Is Hillary a fighter or is she a poor loser?

[B Calm]

Poll question: Is Hillary a fighter or is she a poor loser?

[me b zola]

1. I'm responsible for one on those votes

But I won't tell how I voted. :D

[mmonk]

2. She's a fighter but I think poor loser

comes in ahead of that.

[Stop Cornyn]

3. Can't we just agree she's a poor fighter and more on?

[B Calm]

5. A real Rocky Balboa, not!

[Arrowhead2k1]

4. Poor loser is a huge understatement.

I'd say an embarrassingly ungracious self-serving ass of a loser describes what we are seeing a little better.

[SujiwanKenobee]

6. I think it's a reaction...

For many people, the greatest disappointment came when their candidate appeared to "stop fighting" when supporters wanted them to go on. I'm thinking of Gore and then Kerry folding the cards. Perhaps hers is an over-reaction during a primary instead of the main race-- and an over-compensation (female proving she's tough?) Plus she really really wants this, it seems. Ambitious lady.

[LizW]

7. Keep the hate alive!

We don't need no steenking reconciliation!

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[SteelPenguin]

8. I think 'other'. She's a poor sport.

I'm not sure what the word is but it's something else. She's a fighter yes, but she's not yet a sore loser, as she hasn't technically lost yet. It's like in a game of chess. There's honor in recognizing when you're defeated, when the only hope of you winning relies on your opponents misteps. Every move comes closer to inevitability.

Checkmate in four.

Nothing she can do, nothing on the board remaining can save her, yet she keeps moving her pieces around.

Checkmate in three.

Chess players will often recognize their imminent loss, and while they might be big fighters, they can recognize that their defeat is imminent and there is no way around it, and then they concede.

Checkmate in two.

What she's not doing is recognizing that while the game isn't actually over, it really is. Holding out for her opponent to make some collosal mistake.

Checkmate in one.

She's not a poor loser because she hasn't lost yet. A poor loser would be her at the convention still speaking ill of Obama. What she's doing is being a poor sport. The game is over. She's lost. She's delaying the inevitable and wasting everyone's time.

Checkmate.

[grytpype]

10. We're not saying she's a quitter, we're saying she's the LOSER of this contest!

LOSER as in

not enough delegates

not enough votes

as in LOSER.

The person who doesn't get enough delegates LOSES.

[skipos]

11. Whatever is in her own best interest

everyone and everything else be damned.

[Bright Eyes]

12. She reminds me of Nader somewhat.

Running when everyone is yelling at you to stop making things worse.

[BenDavid]

13. Silly poll. WHY? because she has not lost anything, nor obama won

anything.

[B Calm]

14. Did you hear Obama just picked up another super delegate?

[filmdog]

15. Hillary: Brave Fighter [i] or[/i] Election Spoiler ?

If there's one animal I don't understand it's the voter who "votes for the candidate, not the party". That voter ignores the fact that parties really do stand for certain principles. Sure, there are pro-choice Republicans and coat-hanger Democrats, but barring such clear departures from party platforms, a candidate who becomes an office-holder behaves in a pretty predictable way. That's why spin artists concoct oxymorons like "Compassionate Conservative" ;they're telling the voter to ignore what she knows about a candidate's party.

So, for people who want a progressive program of legislation, court decisions, and administration of government agencies it's clear that a Democratic president is preferable to a pachyderm. I'm not very happy with Senator Clinton right now, but I can't imagine what she could do that would convince me to vote for Senator McGOP, if the election choices boil down to the two of them. In other words, I consider the "second best" Democrat to be much preferred to even the "Best" Republican.

What I find most troubling about Mrs. Clinton is that she does not seem to support what I see as the fundamental truth of the present political system in this country. Instead, she has taken the position that Senator Obama is so poor a candidate that it doesn't make a whole lot of difference who Democrats vote for in November if she isn't heading up the Democratic ticket. While at times she states explicitly that both she and Obama are preferable to McCain, she says a lot of other things that implicitly urge people to think "if not Hillary, then what the hell's the difference who we vote for."

It's a winner-take-all, scorched-earth, burn the bridges behind us strategy. And it's a loser. A very dangerous, destructive, campaign aimed at convincing the more suggestible among us that only SHE can lead us to the promised land. The other Democrat, she says, is a pretender, a false messiah who will lead us into the Red Sea, and lacking her magical gifts get us all drowned.

There's a great old adage about "the PERFECT" being "the enemy of The GOOD". I believe that with the exception of Mike Gravel, who isn't actually a Democrat at all, every contender who started the current race under the Democratic umbrella would make a "good" choice for President, preferable to ANY of the strange fruit that sat in the Republican basket.

Putting a Democrat in office should have been a very easy business this time around. She has made it tougher. That's very bad. It puts her at the bottom of the pile of (still-viable and once-hopeful)Democratic candidates...still leagues ahead of ANY Republican, mind you...

[rndmprsn]

16. they do not know how to lose...

these are the clintons we are talking about here...never lost that is until they ran smack into a movement for change that had already passed them by.

[goodhue]

17. probably both

[JackORoses]

18. Hillary is the punk on the Little League Team who spits in their hand before shaking 'Good Game'

[Liberal Veteran]

19. Hillary is very much a fighter

Sadly, she only fights for her personal gain and will mow down ANYONE who gets in the way, including her own party.