Can you believe a "Black guy with a funny name" BEAT the CLINTONS and their MACHINE?

[jenmito]

It's hard to even wrap my mind around it sometimes so I can just imagine how shocked the Clintons and her supporters are. They thought they had this thing won for sure! Remember this?:

"So from my perspective, you get up every day and you get out there and you make your case and you reach as many people as possible. That's what I intend to do, so I'm in it for the long run. It's not a very long run. It'll be over by February 5th."

Or this?:

COURIC TO CLINTON: If it's not you, how disappointed will you be?

HILLARY CLINTON: Well, it will be me.

Now that Obama is the all-but-certain nominee, Hillary's blaming sexism and unfair treatment when she has no-one to blame but herself. Obama ran an outstanding campaign and will be an outstanding president.

[BlooInBloo]

1. I can believe THAT black guy with a funny name did.

EDIT: It's not obvious to me that Bill would've even been able to beat him.

[jenmito]

4. So do I...NOW. But I bought into Hillary's inevitability for a long time. I'm so impressed with

Obama and the WAY he went about toppling the giant.

[BlooInBloo]

7. Yup. I wish we could do it over so I could support him from the start...

(no insult to Edwards.)

[jenmito]

12. Well, I supported Wes Clark 'til he decided not to run. Obama was my choice after that but I didn't

think he'd be able to beat the Clinton machine although I hoped he would.

[EFerrari]

30. Bingo!

:toast:

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[grantcart]

3. actually they beat themselves he just gave them the ammunition

[FARAFIELD]

5. Hill and Bill will just have to be happy with beating themselves

Sorry couldnt resist

[jenmito]

8. Did HE give them the ammunition or did they buy it themselves then shoot themselves in the foot?

[americanstranger]

14. And that's how he'll beat McCain, too.

McCain will fall harder for it than Clinton did.

- as

[grantcart]

23. No actually I think he is going to register 20 million people who have

been sitting out elections and simply put McCain out of his misery. Your are correct though McCain will add some entertainment.

[ScreamingMeemie]

6. I say this in kindness, and as one who is not real thrilled with either

Dem candidate... why bait? Why? Really Why? Are you all just really that bored? Or vindictive? I hope you find time to enjoy your weekend.

[jenmito]

18. I'm not baiting. I'm expressing pride in my candidate and showing how far he came.

[ScreamingMeemie]

19. If you hadn't brought up "supporters", I would believe you.

As your post stands, it's bait. Again...I don't really like your candidate, or their candidate and have decided to focus on local election. Maybe a break and enjoy Memorial Day...and remember somebody...instead of doing this, and then labeling it something that it truly isn't. Peace.

I just want this board to calm down...and/or go away. :hi:


On edit: I quote you: " I can just imagine how shocked the Clintons and her supporters are. They thought they had this thing won for sure!" Surely doesn't so much like "pride" as it does "bait".

[jenmito]

22. I don't care whether you believe me or not. Calling Hillary supporters "supporters"

is the respectable thing to do. If I had called them "Hillaryites" or "Hillbots" like some do, I'd see your point. But I didn't. Please don't tell me what I should do. I am doing what I love to do. :hi:

[ScreamingMeemie]

26. The only reason "hillbot" wasn't used in my opinion, is because

it isn't allowed anymore. If you post pride in your candidate...good on you... If you love doing this, well (IMO) that's just sad and not something I would want to be proud of.

[jenmito]

37. I've NEVER used any term besides "supporter." Do a search if you don't believe me. And what I

think is just sad is that You apparently DON'T love doing this yet you're here! Sorry-I hope things get better for you! :hi:

[ScreamingMeemie]

44. I am here because I am a democrat. Allowed to be here.

This forum is out of control with baiting and ridiculous childish behavior. Things are quite a bit better for me in that I don't feel the need to bait the supporters of a candidate I don't particularly care for. Please reread your words and then be honest with yourself. If you're not willing to do that, then I guess there is really no hope in trying to reason with that which is, by its very nature unreasonable.

I am off to sit in the sun and remember for awhile. I suggest you try it. :hi:

[jenmito]

47. Again-I suggest you stop "suggesting" what I should do. If you don't feel being here

is something you should be doing this weekend nobody's stopping you from leaving. I WANT to be here. Go away. :hi:

[ScreamingMeemie]

68. Correction, you wish to bait.

:hi:

I've got some hamburgers half done on the grill and you are welcome to one...just leave the anger and baiting behind. This weekend is for remembering either those we have loved and lost...or those lost in war...whomever you wish to remember... not for hiding under the guise of "pride". If you had gone back and removed the "supporters" comment, you'd have me on your side.


here is a thread which truly exhibits pride for the candidate...instead of hatred for the 'supporters'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6122073

[jenmito]

69. Guess what-I don't care what you THINK my post means...

And I couldn't care less whether or not I have you on my side. I already made and ate a hamburger today. Nice and juicy. Stop trying to bait ME. It's not working.

[ScreamingMeemie]

71. You missed a great hamburger.

And you try to have a nice weekend. Try real hard. :hi:

[jenmito]

72. I guess you can't read.

Try to do something that makes you happy today like I am! :hi:

[WannaBeGrumpy]

89. Nope she can't read...that's why she can type responses that make sense...

unlike yours...you sound like a four year old...with the "guess what? I don't care"'s and such
grow up
sheesh
and yes you are baiting

[Catherina]

75. Oh God. How tiresome. Off to ignore with you. n/t

[ScreamingMeemie]

76. Bye...

And peace, and less baiting. I say this in truth. :hi:

[tokenlib]

9. When people attack Obama for not closing the deal..I think about this...

Barack Obama has done the near impossible against incredible odds. To be on the verge of defeating and overthrowing Hillary, Bill, Terry and all the rest--and the formidible political establishment machine they had built...

To do this is a miracle. Hillary's campaign being run into the ground helped--but it was still a miracle.

I am proud of this country in a way that I have never before been so proud--and I agree with Michelle Obama on that.

[jenmito]

24. Exactly...

It IS a miracle. For some to have the NERVE why HE can't "close the deal" when he's run a nearly flawless campaign is bewildering.

[NJSecularist]

10. It's not hard to do when you are getting 90% of the black vote.

Blacks are a significant part of the electorate in the Democratic party. After 90% black support, all you need is some token white support, rack up margin in sham low turnout caucus states... and then you are the nominee.

[RazBerryBeret]

13. wow, are you bitter...

and don't call me "token"

[jenmito]

15. Hillary had more support from Black voters than he did. He had to EARN their votes unlike

Hillary who got a majority of the woman vote because she's a woman. YOU supported Obama and dissed Hillary every chance you got up 'til the PA primary unless you forget.

[NJSecularist]

17. That is a myth.

Obama has been getting an overwhelming amount of the black vote since Iowa. Obama didn't earn anything.

[jenmito]

20. Before Iowa Hillary had a higher percent of the Black vote. Want proof? Want a poll?

How'd you feel about Obama winning when you supposedly supported him?

[americanstranger]

Y'know, I'd completely forgotten that that one was such a big O supporter.

That makes his disingenuousness even more disingenuous, doesn't it?

- as

[jenmito]

33. Yup, up 'til the PA primary. I quoted a couple of his earlier posts when he was ridiculing

Hillary.

[NJSecularist]

21. At no point during actual voting did Hillary ever lead Obama with the black vote.

That is a fact. And it hasn't even been close either.

[jenmito]

25. More selective facts. BEFORE the voting Hillary had more support from Black voters just like

every OTHER bloc of voters. Nice try.

[NJSecularist]

27. You can cherrypick polls all you want.

The FACT remains that when black voters stepped in the voting booth, from Iowa on, they overwhelmingly voted for Obama. That is not up to debate.

[jenmito]

35. Check this out:

"Bode points out that African American candidates for public office are usually asked, "Can he get any white votes?" But a Washington Post/ABC News poll "has turned that question on its head," the professor states. The survey shows Hillary Rodham Clinton leading Barack Obama The poll shows Hillary Clinton with 60% support among black voters, with Obama at 20%."

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=18921

[NJSecularist]

39. Congratulations on linking to a poll that was taken about a year before actual voting.

When black voters actually started voting, Obama received their votes by an overwhelming majority.

That is a fact.

[jenmito]

42. Don't you GET it? The point is Obama did not automatically get Black support. He EARNED it.

But justify away, former "Obamabot." :rofl:

[NJSecularist]

46. He didn't earn anything.

He won it from the first primary/caucus on.

[jenmito]

50. He earned the support of the Black vote. I showed you one poll-I could show you 10 more. He had

to prove he could win before they started supporting him unlike the women who supported Hillary from the beginning just because she's a woman. Again-you were an Obama supporter once, so your excuses ring hollow.

[Doityourself]

82. He earned this black vote, I didn't vote for him until it came down to just him and Hillary..

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

28. I did'nt want to respond to you because it would be a waste of time.

But since its so important that you continue to spew bullshit I will chime on.

Obama did not have 100 or 90% of the black vote at the start of this race.He did'nt have my family's support.We supported Edwards.OMG a white man had the support from the black community.We liked what he had to say and then he bowed out.I took a break from this race because I did'nt like Clinton nor Obama but as the race went on Clinton made an honest ass out of self with the "I have the white vote" response.And that pissed me off.It was as if that was the only group she cared about.So if anything she led more and more people to Obama with her stupid ass remarks.

This race card thing is old and I call goldfish.See you in November.

[NJSecularist]

32. Go look at the exit polls from Iowa and New Hampshire.

Blacks overwhelming supported Obama from the start. The facts are the facts. Sorry you don't want to hear them.

The argument that Hillary LOST the black vote is absurd. She never had.

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

34. Blame Hillary.

[NJSecularist]

36. That's the Obama Underground motto.

When all else fails, blame Hillary!

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

40. Unorganized - unprepared.

Blame Hillary.

[DemVet]

57. Bullshit.

Ferraro was correct...a lot of people have voted for Obama simply because he's black...or half black...whatever. That's a fact.

[jenmito]

63. Geraldine-is that you? Here you go:

"Bode points out that African American candidates for public office are usually asked, "Can he get any white votes?" But a Washington Post/ABC News poll "has turned that question on its head," the professor states. The survey shows Hillary Rodham Clinton leading Barack Obama The poll shows Hillary Clinton with 60% support among black voters, with Obama at 20%."

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=18921

[americanstranger]

16. Sore Loserman. n/t

- as

[dchill]

31. "token white support"

Like me? I don't feel so very token...

[JVS]

38. Damned black voters! Ruining their plans!

[jenmito]

52. And don't forget his "token white support" (like the "tokens" in Iowa, Wisconsin, Oregon, etc.

What a fool that poster is.

[jenmito]

45. Then Hillary can't win. She can't get out of single digits with the Black vote.

[NJSecularist]

48. So 90 percent of black votes are going to vote for McCain?

Did you guys get your talking points screwed up?

Even in Reagan's blowout in 1984, Mondale still won 90% of the black vote.

[jenmito]

51. No. They'll stay home. You should rethink your logic. The same thing applies to real Dems. who

are white who are now supporting Hillary. They won't vote for McCain.

[habitual]

49. well, if they are so important, why didn't she do enough to show them

that she was the right person to vote for? Why is that? Why couldn't she close the deal?

what are you saying? that she is that incompetent, and that unelectable?

and to 'cherry pick' dates like you have done is just laughable... NO NO, only take her support from AA's AFTER she started to lose it...

to hell with YOUR RULES, let's look at the support that the Clintons had and they LOST. sorry, you can't force your preferred time frame on me.

[cottonseed]

66. You do realize that blacks have the right to vote? and have them counted right?

[Doityourself]

80. You are a straight up hater..lmao

[RazBerryBeret]

11. yep...black guy, funny name...

I remember having the discussion with my family over thanksgiving dinner (all my siblings and in-laws are dems)..which candidate you were supporting. I'd made up my mind, but was hesitant. I'd said something like "I know who would make the best President, but I'm afraid America won't vote for him"....

WHAT a difference six months makes!!! this has been unbelievable and I'm looking forward to the GE, I plan on volunteering as much as I can.

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

29. Me too ! n/t

[jenmito]

41. I know MANY people who felt the same way...

especially my Black friends/family.

[RazBerryBeret]

59. that all changed for me by February!!!

I've been a very vocal Obama supporter--and it's great!
most of my siblings are on the same side. (one sister-in-law and my mom are supporting Hillary)....

[jenmito]

60. Around Super Tuesday?

So have I. And ALL of my family is on the same side. I had a few friends who supported Hillary last summer but they are strong Obama supporters now!

[RazBerryBeret]

61. Lucky...

it's kinda touchy with my mom and I; I haven't talked to her since friday's comments, I'm afraid it may be a bit awkward.
maybe I'll call tonight....

she just loved Bill so much, it clouded her usual good judgement.
but, she's my mom, what can I say?

[jenmito]

65. Wow...

Hopefully she'll come around once Obama's officially the nominee! I hope she will! :hi:

[Ice-9]

43. It's astonishing, isn't it?

Senator Obama is the giant-slayer.

[jenmito]

54. Yup. Unbelievable. Probably astonishing especially to the Clintons. n/t

[DLnyc]

53. He is a remarkable candidate and deserves great respect; also, tens of

millions of voters, volunteers and donors deserve some credit, I think. I really feel America as a group has rallied in a time of need.

[jenmito]

55. I agree. The people who stepped up to the plate deserve lots of credit, too. I remember

when the Clinton camp ridiculed Obama's young voters as "looking like facebook" and claiming they'll never vote anyway.

[cbc5g]

56. Its simple..If she voted against the war or apologized for the vote she would be the nominee

Primaries are where the enthused base comes out. The enthused base HATES and DOESNT SUPPORT this war that Hillary supported, voted for and WONT APOLOGIZE FOR VOTING FOR.


Her vote for the war gave an opportunity for a change candidate who was against the war to win.

[gulliver]

58. The GE will tell us what it means.

If Obama wins the GE, then he beat the Clintons and McCain. If Obama loses, then the Dem primary process is broken. The obvious conclusion would be that the Dem process actually chooses losers.

Basically, both the Obama and Clinton candidacies are bounds condition candidacies. Bush put Republicans in such a pickle that we think we might as well run the first black or first woman. We can "afford it," we think. This is how one ends up with a lifelong credit card balance. Our process optimizes not for victory or results but for maximum feel good constrained by an overly optimistic assessment of the danger and cost of losing.

I don't see why Obama would not beat McCain in the current climate, BTW, but the American voter is fickle.

[jenmito]

62. But my point is that Obama beat the Clintons. Regardless of what happens in the GE, this was a

great accomplishment ALREADY. I think beating the Clinton machine was the HARD part. But we'll see.

[slinkerwink]

64. My boyfriend and I still can't believe that Obama turned the Clinton machine upside-down, but he did

and that's the real story here.

[jenmito]

67. LOTS of people can't believe it-especially the Clintons IMO...

They prepared to run against Edwards but not Obama. Too bad they can't lose gracefully.

[VotesForWomen]

70. your 'Black guy with a funny name' is going to lose the GE and fuck the dem party and america. bet o

bet on it.

[jenmito]

73. Will you vote for him?

Or are you a Republican?

[Kablooie]

74. As long as the Clinton machine is still running, there could still be surprises ahead.

She is becoming more and more desperate and with her recent behavior , I actually expect some dramatic, extreme and possibly effective effort right at the end.

Don't underestimate them.

It's not over till the blond lady slings.

[Philipsanchez]

77. It's not hard to beat anyone when the media is on your side n/t

[grantcart]

78. lol yeah the sure went soft on him on the flag pin, muslim connection and never said a word

about his pastor ol what's name.

Man you are pathetic.

[Philipsanchez]

81. Obama supporters only have Wright when talking about media bias

Meanwhile, if you are Hillary, you have:

-The media mocking her tears in NH.
-The media (several pundits) calling for her to withdraw.
-The media relentlessly attacking her for the RFK "assassination" remarks.
-The NY Times editorial board and columnists with the exception of Krugman pounding her on a daily basis. Brooks and Kristol started attacking Obama when he had secured the nomination.
-MSNBC having Matthews, Olbermann and Shuster attack Clinton with sexist remarks and taking sides for Obama.
-SNL seeing media bias.
-Howard Kurtz seeing media bias against her.
-Byron York seeing media bias against her.
-Peggy Noonan giving up her role as wingnut to trash Hillary on a weekly basis.
-The media pretending her "LBJ/MLK" comments were racist.

Etcetera, Etcetera, etcetera.

And all you have is a flag pin and the only issue where Obama was relentlessly attacked, which was Wright?

[Cha]

84. WHine Whine...the media points out the facts about

hilary and you call it "bashing". hilary's a lying warhog and I'm glad she's gone even if she's too damn dense to know it.

[grantcart]

85. lol the NYT endorsed her ass wipe

well you have done it

I have very few people on ignore but you are a colossal waste of time.

[FrenchieCat]

79. Did you remind the media of this after or before they pastorbated for

like a whole month with a week off.

Did you at least hand them a towel? :shrug:

I was passing Fox today, and heard them make up excuses as to why Hillary was perfectly legitimate in using Assassination to mark a timeline that had absolutely not comparables with the case that she was making.

Or about the time that the only way they could categorize voters was based on their skin tone and gender?

Or about the time that they dare bring up fingergate, snubgate, bowlgate, Michelle hates her country gate, or Flagpin gate, or Farrakahn gate, or retzo gate, or cultgate, or bittergate, Muslimgarbgate......etc, etc, etc...

[Doityourself]

83. Black guy, funny name beat the Clintons like they stole something..lmao! I'm sure they are pissed!

[Major Hogwash]

86. $250 Million dollars for a campaign, $20 Million dollars in loans, $11 Million dollars in debt,

And a $20 tee shirt that says "It will all be over by February 5th" . . . priceless.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

87. Oh how the mighty have fallen. Paybacks are a bitch.

[madrchsod]

88. she`s "all show and no go"......