Just saw Bill Clinton speak here in western SD!!! Nobody does it better. i'm damn glad to have ha

[VotesForWomen]

had 8 years of the first clinton presidency, and i'm casting my vote june 3rd for the next clinton presidency. that's all.

[ShortnFiery]

1. Wow, I know people who live in Rapid City and Sioux Falls who ...

claim that the populace is burned-out from the Clintons. Especially Bubba and his "shaking his right index finger at us" like a petulant father figure. :eyes:

Perhaps my friends in South Dakota are just too FANCY type "City Slickers" since those areas are the most heavily populated? But I think NOT.

The beautiful plains of South Dakota = "Pheasant Country" is for OBAMA! :patriot:

[VotesForWomen]

3. hey, Obama's the preacher-wannabe, and maybe the 16 years of RW propaganda against the clintons the

circulates a little more widely in the red states explains why Obama does so well there. the 'clinton burnout' doesn't seem to be quite as evident in the blue/purple states. and just speaking for myself, when bill clinton walked into that room, 'burnout' was the last emotion i or the rest of the audience was feeling. what i wouldn't give to have him back as president.

[Doityourself]

16. Time to turn the page on the Clintons. I voted for him 2x. But its time to move on from their grip

on the party. You're entitled to vote and root for whomever you wish..good luck..but I'm pretty sure, Bill and Hillary will not be returning to the White House, a lot of people truly are weary of the Clinton name and fame.

[midnight]

2. He left this country in better shape than this next one will.

[VotesForWomen]

4. damn right he did, but people took the job he did for granted, and decided we could afford to elect

a 'cool' guy that you wanted to have a beer with, you know? al gore was so old school; who needed all that boring policy wonk stuff anyway? a macho swagger was so much more important in a president.... well, okay, you get my point...

[AllentownJake]

5. I swear

You guys can't make up your mind....someone was telling me how Prissy Obama is the other day and that was the reason he wasn't voting for him....

[VotesForWomen]

6. it sure wasn't me; point was, the electorate went for style over substance. agree or disagree,

i think that's what's happening in the dem primary.

[AllentownJake]

7. I disagree

I'm so sick of people saying that people who vote for Obama are stupid.

I don't trust Hillary as a manager and everything she's done since January has proven me right. She can have all the ideas in the world

I don't support Hillary because she screwed up the healthcare proposal in 1993 so bad that it has been 13 years before we could have a reasonable conversation about it.

Her campaign has been one of the worst run in the history of politics. A freshman senator with a muslim sounding name is kicking her ass in strategy. She had a 260 delegate lead going into the first primary of big heavy hitter endorsers plus the most money and name recognition.

She refuses to fire or demote people who have been dismal failures till its too late. Mark Penn was around 3 months to long and so was Pattis Solis Doyle. They both should have been demoted after Iowa. Loyalty was valued more over competence....YOur doing a heck of a job Penn.

Lastly, the gas tax. A blatant pander that she knew could go nowhere in congress and would do little to help people. She thought the people of Indiana and NC were stupid. They weren't.

She mismanaged her camapign terribly. That is why she is where she is. People can tell a bad manager from a good one.

[Window]

8. Amen, brother.

:thumbsup:

[AllentownJake]

9. We are stupid

Highly Educated latte sipping African Americans....we get it. :sarcasm:

[Doityourself]

17. Hey you described me to a T...lol whooo hooo go Bama !

[Window]

25. LOL! Got it.

[VotesForWomen]

12. if americans *weren't* stupid, would we be in half the mess we're in now? have you looked around lat

lately, at the news, at what passes for entertainment, etc? frankly, the only thing that would surprise me would be if americans mad a *good* choice for president. what do you think hillary should have done about health care in 1992? asked for less? compromised with corporations and repugs more? maybe she should have, but then you'd be criticising her for that. and the O phenomenon can not be attributed solely to hill's 'bad campaign;' i mean seriously, O beat out *all* the other candidates, most of whom you'll have to agree were more qualified for the job than he was; that suggests to me that there is something going on besides a cold, rational, objective analysis of the candidates.

[AllentownJake]

14. Here we go

Hillary closed the meetings and held a secret policy intiative on the Healthcare reform bill and she did not go to the number one constiuency that she needed to get on board with any type of healthcare reform, doctors. If she would have gotten the doctors on board her healthcare proposal in 1993 we would all have universal healthcare right now. The insurance agencies wouldn't have been able to beat the lobbying of the doctors because people see doctors not insurance companies when they go. The style in which she conducted those meetings was the equivalent to what Cheney did on the energy bill proposal. However, Cheney had the industry leaders ready to endorse whatever shit came out of his mouth. The exact opposite happened when Hillary unvieled her secret plan and all hell broke loose.

Obama supporters are more educated than Clinton supporters according to exit polls. So unless getting a college degree now makes you dumber somehow I don't know where the dumb Obama supporters memo got started.

Lastly there is a certain amount of charisma that is needed to be President of the United States. You need to be able to inspire people to action. Paul Tsongas was a much more qualified individual under your standards than Bill Clinton.

Bush inspired the religous wing of the country into action because he spoke their language and did it publicly. For some reason alot of religous voters have a persecution complex and Bush was their guy. Also the GOP was much more effective on their GOTV efforts than Kerry. They were lightyears ahead of us on the use of technology and databases for donors and getting people to the polls in 2004. One of Obama's biggest achievements is working to close that gap and McCain is more scared of the Obama volunteer and donor database than anything else.

BTW Gore won. The supreme court picked the President in 2000.

[Political Heretic]

11. I'd say the country was in better shape when he left

Some of the things he did had something to do with it. Many things that happened had nothing to do with Bill Clinton.

People who look at the Clinton Presidency have to try not to be bi-polar about it. There were some things about his Presidency that were very good for America. There were other things about his Presidency that were incredibly bad for America. His record should appropriately be remembered as "mixed" by liberals.

[VotesForWomen]

13. definitely, it was a mixed record; which president's isn't? but i'd say on the whole, it was a good

8 years.

[Political Heretic]

15. Yeah, I'm not sure I'd want to quibble about it.. as long as we can comfortably discuss the mistakes

Just so we don't repeat them.

Not to run him down, but just things like the banking bill, TANF, telecom degreg, nafta... we should be thinking about why these things were bad and what their impact was so that we make sure we don't repeat history.

I support Obamas, but his chief economic advisor's are staunch neoliberals in the economic sense of the term. It will require watching and scrutiny.

[Kittycat]

19. He also set this country up for what * did. On every front

From the Economy (NAFTA), to Extraordinary rendition, to blow jobs creating the new moral majority, etc, etc, etc.

[Political Heretic]

10. I don't agree with his politics, or his tactics. But the man is brilliant, and I'd go see Big Dawg

if he came around my town. :)

[KansasVoter]

18. On june 3rd you can vote for the 2016 nominee???

[HousePainter]

20. If you think Bill and Hillary care one fig about you or this country

I have a bridge to sell you.
It's about power and power only and they will say or do anything they think will keep them in power.
Pandering, race-baiting, twisting the math, insulting the "small" states, embracing those NeoCons they think will help them in the short term, using fronts for voter supression robo-calls, talking out of both sides of their mouths(Coulmbia Trade agreement money et al), imagining sniper fire on and on and on.......

Enough is enough
Remember:
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" ( made me proud when he stood up as POTUS and told the people that lie wagging his finger and looking right into the camera)

I need to take a shower now, talking about the Clintons makes me feel dirty.

[kevinbgoode]

22. Has Hillary said ANYTHING yet about the endorsements of

Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter?

[Avalux]

21. So you're voting for Hillary because you want Bill back in office?

A lot of my family in PA did the same thing. They were nostalgic for Bill Clinton so they voted for his wife. If anyone thinks her presidency would be a mirror of his though, they're wrong. Look at how she's run her campaign; it's been a mess and her presidency would be the same. She's had no control over it.

Voting for Hillary Clinton because of what her husband did is not a good reason. We need to move into the future, not cling to the past.

[BlueJac]

23. You are right, I didn't take NAFTA for granted at all.......

It was the very beginning of America losing millions of jobs. The Clintons have failed the American worker!

[Brundle_Fly]

24. don't forget that NAFTA was essentially a stepping stone to the WTO as well.

Nafta dimes on the dollar, WTO pennies on the dimes...

Want to figure out where manufacturing went? Look at the 24 million undeclared dollars Billy made in the last decade.... there is a reason they didn't claim it, there is a reason Mark Penn was hustling for Columbia, and never really fired, Power Corrupts people absolutely, making yourself a millionaire on the backs of the US taxpayer is sickening.

You want change by stepping ass backwards, but you'll end up with more of the same, and the charts show that direction nosediving.