Hillary's "White" Voters?

[kentuck]

Hillary is making a totally illogical argument, in my opinion, when she says that she has a broader base of appeal amongst Democrats than Obama. If that is true, why is she behind?? More specifically, she says she can win the blue-collar white voters and Obama can't. At least, that is her suggestion.

But if we look at it more logically, we have to include John McCain in the equation. Just because the white blue-collar workers may choose Hillary over Obama does not necessarily mean they will choose McCain over Obama. If that were the case, that they would vote for McCain over Obama, then it is possible - maybe even probable - that they would vote for McCain over Hillary also.

Hillary is suggesting that Obama cannot get the white vote and she can. So that makes her the stronger candidate in the fall. There is the assumption that she will get the black vote and the new voters in November. It is more logical to believe that Obama would stand a better chance at getting those "white" voters than Hillary would stand at getting those black voters and those new voters, after what has transpired and if she were handed the nomination. It strains credibility.

[Oregone]

1. Shes jut upset black people are voting for him (nd trying to make a case of it)

Well, just as many Republicans mischeviously voted for her in Indiana, and she won by less than 1%. So they probably both got an equal share of the "white working class" voters, more or less.

[jakem]

2. Don't upset her 'base'!

[lumberjack_jeff]

3. The obvious answer to your question...

Hillary is making a totally illogical argument, in my opinion, when she says that she has a broader base of appeal amongst Democrats than Obama. If that is true, why is she behind??

... is that it's not exclusively Democrats who are choosing our candidate. Many of the crossover voters have no intention of supporting our nominee in the general.

[JimGinPA]

4. And You Have Evidence Of This Of Course?

:eyes:

[lumberjack_jeff]

5. Yes, actually.

[mcctatas]

8. Epic Fail when compared to actual exit polling data from IN...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/07/did-operation-chaos-succeed-in-indiana/

Of course, I am loathe to believe that pussbutt actually had an impact, but don't bring a flyer to an actual data fight....

[lumberjack_jeff]

10. Fine. Here's your data.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225980

In Iowa, 44% of the Republicans and 41% of the independents who voted in the Democratic primary, voted for Obama (in a 6-way race). Both of these groups went for Obama in far greater percentage than did self-described Democrats.

Obama is the frontrunner thanks to non-democrats. Disruptors in early primaries considered Obama their best option.

[mcctatas]

12. That doesn't correlate with the exit polling data from Indy that

explicitly states about 7% of clinton voters will not vote for her in the GE but will vote for McCain (and now Independents are unacceptable supporters? :wtf:)

[lumberjack_jeff]

13. No, all supporters are acceptable supporters.

The problem is when Democrats are alienated from the Democratic party by independents who may or may not support the candidate (or the downticket races) in the general.

Also... the way that disruptors behaved in later primaries (NC and IN) differs from the way they behaved in early primaries. We are where we are largely because disrupting early is a more influential tactic.

[kentuck]

6. It's a giant assumption..

I happen to believe that Obama will capture many disenchanted Republicans in the fall. I don't have any proof of that but that is what I think.

[backscatter712]

7. Hey Hillary! Your dog whistle must be broken...

because I can hear it!!!! You racist sociopath!!!

[kentuck]

9. Also, we would need to add Obamacans to Obama's broad base of appeal...

I just think Hillary is wrong with these comments. I don't think she is a racist - I just think it doesn't make sense.

[tularetom]

11. The "I hate everybody with darker skin than me" crowd

will not vote Democratic in the general election regardless of who the nominee is.

They don't give a rats ass for Hillary.