Suggesting that Hillary Supporters might defect to McCain is a put down of Hillary Supporters-

[FrenchieCat]

Anyone who attempts to advance the notion that Obama will not receive the vote of Hillary Supporters, is guilty of labeling these Hillary supporters as fools. Such folks are, in fact, saying that these women care less about issues that affects them then they do about personalities. It is saying that these women are shallow and will not vote for the issues, but will react out of spite instead.

Any woman proud to have voted for Hillary Clinton during the primaries should want what Hillary offered in reference to her platform, not simply only Hillary. And so, to push the notion that these women only wanted a woman to vote for, issues be damned, is advancing a meme that they are too emotional to be rational.

I reject, renounce and denounce such folks who are attempting to sell us this crap. Hillary supporters are smart, capable, independent and accomplished. They are supporters of the issues that advance women as well as many other issues. Many are against the War in Iraq, are pro-choice, and are very interested in reformed health care and equal pay.

Those who threatened that Hillary supporters will vote for McCain or not vote at all, if Hillary Clinton is not on the ticket, are engaged in portraying Hillary supporters as stereotypical "Air Heads". This is a put down of women everywhere, and in particular those who supported Hillary Clinton.

I warn those who put these women down by attributing a cult-like worship of all things Hillary to them. I believe that you (who are guilty of this) are far from the truth. I suggest that you stop defaming these Hillary Supporters now, and give them credit in them wanting what is best for them, their children and for this nation; and that is not what a McCain Presidency represents, and they damn well know it.

We cannot beat sexism if those who believe that it is a problem compound the problem by affirming a stereotype that says that women cannot think rationally, but use their emotions to do what is most harmful to themselves.

[PeaceNikki]

1. You know, I am actually quite shocked at the thought, but

I agree with you.

I am strongly of the opinion that those who act that way were never REALLY "Hillary supporters" at all. I tend to think they merely pretended to be to stir the pot. And/or pretend to support McCain to make real Hillary supporters look bad.

Maybe I'm an optimist. That's my hope anyway.

[FrenchieCat]

3. Certainly there will be a small pool of Hillary supporters who are

"air heads" in that they only voted for Hillary because she was Hillary. But they have got to be the smallest of percentage of the millions who voted for her.

I cannot believe that a large percentage of women would be that silly and spiteful......not in the 21st century.

Back in the day, some would call those women "catty".....in the fact that they prefer to be spiteful and make a point that is not point just so that they will be paid attention to.

The women that I know that have supported Hillary Clinton are not thate kind of one dimensional cartoonish type. I refuse to believe it.

[papau]

7. Not that small a percentage fit your "put-down" words apparently - perhaps 5% - enough to mean

difference between victory and defeat

[HCE SuiGeneris]

14. Aren't you proud to want to drag the nation down? What a great aspiration!

Unbelievable that this crap keeps soiling this site.

[Cha]

43. But, it's all over June 11, 2008, Wednesday.

How nice they get to spew their toxins until then when.. Oooops, See ya.

[FrenchieCat]

16. You appear to be guilty of exactly what my OP is about......

you are promoting this view of women. Shame on you!

[sniffa]

28. That's Ignored for ya

It's a shame.

[FrenchieCat]

33. I took all of my ignores off .......prematurely..... and maybe too soon....

I just get tired to hear the slams against good American Women everywhere! They are not stupid as those who are attempting to advance such notion believe. In fact, the percentage of such women is very, very small. To think otherwise does not advance women's causes. :(

[SwampG8r]

93. good for you

you loooooove america:sarcasm:

[blonndee]

2. I am of the mind that Hillary supporters who truly respect her

and who are loyal to the party are quite smart enough to recognize those tactics for what they are and for what effect those who disseminate such garbage are striving.

[FrenchieCat]

4. But the media is running with it......

and is doing further damage to what women are all about. The notion is further setting women back, IMO. That they would be open to negotiations to support an Anti-Women candidate like John McCain. I personally resent this portrayal.

[PeaceNikki]

10. And they're going to KEEP running with it. They'll showcase it.

They'll it beat into our heads and make us think the exception is the rule.

Fuck the MSM.

[blonndee]

15. The media are corporate shills and are indeed just looking for this crap.

What can we do about it? Well, we can campaign for our candidate. We can get our butts out on the street or wherever else we can help out. We can register new voters, phone bank, provide rides to the polls. There are some things we can't control. That doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to speak out against the divisive tactics, and it certainly doesn't mean that we should allow ourselves to be held hostage and/or paralyzed with fear. We have to keep going. There's not much time left.

[papau]

5. Sorry Frenchie - to say what the polls report is not a put down - if no Hillary VP it won't be "OK"

[FrenchieCat]

12. So are you advancing this "Notion"?

and yes....to report polls that show that women are reactionnaries against their better interest is promoting a negative being attributed to these folks.

if you are guilty of promoting such polls, then I denounce you. You are one promoting a stereotype that as a woman, I could do without.

[RoseMead]

89. From one woman to another: Thank you

:applause:

[Warren Stupidity]

19. The loons at HI44 and HCF don't give a rats ass about VP

They are openly advocating for McCain. But you know that. And the polls are now noting that Clinton supporters, real Clinton supporters not the shit-stirring false flag Operation Chaos people, are now moving to Obama and are not going to sit this out or vote McCain.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

36. 80-90%.

And we're only a few days out.

It's the most laughable bullshit I've ever seen in politics.

[dorkulon]

63. Got a link for that?

I'd like to see it. I'm trying to get my head around this issue myself.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

69. -

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[dorkulon]

71. tyvm /nt

[jgraz]

61. Anyone stupid enough to hold the country hostage for a Hillary VP slot is not worth catering to

They'll never be satisfied, they'll never support the ticket no matter what. The tiny percentage of dead-enders that get on board with Hillary on the ticket will be dwarfed by the defections of independents and "Obamacans".

You overestimate the love for this woman and underestimate the dislike that many new Obama voters have for her. She did the right thing yesterday, but that doesn't change the fact that she'd be a disaster as a VP pick.

[polmaven]

64. Remember New Hampshire!

please, papau...pollsters have agendas too. Remember New Hampshire...And, even if polls show that now, it will shake out once the deepest disappointment passes, and the thought of Supreme Court full of Antonin Scalias sets in.....:scared:

Edit to add....I would NOT be surprised, either, if many of the people answering the polls and describe themselves as Clinton supporters listen to Limbaugh and or Billo on a regular basis.

[Beacool]

91. Hear, hear!!!!!

Throw Hillary under the bus, pretend that she came a distant second and watch how many will not move a finger this November.

I've already seen quite a few switch to Independent.

[stray cat]

6. A vocal group of supposedly pro-Hillary individuals is campaigning for McCain

I suspect it is more a vocal minority since McCain doesn't appear to be a stellar progressive on women's or worker's rights.

However, its these "Hillary supporters" that are making it sound like those who voted for Hillary are likely to defect to McCain.

[papau]

8. The Obama/DNC wounds are fresh - the GOP are old - and no Hill as VP is salt

[smiley_glad_hands]

39. You are full of shit. eom

[WeDidIt]

9. They were not legitimate Hillary supporters to begin with

They were always Republicans.

[stray cat]

11. They may generally be single issue dems but McCain doesn't support those issues and Obama does.

[janx]

13. I just sent you a PM. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

35. Aye!

:hi:

[Forkboy]

17. Let them have their attention now. Come November they'll be sideshow clowns.

The posters pushing this are some of DU's biggest purveyors of tripe and puffed up melodrama. Fuck 'em. We don't need them, and I sure as shit don't plan on unifying with these asshats. Leave them out in the cold where they've chosen to reside.

[FrenchieCat]

20. I agree.....and let them bear the burden of setting women's issues

and the view of women back a few decades!

They are the ones guilty of sexism.

I just thought I'd let them know.....since it is obvious that they have no clue on how this MindGame that they are playing is affecting how folks view women in general.

Hillary rightfully spoke of the many cuts in the glass ceiling allowing the light to shine through.

These folks are shining a light on something quite different, and something quite negative on the image of what women believe is important in the larger scheme of things. In otherwords, these folks are pushing against the advancements that Hillary Clinton made in terms of what women are all about. They should be ashamed of this.

[Forkboy]

26. They're not even important enough to hurt women and set them back.

I won't even give them that much credit. They're deranged fucksticks intent on being irrelevant. I say we let them. :)

[Peacetrain]

51. Thank you for the op

I have been asking in other threads exactly what was said by the campaign of Senator Obama.. or his surrogates.. or what proposals or platforms that Senator Clinton had that were different than Senator Obama's.. and cannot get an answer..

Because I am a woman, and I do find it highly sexist and demeaning that somehow I would vote or other women would vote the other party, against our own beliefs and values.. because our candidate did not get the nod...

I understand the passion..and that will settle down.. but this whole idea that women and a massive percentage of them are going to vote mccain just because Senator Clinton did not make it..just makes no sense to me.. or worse yet.. that they have to punish someone because of the media.. and the media was pretty dang bad..but that was the media

[krkaufman]

18. Oh, Frenchie... it's not a "suggestion" when there are so many media clips ...

... showing such declarations.

And then there's the sad irony of the very next post after yours to GD:P...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6322733

[PeaceNikki]

21. The media is showcasing these morans.

It's fun to show the divisiveness of the party that's on fire.

They're going to keep showcasing them and try to knock us down.

Fuck em.

[janx]

25. It's also profitable for the media to do so.

Sickening, isn't it?

[FrenchieCat]

24. I disagree with you!

One can always find a few vocals out there. Doesn't make them the reality, unless you believe it.

Like I said, most women are not "Air Heads", and to think so is an attack on women everywhere.

What you are talking about are the exception, not the rule.

As a woman, I resent anyone who tells me that women are dim in this way. Please do not be one of those who buys into this PR mess that demeans good women everywhere.

[krkaufman]

46. Oh, with that I can certainly agree.

The McClinton supporters are a perhaps small ... but vocal ... bunch.

But the exit polls put the number in the range of 15-20% of Clinton supporters, and opinion polling indicated an even higher percentage of "Clinton or bust" voters.

And I didn't reference "women" in my post, since the Clinton "supporters" who are expressing such a view are not just women. So please don't put me into some grouping with people who are slamming women in general.

(p.s. Not wanting to be argumentative or anything, but women can be dim. Just like men. Neither gender has a corner on brilliance or utter stupidity. If this weren't the case, we wouldn't be coming to the end of Bush's 2nd term.)

[polmaven]

66. I'm going to give you

the benefit of the doubt on "McClinton".

[krkaufman]

88. Do what you want.

"McClinton supporter" ... a Clinton supporter who is vocal about voting for McCain over Obama.

[slinkerwink]

22. John McCain seems to think these women will just come to him, and he's laughing about it

[FrenchieCat]

27. and he is laughing at the Democratic party, and in essense is also

advancing the notion that women are emotional basket cases who will vote against their best interest because they "feel" scorned.

McCain is a sexist pig.

[qijackie]

23. What about the men who supported Senator Clinton? There were quite a few of those as well.

No one seems to mention them in any context .... oh, except as mindless cracker racist trailor trash... maybe some of the men are profoundly disappointed in her loss as well as many of her women supporters. I really don't think any of us need to be constantly told what we will do if we are "smart", or "care about the country", or are not "racists", not "governed by our emotions", or whatever the little lecture is as to why we should now embrace Senator Obama. I say leave us alone to come to Jesus if and when we feel like it.

[FrenchieCat]

Start your own op.

Mine is about those who would advance the notion that women will vote against their better interest simply because they feel scorned. The emotional vs. the rational.

As a woman, I feel the need to point out that women are not "emotional" and irrational.

If you believe that there are men who will do the same thing; vote for a NeoCon warmongering Anti-Choice candidate against their own best economic interest because they are "mad" that Hillary Clinton didn't become the nominee, please feel free to comment as such in your own op...as mine is not about that.

[qijackie]

49. "Emotional" supporters of Clinton vs "rational" supporters of Obama? You're the

one that is characterizing women that way. You are feeling free to define what we should decide is in our best interests. I'm saying leave us be to decide for ourselves what we believe is in our best interests just as you decide for yourself. Your "concern" for us poor demented Hillary supporters that just haven't seen the light yet is silly.

[FrenchieCat]

57. Nope.....that is not what I said.

Emotional in the sense that there is no other reason for a Hillary supporter to vote McCain....considering the issues. And no, I didn't mention Obama in the sense that you have put it. I was stating that Clinton supporters are rational, as far as I am concerned....but yet the meme put out by those who want to say that Hillary supporters may vote McCain are that they are not.

As a woman, I do have a say on how Hillary supporters who are women are characterized....because whether you believe it or not, this vision of political action due to "spite and vengence" reflects on my womanhood and that of my two daughters. So no, it isn't just about Hillary supporters, it is about how the whole meme which makes all women look bad, not the least being Hillary Clinton. If Hillary is seen as not being able to assert any leadership over her voters whatsoever, it also puts a bad light on her and her capability to be a leader to those who admire her.

[janx]

60. And that is precisely why I doubt the intentions

of those who pushed this division in the first place. RUMMYISFROSTED just posted that as of today, 80%-90% of former H. Clinton backers are already behind Obama, and it's only a few days since he won the nomination.

It's tough for me to believe that any reasonable Dem would promulgate such a ridiculous idea. It's insulting. I doubt it has anything to do with Clinton. Her campaign wasn't the best, but she is a competent, smart, and gracious woman.

[janx]

72. I screwed up and misrepresented RIF's percentages...

80 to 80 percent of DEMS.

[krkaufman]

48. Obama's great, but ...

... he's NOT Jesus. Sheesh!

:)

[crankychatter]

29. you're way smarter than me

that ain't sayin a lot but I like it

thanks for all the thinkin'

:-)

[blogslut]

30. Sigh

It's ridiculous. They pin us into these stupid, buzzword-of-the-day categories: Soccer Moms, Safety Moms, Single women, Married women, White women, Black women, Latino women, Older women, Younger women...

I don't know about ya'll but I'm pretty damned tired of being defined by people that don't know me. I'm sick of polls. I'm sick of demographics. I'm sick of the media's inability to see me as anything but a statistic.

I am a human being. I am a woman. I am an American citizen. I have my own mind and I can make my own choices.

[janx]

31. It's awful, yeah.

Oh well. I guess I'll finish cleaning the bathroom now.

:rofl:

[blogslut]

32. Before you go

care to let me in on the joke?

[janx]

34. I wasn't mocking you--

I was mocking myself! The assumptions made about women are mind boggling. And Frenchie is correct, only I'd take it a step further. What these rabble rousers are doing on this board is insulting to women in general, not just Clinton backers.

[blogslut]

38. Sorry

I took your post the wrong way. I apologize.

You're right. The seeds of division will only sprout in fertile soil. They can only drive the wedge if we let them. :hi:

[janx]

42. I realized it was ambiguous after I posted it.

That's why I came back. ;-)

[blogslut]

44. It's all good

Now, go clean that bathroom and fix me a sammich! ;)

[polmaven]

67. Um, personally,

I would prefer it if the sammich got fixed BEFORE the bathroom was cleaned!

[janx]

73. Why?

Are you afraid that I wouldn't wash my hands?

[polmaven]

77. Only 'cause

sometimes people wonder if Adrien Monk is my brother!

[yewberry]

37. They don't care about the country and their not committed to women's rights.

They care about their own victimhood and are committed to their spite.

Unfortunately, there is a small percentage of people who are nursing and tending their poison-apple bitterness, and they don't seem to care who they'll feed it to.

Senator Clinton is far better than those people, and most of her supporters are, too.

[Yael]

41. Indeed.

They are slapping her and all of her accomplishments right across the face.

It is sickening.

LIV

[Yael]

40. Very well stated, Frenchie Cat. These people have no clue what they are about to do

We KNOW that between Hillary and JRE, Obama's healthcare plan isn't going to make it to the platform. We KNOW that it was central to JRE's endorsement and I have no doubt in my mind that Hillary made it central to hers.

So a HRC/JRE platform makes the final party platform, and these clueless wonders will vote against it. A vote against her legacy to spearhead it and make it happen from the Senate or a Cabinet post. The Clinton Healthcare Reform package (or whatever they agree to call it) and morons from His44 and HCF will vote AGAINST it.

Un freaking believable.

[AuntPatsy]

45. Common sense, too bad some are lacking and will continue the bs

that Sen Hillary's true supporters would dare to be real mccain ones..

[S n o w b a l l]

47. I like your optimism...

However, my experience tells me different. I was a member of an online political group since 2003 before the Iraq war. We were always cohesive in our views during the 2004 election and were all Edwards supporters in this primary until he withdrew. From that point on, it was Obama bashing in every single email. I reluctantly resigned from the group since I was neither an Obama or Clinton supporter at that time and didn't approve of the bashing of either candidate.

Larry Johnson and No Quarter was their source for most of their information. Keith Olberman who was once admired and respected became the enemy. All the sources we relied on before were as well. Quotes from Britt Hume were being tossed around. Fox News became a new source of information. I couldn't believe what happened. They changed before my very eyes and vowed to vote for Mickey Mouse or McCain before they'd vote for Obama. Those 2 of us that tried to rebut their accusations and ridiculous insinuations about Obama and his "gang signs" were ostracized.

I didn't understand the hatred for Obama and never will since I've resigned from the group. All you have to do is read No Quarter and you'll see. There are plenty of Hillary supporters that are intent on destroying Obama and this election for us.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/08/obama%e2%80%99s-big-problem-and-how-we-can-inflate-it/#comments

I was friends with those women for 5 yrs. We talked not only politics but personal issues as well and were always there for each other. It was a big loss to lose these friends, but I really had no choice.

I still have hope for them to come around and act like the true Democrats I thought they were, but I'm not optimistic at all.

[Yael]

50. They are promoting (and proving) the very stereotype they want to fight

That women are too emotional to make choices and are only about revenge. That women are unstable and can be led by the nose.

It is sickening.

[S n o w b a l l]

56. I wish I could believe that...

I need to make sense of it. But, it's not that at all. These women are VERY informed politically, one a 2004 delegate, a poster here for many years whom I'm sure most respected. It totally bewilders me.

[Duder]

52. I agree...

They should read - "We are Women, not Wedges"

http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/06/we-are-women-not-wedges/

[AZBlue]

53. I don't think that they are the majority of Hillary supporters - not even close to it.

But I fear that there is a group of her supporters that will do this. Certainly some threatening it now will see the light before November. And many that are claiming to be Hillary's supporters for McCain are really Republicans. But, there is a certain number that will carry this through. Two of the loudest happen to be men (Larry Johnson and Ed Hale) who say their issues are foreign policy, defense and other issues - but not women's rights. I wrongly assumed at first that women were the driving force behind this, but it appears that may not even be true.

I was listening to the authors of the new book "Sway" on Cynthia Black's Action Point program this morning and it was very apropos information. The book is about the decisions people make based upon emotion and why rational people do completely irrational things. All Clinton supporters want to feel as if they are being heard - as do Obama supporters. Some may feel that lashing out - against their own best interest even - is their only way to be heard. The insight I gained this morning actually makes me more hopeful about the situation - if anyone can reach out and allow others to be heard, it's Barack Obama. I feel like we have a good chance of helping those who are so angry and so frustrated to let go of that and see that McCain is not the answer. There are ways to pro-actively deal with the issues they struggle with and none include 4 more years of Bush-like politics.

[cbayer]

54. I could not agree with you more.

And it's been a long time since I could say that!

[WarfareArtist]

55. Stupidity is universal...

I would argue that some Clinton's supporters are indeed fools as I would with the supporters of any candidates (even Obama). And women who are shallow and would not vote for the issues do indeed support Clinton. But as of the proportion I don't know. Since they make the largest noise or the hottest scandal for the media it's hard to tell the number.

What I'm about to say next might enrage some Clinton's supporters (assuming I haven't already), but here we go. During this primary season, Clinton engaged in negative attacks which employed fallacies and in occasion complete lies (e.g., NAFTA-gate, "as far as I know", "hard-working white people"). I'm not saying Obama did not go negative, but at least his attacks are based on actual FACTS and only thrown only because Clinton threw the first punch. Although I must admit that her method is highly effective considering the Republicans' victories during the last two presidential elections by employing the same techniques.

Clinton knowingly cause irreparable damage to the then potential presidential nominee of her own party (now of course IS the Democratic presumptive nominee). Her supporters might argue that the Republicans would do the same thing during the General Election anyway, which is all true, but it hurts more when it's coming from your own camp innit?

Her claim to the rights of Florida and Michigan is ludicrous at best. Had she not accuse the Democratic Party of not being democratic BEFORE she won the primaries of those two states she would have all the credibility. This is just my postulation, but the reason Obama ran a small campaign in Florida is perhaps to avoid alienating the people of Florida, which is a swing state, from himself and the Democratic Party for the general election. Besides, had the situation been the reverse (Obama winning Florida and Michigan after agreeing not to campaign in both states, and then turning back on his words) I would argue that Clinton supporters would be the first to cry foul.

Clinton's supporters that accused the media of being more receptive of Obama might have some substance in their argument. The media is fickle, it only likes winners. When Clinton was the "presumptive nominee", they were, at best, dismissive of Obama. In the case that you didn't remember two weeks of Flag-lapelgate. But since the tide has turned in Iowa so has media reception.

Clinton's supporters might be disappointed because their candidate was defeated, and they have every right to be. But if they are enraged of the supposed event that their candidate was being cheated they are either delusional or lack accurate information.

I say just keep argue with the same talking points, and we would emerge victorious since the truth is on our side.

EDIT - That was a pretty long post considering I'm just preaching to the choir (since this is an Obama thread). My apologies.

2nd EDIT - what i meant by "Obama thread" was that the ones that post here would've have voted for Obama during general...and generally already knew what I was saying.

[FrenchieCat]

58. No problem at all with the length of your post, as it was a sensible

take that I happen to agree with.

This is not so much an Obama thread, as a thread about women and asking who is actually doing damage to our causes and our collective reputation.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

59. agreed

[FrenchieCat]

62. And welcome.......

Like I said, the women that supported Hillary Clinton that I personally know, are awesome, independent and insightful women! The women that I see being advertised as the "Then I'll vote for McCain" folks are not representative in any way, shape or size of anything remotely to do with being a politically aware Hillary supporter. Those are just the facts!

[Danger Mouse]

65. The only Hill supporters who will go for McCain were never dems to begin with.

Her TRUE supporters will support the dem ticket.

[galledgoblin]

68. I would agree, except I've actually RUN INTO THESE PEOPLE

it's surreal, to meet a pundit talking point made flesh, but they are out there!

[Major Hogwash]

70. Some of the most crazy Hillary supporters have threatened to do just that!!

So how is that a put down?

[FrenchieCat]

74. They are a part of the small minority of what one would call air heads.....

They are putting themselves down. Shallowness tends to do that for you.

[Major Hogwash]

76. Even though it may be true, our local newspaper has LTEs from Republicans for Obama - in IDAHO!!!

Which to me really should put the few trouble makers that start crap here to shame.

I've even talked to Republicans at work that can't stand McCain.
They haven't decided whether they will even go to the trouble of voting this year, they are so disenchanted with McCain.
They say things like "he is old and out of touch".
I ask them when they say that, "when did you start agreeing with me?"
And then we share a laugh together.

[rosesaylavee]

82. I have republican relatives who will vote Democratic

for the first time in their lives this November. One voted for Obama in the Primary. When we talk, I can't get a word in edgewise he is so into Obama.

So, we may have some former Clinton supporters going for whatever reason (or lack thereof) for McCain. But, there are true conservatives who are very impressed with Obama and will vote for him against their own party's nominee.

[undeterred]

75. This notion comes from the Hillary supporters themselves

and not from some other person or group attempting to defame them. Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face is foolish indeed.

[sampsonblk]

78. I think this is the first time I have ever disagreed with you, isn't it?

The idea that some Hillary supporters might vote for McCain would have never entered my mind, except that some of the said so - loudly.

No one is putting this on them. Its the vocal ones among them who have cast this doubt upon the whole group.

[FrenchieCat]

79. We are not in disagreement.....

And in fact, my op is stating that I do not believe that Hillary supporters would vote for McCain....not most of them anyways.

But there are certain DUers who have been advancing the notion of Hillary supporters voting McCain for quite sometime.

Again, I don't believe that Hillary supporters are like that; shallow, vengeful, spiteful and self defeating.

[sampsonblk]

84. The exit polls from WVa say different.

Wasn't it like 30% or so?

[FrenchieCat]

86. That was then.......

I'm talking about now that Obama IS the nominee. I can understand playing the bluff....and it is sure that many of those Democrats have voted "R" for the last two elections......

I'm talking about the others who appear to be more educated and dedicated to issues, not simply the cult of personalities.

[sampsonblk]

87. I hope you are right. - nt

[rosesaylavee]

80. DEMs need to hit this meme dead on

just as you have in your post. This cannot be allowed to fester any longer. No Democrat is going to vote for McCain because Senator Clinton didn't get the nomination. Only fools would believe that to be so. Their platforms couldn't be further apart. This is all part of the stupid Operation Chaos of turdblossom and limpballs.

We get **it** here - how do we spread the word to the blogosphere?

[Pushed To The Left]

81. Most (if not all)Hillary Clinton supporters I know are now supporting Obama

The LieberCrats are a very small but loud minority in the Democratic Party. I just hope they don't influence anybody, though. Maybe the media should stop giving them so much publicity.

[dsomuah]

83. So what does it mean when Hillary supporters themselves make the suggestion?

[FrenchieCat]

85. I think they were blustering, i.e., bluffing.......

Now they are just plain stuck or can decide that they will take another look at Obama.

Cause if they don't know what McCain is about, someone should school them:

[GoldieAZ49]

90. It is not a "notion" it is a fact

At Hillary Clinton Supporters For John McCain (www.hcsfjm.com), jilted Clinton fans are throwing their weight behind Republican nominee McCain in a fit of political pique. Full of the kind of random capitalization that is the hallmark of any good Internet rant, the site wonders: "What good is a great economy if you have to worry about getting blown up by a car bomb every time you go to the Mall?" What indeed, as surely the two are mutually inclusive!


http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/World/2008/06/09/5816626-sun.html


Even the Canadians are worried about it.

[madrchsod]

94. 25% of white women won`t vote for barack

yes it is a fact--25% of democratic white women will vote against there own self interest. i`m sure they will be happy with another 4 yrs being treated like john has treated his two wives.....

[and-justice-for-all]

92. Hey frenchie, that nonsense is from the McBush camp...

it is total BS.

anyone who actually would not get behind the Democratic Nominee is not really a Democrat at all, just an antagonist from McLame camp.

[FrenchieCat]

95. it's got to be that......