If OBAMA can't "close the deal," what does it say about HILLARY who can't beat HIM?

[jenmito]

If he's such a "loser," he can't "close the deal," what does it say about the early "presumptive nominee" who started with SUCH a big advantage-who can't beat the guy who can't "close the deal"? :shrug:

[Seen the light]

1. That they both have huge weaknesses n/t

[jenmito]

6. I think that's only the APPEARANCE since he can't attack her for fear of looking like a bully.

But if he was the nominee, he'd do GREAT at fairly attacking McCain.

[Kittycat]

32. Or won't because he realizes Attacking a fellow Dem with RW tactics

only causes more harm to the party, and justifies what the RW does.

[jenmito]

49. Yes. He said as much. And today in a town hall, an 82 year-old woman stood up and told Obama he

shouldn't attack Hillary-that he's above that. She ended up going to him and giving him a kiss. He asked if she'd like to be his running mate. She was on FIRE with her comments! (She said how he won her over. Her real question was about the environment.)

[Kittycat]

55. Aweseom! I would have loved to have seen that.

Hopefully someone will post it on the Internets tonight.

[jenmito]

58. Maybe it will be on his own website later.

:hi:

[Galway girl]

62. He knows he needs her supporters when its over

She on the other hand knows she won't as she knows she has lost and is only trying to destroy his chances

[SIMPLYB1980]

2. That we need them together.

[jenmito]

3. Good try, but Obama should be on the top of the ticket. (But she should NOT be on his ticket.)

[SIMPLYB1980]

13. Unlike you I'm a real Democrat. I may not like Obama, but I will vote for him over McSame.

[jenmito]

17. You're accusing ME of not being a real Dem. because I want the person winning to be on the top of

the ticket? And because I think an Obama/Hillary ticket would NOT beat the Repubs.?

[SIMPLYB1980]

38. I don't care what you think, and I don't expect you to care what I think, but

anyone not willing to vote for either of these candidates in the GE is not a Democrat EMO. I also think a Hillary/Obama or a Obama/Hillary ticket would be unstoppable, either of them alone will be in for a hard fight.

[jenmito]

41. Please quote where I said I'm not willing to vote for her.

[Exilednight]

67. Hillary needs Obama, but it doesn't work the other way around. n/t

[Deep13]

4. I'm not explaining this again.

Besides, it is possible that neither will win in the autumn.

[jenmito]

7. You don't have to post on this thread.

:shrug:

[Deep13]

37. You asked.

I'm sure you would like it if I just shut up and stopped pointing out what damaged goods you are carrying, but that's not going to happen.

[jenmito]

42. I didn't ask you personally. If your attitude is you're not going to explain it again, nobody's

forcing you to.

[Deep13]

46. I think you (pl.) keep saying the same goddamn things to wear out resistence.

Repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it. Put it in question form and avoid being called a liar. It is classic "Rove" as it was used in 1988, 2000, 02, 04 and now by your campaign.

[jenmito]

48. What lie am I repeating?

[MNDemNY]

5. Exactly why we need a deadlocked convention.

Re-Elect Al Gore.

[jenmito]

11. No way. Obama has run the best campaign in history re: organization, getting new voters, etc.

He's EARNED the right to be the nominee.

[MNDemNY]

15. Not if it is at the expense of a GE loss.

[jenmito]

19. It wouldn't be. He'll kick McCain's butt. He won't go easy on him since he's not a fellow Dem.

[MNDemNY]

27. In between his defense of "God damn America"?

[jenmito]

34. Obama doesn't have to defend that.

[MNDemNY]

36. Unfortunately, he does.

Maybe not to you or I, but we are far from the typical GE voter.

[jenmito]

43. He denounced and rejected the remark. Case closed.

[MNDemNY]

45. So, we can expect to hear no more of the Rev. Wright?

:shrug:

[jenmito]

47. It's old news ALREADY. People can try to use it all they want. It won't have the desired effect.

[MNDemNY]

51. I see by the lack of coverage, that it is , indeed, old news.

[jenmito]

53. It is. They're now on to different comments.

[MNDemNY]

54. Oh, that's much better.

[jenmito]

57. It really is. His newest comments are nowhere NEAR his earlier out-of-context ones.

[MNDemNY]

59. I'm sure the electorate can all get behind the contention that the gov. created HIV ..

kill black people. And it all get prefaced by his earlier comments.Yup...old news.

[jenmito]

60. Again. Obama rejected and denounced those remarks. Old news. Wright's not running for president.

[MNDemNY]

61. sorry, that is where your logic fails.

Obama would have to burn Wright in effigy to have any chance of disassociation.

[jenmito]

64. He gets asked about it and he REPEATS that he disagrees with those remarks. He gave the major

speech, denounced and rejected his remarks, and that's that.

[roguevalley]

66. Obama never defended that. if you want to argue, use the facts.

[ShortnFiery]

12. Bullshit! The Clintons had their 8 years, it's time to stop the DYNASTIES. No ruling families.

The country is growing SICK of their seemingly endless scandals that are NOT ALL generated by the M$M. It's time for BOTH Clintons to fade off of the National Stage before Dean has to get out "the hook." :shrug:

[dailykoff]

8. It says she's a loser.

She's had sixteen freakin' years to rig the entire election system in her favor, and she did, and she still came in third in the first fair fight.

I frankly doubt if she's actually "won" a single state besides Arkansas, and it wouldn't surprise me if she lost that state too.

[jenmito]

14. I agree. Too bad the media's portraying this as an "extremely close race."

Not to mention portraying her as a REAL fighter while not reporting on her/her husband's secretive donations to Clinton's library among other things.

[dailykoff]

20. She thought she had it in the bag.

The along came the Iowa caucus and all her dirty tricks went to hell. They keep patching her back together and she keeps getting blown apart.

[jenmito]

23. Exactly. And all of her contradictory statements are on the record. Obama's the true

fighter, but like he said, if you're really a fighter, you don't go around talking about it all the time.

[helderheid]

9. Wasn't it supposed to be over on Super Tuesday?

:shrug:

[jenmito]

21. Yes. But she failed. OBAMA'S the fighter who beat the odds to get where he is today despite all

Hillary's advantages going in.

[LSparkle]

10. She had EVERY advantage ... and has been blowing it

MORE money. A legendary POLITICAL MACHINE. An air of INEVITABIILITY.
And then she took the base for granted and hubris brought her campaign
down.

All the more amazing that Obama -- who started as NOBODY -- has been
able to run a far superior campaign (and to be ahead, even after "the
kitchen sink" treatment).

[jenmito]

25. Exactly. But the media NEVER points ANY of that out!

:shrug:

[elocs]

16. You mean "Hillary", that juggernaut who was supposed to steamroll over everyone

on her way to her coronation, umm, err, nomination? Wasn't she the one who once had millions of dollars more than anyone? She should have crushed an upstart like Obama. Pesky little twit. Doesn't he know it was her turn? How dare he. Obviously, since he is ahead in delegates and everything he should concede now.

[jenmito]

26. Yes, which is why the media is doing its best to "make it happen."

Hopefully, as before, Obama will overcome all the BS.

[otohara]

40. Wright = Obama Bigger Than Ever

it's unfucking believable what's going on.

Hate the media more than ever, they are perpetuating racism and more division.

[jenmito]

44. Exactly.

Sad but true.

[ProSense]

18. Hillary: I can't beat Obama, but I damn sure can beat McCain. n/t

[SeaLyons]

22. She sure beat him in PA and OH

and those two states are good indicators she will beat McCain. They are also good indicators to the SD's.

[jenmito]

24. Not by NEARLY as much as she should've and NEEDED to. Tell the SDs who

endorsed Obama since then! :hi:

[4_Legs_Good]

30. In order for Hillary to seal the deal, she only needed to beat him in one state:

IOWA

I think everything woulda been a done deal by now had she pulled that off.

She couldn't seal the deal either.

And either candidate will destroy McCain in November. What we're seeing now with all these Clinton v. McCain / Obama v. McCain polls is an illusion created by the fact that it's seen as a 3 way race right now. When it gets down to a two person deal, McCain will quickly go down in flames.

David

[democrattotheend]

56. And he beat her in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Colorado, Virginia, Washington, and Missouri

Other swing states that we will need or would be a big help in the general.

[4_Legs_Good]

28. To be honest, it's because they're both such good candidates!

I hate to sound so upbeat and counter to what the MSM is telling us, but Obama can't close the deal, and Hillary can't open the deal becuase they're both good, really good, and both have ultra loyal fans.

McCain, you must recall, was selected as the Republican party nominee because he was the LEAST BAD of the lot, and he was the "most electable". These are the qualifications DEMOCRATS usually use in determining their nominee.

This year we went the other way: given a field of good candidtes, we've whittled it down to the best two. Not the most electable (Edwards or Biden) or the least bad. These are two great candidates and we can't decide which we like more.

Personally, if not for the mud slung by Clinton in the campaign, I'd certainly be very glad to have her as our Nominee. Now I'm wouldn't be so happy, but I'd still accept it, likely.

Luckily I don't have to worry about Clinton getting the nomination because it's, quite simply, not going to happen.

David

[damonm]

29. Damn straight - too bad this isn't an OP.

Beacuse I'd K&R the hell out of it!

[4_Legs_Good]

33. =) Thanks!

[Toucano]

31. It says that they're both very well liked.

I don't understand how each side can completely ignore the genuine enthusiasm of the other candidate's supporters.

A lot of people strongly support and really are enthusiastic for Obama. They are not delusional.

A lot of people strongly support and really are enthusiastic for Clinton. They are not delusional.

There are substantial differences and many similarities between the two, but on the whole, they're both great candidates. Actually I have to give Obama a bit of an edge as a "candidate". His campaign has been better run.

I simply do not understand why there is so much rancor. :shrug: I don't see this rancor at all in the flesh world, only online.

[azmouse]

35. The HRC talking point of the day is:

"We know HRC is the only one who can beat McBush but since you obviously WANT to lose go ahead and nom Obama."

Talk about some sour grapes. At least they're finally admitting, albeit in a roundabout way, that HRC can't win and in fact, has not won, the nom.

[jenmito]

39. Yeah, I've seen those threads. If it was true, then, why would Rush still be

telling his "flock" to vote for Hillary instead of for the "weaker" Dem.?

[Hepburn]

50. Woooooooot!

J&R, Jen! That kind of nails the whole deal right down! :hi:

[jenmito]

52. Thanks, Hepburn!

:hi:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

63. Good point

[jenmito]

65. Thanks, bambino!

:hi:

[Hepburn]

68. Kick