.

:puke:

[LulaMay]

15. K & R for the truth.

[emilyg]

16. K/R

[igor2008]

18. Obama has no answer to Wright. It will sink him in the GE

[Zachstar]

39. And Clinton has no answer to multiple other things.

So with your thinking McCain is going to win either way.

[rodeodance]

44. Such as? btw--it was Obama praising GHWB and mcain last night.

[Zachstar]

45. Just a tiny few of em check it out!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x119397

[rodeodance]

48. ha ha. She did well with that question. it was obama who was not prepared

[Zachstar]

52. Not prepared for what? The campaign? Kinda hard to say that when he is in the lead!

[rodeodance]

56. He was arrogant enough to believe those issure were behind him. He learned

a hard lesson last night.

[suziedemocrat]

64. That's why the Democrats dropped the ball. Dodd or Biden should have been the nominee.

Neither of the two left are any good. I will be very surprised if he can win the general election with his "patriotism" issues. But, let's face it, Hillary has her own issues. McCain is no good either. The Republicans dropped the ball too, they should probably have picked Romney.

If you listened to Dodd in the debates (when he was allowed to speak) he sounded like a true statesman. Biden did too. The MSM steered us towards their picks, and now look what we're left with.

[emilyg]

67. A repug member of my family is betting on it.

[WA98070]

20. What debate were you watching?

[igor2008]

25. Obama will be Kerry 04 redux. 527s will sink him

[Zachstar]

38. And this along with everything else will sink Clinton far before Obama

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x119397

[quakerboy]

22. According to you, every night shows that

And Hillary did not "own up" nor apologize. She asserted that she had already done so, without ever admitting that she had lied, and then tried to pull a Jedi style "this is not the lie your looking for"

[2rth2pwr]

27. And she looked great doing it, Obama looked like he was a deer in the headlights.

[quakerboy]

28. I like deer, myself.

Its the naturist, love the earth, democrat part of me. Sorry you are missing that part. I find it greatly helpful in being a better human.

I don't like people who cannot admit a mistake, but have to play semantic games to avoid it or pretend they already dealt with it. Lying about apologizing about lying doesn't solve the lie.

[2rth2pwr]

30. "Obviously, if I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that,"

Like that? Is that what you mean about the non-apology apology?

"Obviously, if I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that," Obama said in an interview with the Winston-Salem Journal, according to a transcript provided by his campaign. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/12/obama-if-i-offended-i-regret/

[quakerboy]

65. That was not my favorite

Obama has made several statements that I really did not care for the wording of.

[smalll]

23. K&R.

Very well put. I can imagine myself saying the same things in an OP (if you hadn't said them first) but it would have taken me a LOT more words to say it!
:applause:

[casus belli]

24. Glad to see you watched with an open mind.

:sarcasm:

[2rth2pwr]

26. I was ready for Hillary to have hard night. Obama with all of his charisma is hard to match.

[Zachstar]

36. It is really hard to match overall when you got Clinton with this crap going on

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x119397

Clinton and Obama both had a hard night. The debate was bullshit all around.

Don't forget about what Clinton admitted during the debates.

[rodeodance]

46. yeah--this board almost crashed --obama fans blaming abc--real open-

minded of them.

sarcasm

[krkaufman]

29. If Hillary's the answer ....

.... then you're asking the wrong question.

[DemVet]

32. Recommended.

[Zachstar]

33. Hillary 2008? What about this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x119397

You think Clinton is going to win in 2008 after people see this and alot more from the research banks of the McCain campaign?

[bowens43]

34. Were you watching TV in bizzrro world?

You saw a different debate then I did.

Tongith hillary showed us that not only is she unfit to be president, shes unfit to be a senator.

[RBInMaine]

35. Baloney! Obama was typically poised, articulate, cool, and collected in the face of SHAMEFUL media

bias and utter nonsense !

[RBInMaine]

37. I will give Hillary this much credit. At least she admitted she LIED about "Snipergate."

[indimuse]

41. Obama was an Epic Failure !

Hillary proved her readiness.

[Zachstar]

42. This is Epic Failure

Check it out!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x119397

[rodeodance]

59. YOU HAVE BEEN SPAMING ALL THE THREADS WITH THAT.

[DemExpat]

50. I agree!

DemEx

[Rockholm]

57. Not ready for prime time.

[Vinca]

58. All Hillary evoked in anyone I've talked to is 4 letter words.

The McCain campaign must have paid her a bundle.

[shadowknows69]

60. He was frustrated, he wants to talk about issues

Everything that ABC brought up last night has been dealt with by Obama. It was a RW hit attempt pure and simple. They know who the nominee will be.

[Mezzo]

62. In Barack Obama's defense...

he looked like he was sick or something. His eyes looked tired. I also didn't think he did that bad. I just think she did better.

[ksoze]

66. This was kid gloves comparted to the GE bouts

and his attitude when questioned is not a good quality. The media that has fawned over him has allowed him to escape what he will see in the GE. If he performs like that to the GE audience who does not get aroused watching olberman whine every night, we are in trouble.

[mrJJ]

68. Maybe your right

Maybe your right.. here are the higlights for the GE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U&eurl

"A mind & vote is a terrible thing to waste"... think before you jump

[TankLV]

70. again - you NAILED it!!!

good going...

[wowimthere]

71. Last night showed me more why Obama should be the nominee... You guys are afraid of the Right Wing?

Wow! Obama isn't afraid of the Right wing. He doesn't want to tear another Democrat down. You guys who think Hillary is the answer given she can't win it the natural way are as out of touch as the moderators on Right Wing ABC. I could feel the restraint in him. It was as though to take a real swipe at her was as uncomfortable as hitting a woman. This is where his humility is. He sticks to the issues and only pushes her away.

He only pushed back on the pardons issue to stop her from going any further and you saw what happened. She stopped. She has been the most petty campaigner I've ever seen but Obama is presidential. Filibustering on answers, attacking, having moderators shill for you isn't winning the debate. She lost! All of that and we are now blaming the moderators for unfair questions.

All I hear about is the right wing. I'm not afraid of them. Why are you? They have been wrong for the last 7 years. An ant can beat them.

[dpbrown]

72. McGovern? Try Mondale

Can you say landslide? In the other direction?