Would female Democrats rightly take offense if Obama said "Hillary's support among men is weakening

[Stop Cornyn]

again, and hard-working men in swing states who have not completed college are supporting me and not her and this has emerged as a pattern"?

Of course Obama never said that, but if he had said that, it would have seemed creepy to me.

By the same token, it is pretty creepy for me to hear Hillary say "Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me... There's a pattern emerging here."

Please take the time to comment below to tell me whether these statements make you uncomfortable or if you are comfortable with Hillary's statements.

[reflection]

1. Good question. I'm pretty sure

there would be a lot of outrage, and rightfully so.

[Warren Stupidity]

2. Men, bread-winning men, men with real jobs.

Yeah I think that would bring the house down on him.

[Indenturedebtor]

4. Yep but expect crickets n/t

[Umbram]

21. Hrm...now that's a good thought question. (nt)

[barack the house]

3. Note this defines even Obama's white vote as lazy, which is divisive really.

[Stop Cornyn]

5. In all fairness, I am a bit lazy so I didn't personally take offense at that particular insinuation

[Saturday]

6. Barack doesn't have to say anything. He has 92% of Blacks

voting for him. Everyone sees that. Faux outrage because of every little thing that is said by BOTH candidates is silly.

[LisaM]

7. You're right.

The black vote is simply not divided the way the white vote is. If they said, for example, that they thought that Hillary was polling well with the black working class vote, it would be cognitive dissonance. The black vote has been secured by Obama. What he will do with that trust remains to be seen, but I think it's fair to note that it's not a voting group that currently needs to be parsed.

And, every news show I saw Tuesday night DID say how Hillary was doing among male voters.

[Stop Cornyn]

8. Did Obama try to make an issue of Clinton's electability based on gender politics? If so, I'd be

disappointed in him, and Obama would be excoriated here at DU and in the press (and rightly so).

[JackORoses]

23. why don't you just replace all your posts with "yadayadayada"?

It would be so much easier on the rest of us.

[keep_it_real]

9. And I'm sure there are many whites, not racist, who take offense

At the suggestion that Obama can't get the white working class or blue collar vote or that his support is weakening among whites.

[Stop Cornyn]

10. I love how Hillary will poke Obama in the eye and then complain that he winks too much.

[roguevalley]

32. he has improved in every race with the white vote. that is a fallacy

that he can't get them.

[Yanez Houston Jordan]

11. Hillary's emphasis on race lately has become very discomforting.

[BlooInBloo]

20. hahaha! From the Putting It Mildly Department.

[keep_it_real]

27. Seems like she is pandering to race

[seaglass]

12. Why would they if it was true? n/t

[Stop Cornyn]

14. If it was true that Obama's support was stronger among "hard-working men." How do we prove the truth

of an allegation that Obama's male supporters are hard working as compared either to Hillary's lazy male supporters or both candidates not-so-hard-working female supporters. The idea that "hard-working" = men and the contrary negative implication is unproven, and offensive, don't you think?

[seaglass]

16. I would ignore the hard-working part it's a meaningless adjective. n/t

[highplainsdem]

13. No, of course not. Especially if he was referring to a news story

about that demographic. Why would you expect us to overreact?

This sort of thing gets discussed all the time in campaigns, and Obama supporters do seem very sensitive about those exit poll results.

But, as I pointed out already in the topic about how Hillary's remarks were misunderstood, I don't think the trouble Obama is having with working class whites is about race. I think it's about perceived elitism.

And I asked there about whether Obama's support among black voters was initially spread evenly across the economic and educational spectrum. I honestly don't know, haven't seen any figures on that. But what I recall of some news stories I've read, about AA voters who initially favored Clinton and then switched to Obama, makes me think he probably picked up black working-class voters later than other black voters.

[Stop Cornyn]

19. Must have missed the news story that suggested Hillary had a lock on hard working white voters.Link?

[EFerrari]

15. The scars of race oppression and gender oppression in this country

are not interchangeable. They are specific, have their own history and their own wounds.

[helderheid]

17. K&R

[samsingh]

18. i think so

[TexasObserver]

22. Imagine him speaking to a crowd of black men saying "black men, you know how hard it is for us ...."

If Obama had ever done anything close to what Hillary does with gender and race, it would be on TV news 24/7 for weeks. She practically says "I'm a woman, dammit, women! You have to vote for me!" She practically says "if you're working class whites, you're supposed to vote for me!"

[Qutzupalotl]

24. I think she just misspoke.

She was quoting stats that had voters broken down by race. If she had said "white working-class people" initially, it wouldn't have sounded so creepy. But the way she added it in later, it could be taken to mean that only whites are hard-working. I do NOT think that was her intention, so I'm inclined to give her a pass. This time.

[jillan]

25. No.

[NashVegas]

26. I'd Be More Amused / Bemused

Hillary's male support is less than Obama's - by some 20% in some states, IIRC.

Hillary has little to no support among black men, thus we must assume he'd be talking about white men.

As for Hillary's female support, if you said he hasn't obsessed over that, the only person you'd fool is yourself.

[Beacool]

28. No, if it's the reality.

Where did Hillary lie when she said that she has greater support among the white working class. Obama gets 9 out of 10 AA votes. That's also a reality. So, what's the big deal?

[OzarkDem]

29. No, not if its true

No big deal.

:shrug:

[moobu2]

30. no

[Bonobo]

31. It would be classless and inappropriate.

[Redbear]

33. I have no problem with your hypothetical or Sen. Cllinton's statements

Obama will kill McCain on the issues. Its a sad statement about our country that the only real concern is whether the GOP's goons will be able to cause enough racial fears (13% of voters still think the Senator is a Muslim) that white voters will stay away from Obama.

I have faith that the GOP's nasty plans will backfire, but I think its a legitimate point of discussion.

[Arkansas Granny]

34. The polls and the media have broken down each candidates support

by race, gender, age, education, income level, etc. and every combination thereof. It has been almost impossible for anyone to discuss the voting demographics of this contest without mentioning a segment of the voting population that has been discriminated against at one time or another in our society. Considering the historic aspect of the first viable black candidate competing against the first viable woman candidate has, IMO, made many of us more sensitive to statements that would have been ignored or found to be inoffensive in other election cycles.