Obama's birth certificate

[kpete]

Obama's birth certificate
by kos
Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:09:04 AM PDT

....Rumors include the claim that Obama was born in Kenya, that his middle name isn't "Hussein", but "Muhammad", and that his real name is "Barry" and not "Barrack". The first and third are attempts to reinforce the claims that Obama isn't "American" enough -- the first because he wouldn't have been born in this country, and the third because he would've taken a perfectly good "American" name and rejected it in favor of a foreign one.




more (plus larger image) at:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168/320/534616

[peoli]

1. thanks!

[saracat]

2. I think it is great he did this! I wonder why the certificate number is redacted?

All the pertinent info is visible?

[NYCGirl]

9. What information are you looking for? Weight, length, eye color?

:shrug:

[saracat]

24. I said the pertinent info was there! Jeez.I was glad he did this!

[NYCGirl]

26. Did I misunderstand your question mark? NT

[saracat]

33. Apparently. I asked why the number was redacted and I got the answer down thread.

It was because the information WAS there I couldn't understand why the number was blocked out. Identity theft or "Copying" never occurred to me.

[DevonRex]

41. It was the other question mark that was confusing. You meant to put

a period there instead of a question mark. That's all. :)

[blondeatlast]

23. So the certificate can't be duplicated. Since it's a legitimate certificate,

it's a great way to steal someone's identity.

[saracat]

25. Ah! That makes sense. I hadn't thought of that!

[DenverDem23]

3. Thanks! This puts to rest the latest attempts by the RW to

smear the Democratic presumptive nominee and next President of the USA!

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

18. You wish it was put to rest!

The RW never lets facts get in the way of a smear campaign.

They will still use the name "Hussein" to spread fear among the good christian fundamentalists.

:hi:

[auburngrad82]

138. Exactly, I've already seen the "Defeat another Hussein, vote McCain in 2008" bumper sticker.

[papapi]

4. :sarcasm alert: At least we know he's been male since birth. :sarcasm alert:

I guess this blows a great big hole in some of the Faux Noos drivel. Wonder how they'll try to spin it now?

[napi21]

5. Good that the campaign posted this. I never knew Barack was

named after his father and he is a BHO II. I would THINK that will help put an end to all those who question WHY someone would chose that name!

[NotThisTime]

49. I think that was really interesting too! He should mention that once in a while!

[loyalsister]

126. Maybe he didn't feel it was necessary to defend his name

If you make an issue out of it it becomes an issue. Sometimes it's best not to participate in ridiculous assumptions.

[Mz Pip]

Most babies

don't choose their own names. Why Obama is being trashed because of his parents' choice of names is a pretty bogus concern.

It's not as though he crawled out of the womb shrieking "Name me Hussien! Name me Hussien!"

Mz Pip

[napi21]

72. Of course they don't! My point was that the Name Hussien is

associated by many Americans with Sadaam Hussien. If Barack had mentioned that he was named after his father as a Jr. or the II, because THAT also is a common practice that most Americans are used to, it may have put some of their irrational concerns about his name to rest.

Like it or not, American opinions of people are influenced by their name. Why do you think some parents agonize over what to name their child? It's RARE to find prominent people with what we view as odd or goofy names like Wilbur, Buford.

[alphafemale]

102. It would have been even worse if he HAD legally changed his name.

Imagine what the response to THAT would have been.

[Mz Pip]

103. That's what I think, too.

He's already been criticized for going by "Barry" in high school, which seems to be a perfectly reasonable nickname for Barack.

[CakeGrrl]

131. Guess we shouldn't remind them that Cat Stevens changed his name to "Yusuf Islam"

Their heads might explode or at the very least they might burn his music.

:crazy:

[alphafemale]

137. You think any mother would name her child Cat Stevens?

Steven Demetre Georgiou was his given name.

Granted he probably wouldn't have sold records with that mouthful, but at least it's an honest name.

Cat Stevens. pshaw

Sounds like something from the porn name generator.

[Mz Pip]

163. Seems like I remember

he had a bit of trouble coming into the US after 9/11.

[weezy2736]

166. I remember talking about that in my 10th grade Government class.

I think the teacher and I were the only ones that knew who Cat Stevens was. Good times, indeed...

Side fact: That teacher, Mr. Riffle, deserves to be Obama's VP.

[TheDonkey]

119. lol

"most babies don't choose their own name"

:rofl:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

157. Most.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

156. I know a guy who has video of just that.

As soon as he gets it back from his cousin's friend's neighbor I'll post it.

[Eurobabe]

6. Cool, birth time for the astrologers. n/t

[Cha]

22. That's what I was thinking, although..

I know of at least one who has a "pm" time ..not sure if it's this exactly, though.

No guessing now..how many candidates have to produce their birth certificates? As usual, Obama and team will make lemonade outta the lemons thrown at them:)

:hi:

[nxylas]

32. Don't believe in astrology, but I did one for fun

Here's what I got:

http://astro-software.com/cgi-bin/astro/page01?name=Barack%20Obama&firstname=&birthplace=Honolulu,%20HI&lang=en&dformat=1&date=4/8/1961&time=19:24&country=1&state=15&adjust=10.00&long=157.51&lat=21.18

[demokatgurrl]

7. It's a sad state of affairs when a candidate

has to produce his fucking BIRTH CERTIFICATE to show he's "American enough" to be President.:grr:

[ellacott]

10. I agree

This is pretty sad.

[saracat]

36. We have done this to other candidates. It really isn't a big deal.

I don't consider it a big deal to produce my birth cerrtificate to get my passport !

[ellacott]

43. It may not be for you

I imagine it was no big deal for Obama when he got his passport either. Different circumstances.

[onenote]

53. what other candidates have ever been forced to produce a birth certificate

to prove that they were born where and when they said they were born?

Its one thing if the candidate admits to having been born outside the United States. But I know of not one example of a demand being made that a candidate who is reported to have been born in the United States, and with respect to whom there is zero -- ZERO -- evidence to rebut the presumption accorded all other candidates about the circumstances of their birth.

[saracat]

56. McCain did because they said he wasn't born in the USA and he wasn't

he was born on a military base and that counts as US soil! And Obama's citizenship wasn't ever in question because he had an American mother. It was the location of his birth that was signifigant just as in the case with Mccain. People who questioned his citzenship were silly.BTW, people questioned McCains citizenship 8 years ago too, also silly.

[onenote]

70. exactly: McCain didn't claim to be born on US soil

which differentiates him from 99 percent of the candidates for president. Obama claims to be born on US soil, which makes him like virtually every other candidate, yet only he has the demand put on him to produce a birth certificate. What makes Obama different from, say, George Bush or John Kerry such that he, but not they, have to produce a birth certificate? I think we all know.

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

80. Exactly ! You made the point that we have all been trying to say ...

in your last sentence.

[Catherina]

69. Post it on the fucking internet then if you think it's no bid deal. n/t

[saracat]

78. I am not running for Prez! And I tell NO one my age! Snark!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

87. Obama must not have considered it a big deal either, since he has one too.

I find it unbelievable that a 46 year old man who has attended college and held down several jobs in the U.S., including US Senator, has to satisfy Looky Lous like you that he's an American citizen.

Where are your posts asking about John Edwards' or Hillary Clinton's birth certificates?

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

45. I agree.

It shows the racism that the GOP is hiding behind when they do this.They will stop at nothing.

[saracat]

47. Mccain produced his birth certificate as well. I think this was a great step in rumour control from

the Obama Campaign. I don't see it as racist so much as combating the rumour that he wan't born in the USA.

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

52. If anyones wants to know something all they have to do is ...

GOOGLE it or go to Wikipedia.This is not like the elections of 2000 or 2004,we have so information to educate ourselves as voters that these questions should even be asked.

And yes I know McCain produced his as well.

[saracat]

61. Well, wiki is alterable and everything on google isn't true.

I know. I have altered stuff on Wiki1:evilgrin:

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

62. delete

[NotThisTime]

50. Agreed....

[saracat]

60. ALL the candidates have to prove they were "born" on US soil.

[ellacott]

71. How do you know he hasn't done this already?

This is the right wing seeking to prove dishonesty that would play into the narrative that they're trying to frame.

Someone here did a quick google search and found the info that is now posted(it wasn't on wiki).

I'm sure he has verified his birth with the applicable agencies.

This latest stunt by the right is not to find out the truth but to put yet another rumor out there that would cause people to question Obama.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

96. Really? Where's John Edwards' b/c?

I don't recall him having to post it on the Internet. Didn't see Hillary's either. Or Romney's or Huckabee's.

[DevonRex]

8. Thank you. nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. It just debunks another Right Wing Smear that been circulating by

Major Right Wing pundits in the last couple of months.

Good Show!

[DefenseLawyer]

12. Now where is McCain's Panamanian Birth Certificate?

Did they even keep official records in the 1870's?

[mcctatas]

120. The rock they etched the information on is too heavy to scan....

[Onlooker]

13. Are these the lies that are now debunked?

That he was really born before Hawaii was state
That his middle name was really Mohammed
That his real name was Barry, but he changed it to Barack
That he wasn't really born in the United States

Any others?

[Onlooker]

16. The first right wing reply

I found this on a right-wing website:

"Here we go......

Post dated birth certificates, the bane of every Immigration Officer!!!

This form wasn't even issued until 6/7/2007 (lighted stamped on the reverse of the document!!!)

Plus the Form on which it is printed was last revised in 2001!!!!

Why couldn't they produce the ORIGINAL???

Maybe because it does not exist!!! This is not going to make this go-away, it is only going to stir the pot!!!!!!"

[ellacott]

51. Oh boy

This is going to be interesting. Hopefully this will make them look petty.

[Mz Pip]

63. I can't find either

of my son's original birth certificates and they are younger than Obama. The ones they gave me in the hospital are long gone.I've had to get official copies from the county on more than one occasion.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[LTR]

64. A copy of a birth certificate can be obtained from the proper authorities anytime

I have had to do so myself once.

This is legit, and printed out on a laser printer. The time stamp notarizes it. It is a legal document. If one were to go the the local registrar for a birth certificate, they would get something like this.

[Erin Elizabeth]

152. Ok those questions are just stupid.

First, any time you ask for a copy of your bc, they are going to stamp the date on the back. The date they ISSUED THE COPY. DUH.

Oh noes!!!!11 Hawaii REVISED their birth certificate form in 2001??? THAT MUST MEAN HE'S A TERRARIST!!!!!

The original is probably lost. It happens to a LOT of people, but this right-wing fuckwad apparently doesn't get out of the basement much.

No, it'll just stir your bugfuck insane pot, you idjit. Get a job.

[DefenseLawyer]

21. That he shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die. n/t

[Cha]

27. That was Johnny!

:evilgrin:

[DefenseLawyer]

40. Sure, that's what the liberal media wants you to believe

But if it was Johnny, how did he end up at Folsom, a California state prison, for a murder conviction in Nevada? There is more than meets the eye here. Why won't the Obama campaign release the records? Is it because if we dig deeper we will find that he also shot a man for snoring too loud?

[Cha]

65. That's about the size of it..

That's what we're up against.

[jenmito]

130. That got a "pants on fire" rating:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/464/

[krispos42]

14. Hawaii statehood: Aug. 21st, 1959. Obama birthday: Aug. 4th, 1961

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3420229

[Bucky]

19. Virginia statehood: July 4, 1776. Washington's birthday: Feb. 12, 1732

omfg
:eyes:

[Cha]

28. Boy, he just made that! Our candidate is a

Leo and Hawai'i is a Leo. So am I by the wayB-)

[LTR]

58. That wouldn't have mattered anyway

Hawaii became a U.S. territory in 1898. Hence, it became U.S. soil then.

Barry Goldwater, the GOP nominee in 1964, was born in Arizona before it became a state, when still a territory. John McCain was born on a U.S. naval base in the Panama Canal Zone (then a territory), and both territories and U.S. government property, such as military installations and embassies, are considered U.S. soil.

All presidents born before 1776 (as subjects of another nation) were grandfathered in by the Constitution. Since this is irrelevant now, this clause is no longer part of the current document.

[krispos42]

81. Well, you have to smack these freepers with a big fuckin' club of facts

Otherwise it doesn't sink in, yanno?

[FSogol]

15. Let's put McBush thru the indginity of proving he's a citizen.

I want to see McBush's certificate.

[Hoof Hearted]

29. He's already done that - 8 years ago when it was an issue.

[Cha]

30. It's not really an indignity if you don't let it be and

I'm sure Obama won't. Otoh, bush could never prove to be that he's human.

[Kool Kitty]

68. That's just mean.

You know that stone tablet inscribed with cuneiform letters is heavy to carry around.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

17. wait...he's a Jr.? This is HUGH!!!11!1

[Bill McBlueState]

20. Do RWers understand that Hawaii is a state?

While waiting to fly out of Hawaii airports, I've overheard things that lead me to believe that not every American really "gets" that Hawaii is one of the 50 states.

[Cha]

35. They must listen to fauxnoise...the least

informed Americans in the country.

[madeline_con]

109. No, and they still don't know about New Mexico. n/t

[Willo]

31. Oh fucking great. Put him up on the block and check his teeth too.

Absolutely disgusting.

[vadawg]

34. birth certificate

not my idea of a great first post but here goes, problems i can see with this certificate from the off, im not sure how hawaii does there forms but as his mothers name is last name first then first then middle, people will assume the Baraks names is actually hussein obama barack. second point and someone more familiar with middle eastern names can advise on this, my first thought is people will notice the name thing and then say that hes called barack obama as hes reversed his name as is common in islamic cultures.

[NYCGirl]

38. No, you're mistaken. Legally, his mother's name is Stanley Ann Dunham.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

[vadawg]

39. phew

phew, thought id driven a bus through it there,

[papapi]

57. Welcome vadawg. I'm in C'ville VA. Where U?

[vadawg]

67. location

at this time im located in fairfax city just off 123 :)

[demokatgurrl]

99. ??????????????????????????????

[Erin Elizabeth]

153. No, her parents were so convinced she was going to be

a boy that they had the name Stanley (her dad's name) picked out LONG before she was born and they just kept it and added Anne when they found she was a girl.

Come on, read a little. You'll find out stuff.

[TwilightGardener]

37. How did Kos get a copy of it, and other reporters couldn't?

[blogslut]

46. Magic powers

:)

[slinkerwink]

48. he asked.

[DevonRex]

113. Yep. Just saw that in the comments section on DK. He just asked

the campaign and they gave it to him.

[whistler162]

161. According to KOS he asked Obama's campaign for it.....

who'd a thunk!

[PoliticalAmazon]

42. Is John McCain's BC available? n/t

[saracat]

54. Yes. he had to prove where he was born as well.

[TK421]

59. It is, but the papyrus is really starting to flake away.....

[underpants]

44. JUNIOR!!!!!!!!!

his name is the same as his father

hmmmm I did not know that

[eShirl]

73. "the second," not Jr.

yeah I'm nit-picking :D

[Moochy]

55. Pfft. Hawaii was barely a state then!!

:sarcasm:

[Hope And Change]

66. K & R!

[helderheid]

74. Obama's astrological chart

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=70880&mesg_id=70880

[Lucinda]

75. I'd be surprised if this was a legit copy of a real HI birth cert

There is a lot of info missing from a typical birth certificate.

[SoonerPride]

76. rolleyes

Yes, he's actually a secret Muslim from Iran set her to take over our country.

[Lucinda]

82. Wow...Make assumptions much?

[Thrill]

79. LOL! I assume you're just being sarcastic

[Lucinda]

84. No. I'm not.

I've done a lot of genealogical research over the years. There is a lot of little mundane info that should be on the doc that isn't. Where the birth occurred (hospital, home etc), parents addresses and usual occupations, witness signatures and info, etc.

May very well be legit. But it doesn't appear that way to me.

[Bobbie47]

88. Thats the short birth form

the type I had to use to enroll my daughter in school.

[demokatgurrl]

97. Mine has a lot LESS info.

No race, for example. And I was born a number of years before Obama was. Varies by state, and some states have a few different forms.

[Retrograde]

118. I have 2 copies

well, technically not the birth certificate because that's actually kept by the state, but 2 official certifications of birth. The first is the one they gave my parents when I was born, that has things like their names. The other is a little yellow paper that just says I was born,nothing about parentage, which is what I got when I wrote to the state for a copy, which was good enough to get a marriage license and a passport. This was from New York, btw.

[PBS Poll-435]

83. Where is the length/weight?

:shrug:

[Lucinda]

85. Exactly. Lots of little things that could/should be there that aren't.

And all the cert copies I've seen have full info. Not just a few highlights.

May be legit, but seems like someone is
A) Trying to help O out or
B) Putting something forward that could easily be called a fake to stir up BIG DRAMA.

[Bobbie47]

90. Short form of B.C.

I just got my cert and got the long version with age of parents, what my father and mother did for a living, where we lived. He's showing the one that most schools around here use for enrollment, the one I got for my daughter the short form.

[Midlodemocrat]

95. I have two versions for each of my three kids.

The long version which lists our names and the short one which lists where, when they were born.

Both are legal, and equally accepted when a birth certificate is required.

[papapi]

101. Pffft ..... t ........t ..........t ............tttttttt!!!!

I've seen plenty (working in a college registrar's office) that had only this much information.

[pnwmom]

143. I have seen certificates from four states, and each one has different info.

I've never seen one from Hawaii, much less Hawaii in 1961, have you?

[Erin Elizabeth]

155. You do know that every state has slightly different

birth certificates, right?

I noticed his has every bit of information that's on mine (Texas) and mine has no more than his, either. Exactly the same.

However, my daughter's is from another state (not TX or HI) and has things like our address at the time of the birth, that she was my first birth, etc.

Depends on the state. Have you done geneological research using bcs from all 50 states?

[mainer]

92. see below. No length/weight appears on HI certificates.

At least, not on my son's HI certificate.

[PBS Poll-435]

93. Alrighty then!

I knew someone would know.

My full cert and my vital statistics card from Oregon have a lot more information.

But we are a nation of 50 states.

Thanks for your contribution to the thread~

[PM7nj]

94. It's probably not the original.

I don't have an original birth certificate. I just have a copy and it doesn't have height or weight or even time of birth. :shrug:

[City Lights]

145. Length and weight aren't included on birth certificates here in IL.

I've got three right in front of me and it's not on any of them.

[PBS Poll-435]

160. That's cool

After doing a little state-by-state research, I found that the information provided varies.

[papapi]

98. Social Security lost my original birth certificate (yeah, what idiots) so......

I went to Richmond, VA to get an official copy. My copy only shows the same information as this copy of Obama's from HI.

[Lucinda]

104. I have a copy of mine too. It is a copy of the original with full info

Your's does say where you were born and have a witness signature?

[Adelante]

114. I've gotten copies of mine a few times from NYS

They have minimal information. The original issued, which was black with white letters back then, had more information. One copy I received was white. Another copy I received at a different time was gold. Another was pale marbleized green. You're not going to pin this down, because the states do what they want with birth certificates.

[Willo]

116. Actually in NY you can purchase on or the other

I thought the fee was different but it's not.
The one above is a "short-form" certificate.
You have to indicate "long-form" on the application or by phone to get the detailed certificate.


Next will be the call for DNA testing of him and his children.

[Adelante]

121. It's been a while for me

The current system wouldn't apply in my case. But it does reinforce my point that states use whatever system they want and that system changes over time, so anybody claiming each and every person's bc has the same information is full of it.

"Next will be the call for DNA testing of him and his children." I know, unbelievable :eyes:

[Willo]

125. I ordered a few recently and and got the short-form

I called today and asked how could I get a copy with all of the details.

The woman told me I had to indicate "long-form".

Mind you, no where on the website or in the automated phone infomation is there any mention of having an option.

If you don't know and don't ask you get the short-form.

[Bobbie47]

134. I just got mine

from the state of IL on the internet, i got the option for a long bc or short for my purpose i needed the long, each state may be different.

I had to answer questions only I would know for privacy reasons.

(edit here)
The long version or short version is one of the first questions asked.

[Lucinda]

122. I'm not concerned with the color of the paper. Just the content.

:hi: I've never seen a BC without a certification signature and location of the birth.

[Adelante]

123. Carry on with your debunking of the Democratic nominee's birth certificate

I am sure John McCain will thank you :hi:

[Lucinda]

169. What does Mc Cain have to do with it?

:hi:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

167. When we were going through immigration for my husband, we both had to provide 3 certified copies of

our birth certificates. Mine looked like Obamas, except they were blue. They looked NOTHING like my original birth certificate.

[pnwmom]

141. Unless you're from Hawaii, how would you know?

Plus, this was Hawaii back in 1961. They might have more information in theirs today.

[City Lights]

147. What, no font challenge?

:eyes:

[Erin Elizabeth]

154. Like what? It has every bit of information that's on mine

from the State of Texas. Time of birth, date of birth, place of birth, my name, my parent's names, my gender, and the date it was filed.

What's missing, dude?

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

77. My birth certificate says Honolulu, HI as well :) I just like to brag about that :P

[Lucinda]

86. I'm jealous!

My nephew lives in Maui and I've never been to HI. I'm jealous of him too!

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

89. Eh, I only lived there until I was 4. I don't remember much. I'd like to go back.

The one thing that was kind of cool though, was that my brothers have some pics of the faux Zeros flying over the house while they filmed Tora Tora Tora.

[pnwmom]

144. Someone upthread is claiming that that certificate doesn't look legit.

That it doesn't contain "enough" info.

Since you have a Hawaiian birth certificate, what do you think?

[mainer]

91. Hawaii Birth Certificates

I just looked at the Hawaii birth certificate for my son. (He was born in '84, quite a few years after Obama's, so of course things have changed since '61.)

There's no birth weight or length listed.
It was signed and filed three days after his birth.

It does have more information than Obama's does (e.g. addresses of parents, obstetrician's name, and hospital address.)

[Jersey Devil]

100. According to hillaryis44, HI may not be a state

LOL, check this out:

"It has been pointed out to me that prior to 1986, someone born abroad was a U.S. citizen only if both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of the child’s birth. Since Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen (he was Kenyan), he actually cannot claim citizenship by jus sanguinis, only by jus soli with Hawaii considered a state. Again, I still don’t think this will have any actual effect on his eligibility, since the U.S. considers Hawaii a state, but in fact if you follow the legal argument that Hawaii is an occupied country and the U.S. has never legally acquired Hawaii, the logical consequence is that Obama is not a natural-born citizen by either place or parentage, and is not actually eligible for the presidency."

Those people at hillaryis44 are batshit crazy.

:silly:

[KamaAina]

108. Oh, so that's why she kept dissing caucus states (like ours).

:eyes:

[jillan]

105. Good try! But that is not legit.

A real birth certificate has signatures on it of the parent, and I believe the Doc.
It has the length and weight of the baby; and a seal from the state.

[DevonRex]

106. You MIGHT just want to look at some of the posts above. nt

[DevonRex]

112. dailykos got it from the Obama campaign. It IS legit. nt

[jillan]

164. I hope it is. I would love to see this bs put to rest.

[papapi]

135. You're really full of it. This is most certainly a legitimate birth certificate.

I have one that looks just like it but mine is from VA. This is a copy issued by the correct department of the state government. I've seen thousands of birth certificates issued by ALL the states and several foreign countries working in a college Registrar's office. Get over it.

[Bobbie47]

142. One parent signs the bc

No length or weight on my birth certificate. Just I was a live birth and at what time. If i was a single, twin or triplet.

The Certificate of Birth is:

Certified by the County Clerk of the county of Birth with his or her signature.
the seal is embossed and you can feel it if you hold it in your hands.

[pnwmom]

148. Not in every state. n/t

[Bobbie47]

151. OK, fair enough my mom

signed mine and I signed my daughters. Illinois only has one line so I guess that why only one signature.

Each state may be different or maybe it's the hospital we were born at the same one.

[pnwmom]

146. A "real" birth certificate varies by year and state.

None of our family members has a birth certificate that is signed by a parent.

And you've implied that Obama's lacks a state seal, though it clearly has one at the top.

[City Lights]

150. Another Internet birth certificate eggspurt.

:eyes:

[Erin Elizabeth]

158. Ha! EVERY state is DIFFERENT.

Do you guys understand there are FIFTY states?

I've seen birth certificates from seven different states and the all varied. But my Texas one doesn't have a single signature. My daughter's (from another state) has no signature, either.

But my husband's (yet another state) has TWO signatures.

People need to remember that every state does this slightly differently.

[madeline_con]

107. Rumors from morans. n/t

[SwampG8r]

110. august fourth?

mines august sixth

[DevonRex]

111. In the comments section in dailykos, Kos says he simply asked

the Obama campaign for a copy and they gave it to him. So now we know the source of the certificate is legit.

[zulchzulu]

115. New RW talking point:

OK, so Obama was born on August 4th. Then the question is WHY the form was verified on August 8th??? :crazy:

[TexasObserver]

117. Next the GOP will want Obama to go on Maury with his grandmother to prove he's half white.

It's always going to be something with them. I get new made up shit from the GOP types twice weekly. Just got a new fabrication, same old shit - an email that is attributed to some General, warning of all the dire secret things Obama is going to implement (like take IN GOD WE TRUST off the money).

The GOP is evil. Dirty tricks is their primary election tool. That includes dissemination of disinformation, suppressing the vote, and stealing votes.

They're going to keep making up shit about Obama, just like they did with this topic.

[kpete]

124. McSame's Birth Certificate

Thought lost for the ages, the document was found in a clay jar, in an abandoned cave, on the outskirts of Sedona, by a shepherd boy in 1947. The desert climate and the dry atmosphere in the caves kept the parchment remarkably well preserved.

Unfortunately, the language on the document is in Essene, a language which has been dead for about 1,900 years. So, much like a lot of Senator McCain's modern-day speeches, press releases, and interviews, nobody can really comprehend what it says.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/15046/0204/144/534792

[jenmito]

127. I posted this on another board and they claimed a "Cetification of Live Birth" is not the

same as a Birth Certificate. There's a RW site trying to debunk this as insufficient. :eyes:

ETA link: http://www.suitablyflip.com/suitably_flip/2008/06/kos-tries-to-pa.html

[City Lights]

128. Look around. It's just not RW sites doing it.

:eyes:

[jenmito]

132. True. But these people are most likely RWers

coming here pretending to be Dems.

[City Lights]

136. True dat.

:-)

[jenmito]

139. :-)

:)

[SoonerPride]

129. Fuck the reich wing.

If all they've got to blather about is doubting if Obama is an American, then we win in a landlside of historic proportions.

People are upset about $4 gas and two wars and no healthcare.

They don't give a flying fig about this nonsense.

They are scared and their stink of fear amuses me.

[jenmito]

133. I agree...

and these people aren't going to vote for Obama anyway.

[pnwmom]

149. My state has a long form and a short form. Apparently Hawaii has something

similar.

And the short form contains everything necessary to prove that Obama is a citizen, which is the whole point of the exercise.

[Erin Elizabeth]

159. Why? That's what my daughter's is called.

Sheesh.

[pnwmom]

140. So after all that, his mom was the only one with a funny name.

"Stanley Ann."

;)

[high density]

162. Aww, that shut downs that right wing whine

What's next, National Review? The media is waiting for their next orders.

[sfam]

165. Wew!!! Good thing its not a Certification of DEAD Birth...

I would hate to have "Obama is a Vampire" rumours floating around...

[muryan]

168. In many states you would get something just like this

If you requested a copy of your BC. No one is claiming this is the original, but this is just as good as far as the government is concerned.

BTW the new right-wing meme is that this was photoshopped to change his fathers race from "white" to "african". (A new born wanted in on affirmative action that at the time didnt exist)

I only mention it because its a matter of hours before it hits here