PUMA leader on MSNBC now

[TheDonkey]

and she's batshit crazy.

Says she cannot see Obama as president, has looked at his platform and is not interested (yet agrees it is very similiar to Clinton's), and is "open" to voting for McCain, would not vote Obama if Hillary was VP. What a loon.

A shame but not a surprise that cable news is propping these sad, egomaniacal, bitter people up, which probably number in the dozens.

[Coexist]

1. as a woman of a certain age...

PUMA is a little too close to cougar for a woman's organization, if you ask me.

[polichick]

8. I thought the same thing - but are all the members women?

[TheDonkey]

13. I have heard there are some gay men in it too

according to After Elton they did a report. But didn't actually "show" anyone so who knows if that is even true. :puke:

[FourPieRun]

41. seems like gay men would favor obama.

[papapi]

81. Uh.... no, many gay men have problems with Obama . . .

namely, Donnie McClurkin and they view his 'civil unions' but not 'marriage' stance as Jim Crow.

[hokies4ever]

85. Well, who are they going to vote for then?

Presidential elections are all about taking as much of the middle ground as possible. It's only a feasible 2-party system.

[papapi]

88. Hey, don't jump me. I'm a gay man who has supported Obama from the beginning.

I wouldn't dare ask that question on the GLBTQ forum. Actually, I don't go there much anymore. It's a very hostile environment, in my opinion.:shrug:

[hokies4ever]

105. Asking a question = jumping you?

Sorry, that wasn't my intent. Hope that you took no offense. :hug: :patriot:

[papapi]

108. No offense taken. I spent to much time . . .

reading GLBTQ forum once trying to understand WHY to posters there were so pro Hillary and so con Obama. I never did make much sense of it. :hug: :pals:
I don't go there anymore.

[SwampG8r]

113. since you are a gay man may i ask a question?

since marriage is a religious institution why is there a fuss about civil unions?
my marriage was performed by the church but my union was registered with the government
no religious rite need be done for a civil wedding and in fact is, imo, outlawed under the 1st amendment
so any "marriage" the government acknowledges is in fact a civil union
so why the fuss?

im not being obtuse i just dont understand how this causes the feeling of jim crow

[papapi]

120. I think the answer is . . .

somehow a civil union will not grant all the same rights as a marriage would. I agree up to a certain point with that, because if it remains strictly a state's rights issue then federal benefits will not be included. California had a system set up for recognition of civil unions (domestic partnerships). This granted most but not all the same rights to same gender couples as married couples. And opposite gender couples did not need to register. This does seem to me to be 'separate but equal' which is never equal.

I'm not in favor of same gender marriage. I support the abolition of marriage in all our laws and putting marriage back in the religious institutions. I know this will never happen in my life time, but it's the way I feel.

Marriage started as a pagan ceremony which was adopted by religions and eventual became a construct of the state. It should be relegated back to religion or any group that wishes to perform ceremonies of marriage.

My partner and I have been together for nearly eighteen years. We've never felt it necessary to have a marriage ceremony and wouldn't do so even if our locality allowed it. Neither of us have any children so that might affect our decision if it were so. When I entered the hospital recently, I made it clear that he was the only one they could contact in case something happened. I have no first degree living relatives and he only has his mother in the first degree. My will is written to leave everything to him so I don't see any necessity for a marriage. I own the house (no mortgage) where we will be living in another month.

[SwampG8r]

129. thank you very much

for an insightful answer
i hadnt considered the federal implications and now i shall
i try to learn something every day and today i got done early
maybe i will learn something else

[NorthCarolina]

42. There are gay's in the GOP as well, but nothing significant

As a general rule most gays are self respecting and hold to liberal principles that even the Democratic Party in its present incarnation doesn't live up to. However there are of course a few exceptions to every rule.

[papapi]

89. gay repugnantcan is an oxymoron.

Log Closet Repugnantcans? Right.

[NorthCarolina]

93. Not sure about the "Oxy" part

but that last part, yeah.

[Coexist]

14. I don't know -

I guess I just assumed most of them are. All the 'protest photos' I have seen of them are all women.

[IowaGirl]

59. There are quite a few husbands to go with the angry women.

[JerseygirlCT]

80. That's what I was thinking, too.

Would someone adopt that name for themselves willingly?

[PCIntern]

2. Was that not the weirdest thing you've seen in, say...

20 minutes?

she's a liar and a disruptor. she had nothing to say which made sense.

[TheDonkey]

6. she looked completely brainwashed/deer in headlights

just talking complete nonsense. I have no idea why she was allowed on that sound stage. Well... besides that she took up 3 minutes that MSNBC didn't have to cover ACTUAL news.

[polichick]

3. Just a poor loser - I'm sick of these women...

...and the men too! (Think Bill.)

[ellacott]

5. I'm sick of the media giving these people a platform

[Poll_Blind]

29. Amen! Me too!

PB

[newmajority]

4. There's two words that shouldn't be used together.

"PUMA" and "leader". Those fucking brainwashed sheep couldn't lead their way out of a wet paper bag.

[berni_mccoy]

7. WTH is PUMA?

[polichick]

9. Party Unity My Ass

[rodeodance]

96. its People United Means Action

[newmajority]

106. And in further news, the KKK has also changed their name

To the "Kute Kitty Klub"



White kittehs only of course. They are still racists, after all.
Just trying to improve their media image with the "kinder gentler" name.....

[SwampG8r]

114. and the american nazi party

is now the american nicety party

[SOS]

135. Looks like these Pumas didn't get the name change memo:

Party Unity, My Ass

http://www.puma08.com/

[newmajority]

136. Maybe someone should call this guy and give him the news?

Registrant:
Emmanuel Efremov
517 Beachway Drive
Indianapolis, Indiana 46224
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: PUMA08.COM
Created on: 14-Jun-08
Expires on: 14-Jun-09
Last Updated on: 14-Jun-08

Administrative Contact:
Efremov, Emmanuel [e-mail]
517 Beachway Drive
Indianapolis, Indiana 46224
United States
[phone]

Technical Contact:
Efremov, Emmanuel [e-mail]
517 Beachway Drive
Indianapolis, Indiana 46224
United States
[phone]

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.DREAMHOST.COM
NS2.DREAMHOST.COM
NS3.DREAMHOST.COM


And who is Emmanuel Efremov? Damned if I know, but apparently he owns at least 100 web domains and is somehow tied to the pharmaceutical industry.

http://whois.domaintools.com/natafod.com

[TheDonkey]

10. The bitter brigade of fmr Hillary supporters not supporting Obama. "Party Unity My Ass"

:puke:

[berni_mccoy]

15. It's so effing laughable. I think they must be repukes parading as disgruntled Hillary supporters.

PUMA is a little too close to Cougar.

[roseBudd]

139. They are the former low computer skills, low information fan girls & boys from HRC's official blog..

They can't view PDFs because their computer's are stupid, have problems with registering for a site and love to fax, & email SDs & snailmail flip flops to the Obama campaign, get well cards to the DNC, flowers for Hillary and "blog" from the minute they wake up until they go to bed.

Goodnight John Boy
Goodnight Mary Ellen

You get the idea.

http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/06/28/many-now-terrified-of-new-puma-menace/#comments

1 bythelake on 06.28.08 at 7:53 am Good morning, still ready, get ready for a new day!

#2 bythelake on 06.28.08 at 7:55 am lalala….all by myself…….

#3 prplvette85 on 06.28.08 at 7:55 am Good morning, I am ready!

#4 SparkForHill on 06.28.08 at 7:57 am Morning Pumas,
Today is a new begining!

#5 prplvette85 on 06.28.08 at 7:57 am today is the Taste of Chicago, it lasts until July 5th. I am going to pass out Puma flyers when I go. Printed out 200

#6 bythelake on 06.28.08 at 8:00 am I’ve been up for hours reading last nights posts…wow, full of good things to do.

I watched newsclips, I read articles, I cringed over Hillary standing next to BHO, but today is another day and I will face it head on.

Will have my fingers typing away today. The media will probably block my isp…oh wait, I can write from two locations!

Go PUMAS

[PCIntern]

12. Peculiar Undersea Mammals Attack...n/t

[Coexist]

16. Pretty Underwear Models Anonymous??

[PCIntern]

18. Not from what I've seen!

:rofl:

[Adelante]

35. Take a look

http://pumaaction.com/

[jkshaw]

47. WesDem -- or anyone

Do you know if that protest planned by PUMA actually occurred? I haven't heard anything about it, didn't know it was even planned until I read WesDem's link to PUMA.

From what I read down thread, the woman was a Republican apparently before she signed on for Clinton. She herself will be no loss; I hope not too many Clinton supporters are dumb enough to fall in with her.

[Adelante]

50. I actually know people dumb enough, a very few

But I don't know if the protest took place. I saw a Hillary for President sign, so I thought it might have, but I don't know. It was at the back edge of the crowd from the stage. Mind you, I have only CNNI, so I don't always see the same television everyone else is seeing. This was a short live clip shown very briefly, quite a while before Clinton and Obama arrived, and before the channel went live to the event. I didn't see any such signage in the crowd then.

[JVS]

55. Or just look around here, there are plenty who make very little effort to conceal it

[Adelante]

68. The goal hasn't changed

PUMA wants to get Clinton nominated. They still think they can do it. The primaries are not at all over for them. But I still say they are a tiny minority that's getting tinier with every day that passes.

[iconicgnom]

132. Strange, their sites are 100% pro-McCain oriented, and

the only use that they have for Hillary Clinton that I can see is as a gross caricature to hide behind while they piss on the Democratic party. None of the posts or tracts of theirs that I've read showed even a remote progressive and/or feminist sense.

But then, why should I be surprised. These are Republicans, after all, doing what Republicans do so well - lying thru' their asses.

[Adelante]

134. Don't kid yourself

They use McCain to devalue Obama's nomination. It's about August, not November, no matter who they eventually vote for. I know a number of PUMAs and they are Democrats.

[IowaGirl]

60. People United Means Action

It's a PAC.

[newmajority]

99. They changed the name already?

Did they also drop the logo that they stole from the shoe company?

[iconicgnom]

133. It's a anti-Dem, anti-Obama 527. The concentrated essence of Rove.

[me b zola]

71. petty unhinged malevolent asshats

[papapi]

74. Pathetic Uppity Maverick Also-rans

[dorkulon]

76. Puke-worthy Undercover McCain Activists

[papapi]

78. Parsimonious Usurping Meddlesome Agitators

[papapi]

82. Party Until Man Arrives

[papapi]

92. Particularly Unpleasant Media Anomaly

[SwampG8r]

115. puke ugly major assholes

[Starbucks Anarchist]

116. Purely Useless Motherfucking Assholes.

[papapi]

123. Poop Uttering Meaningless Assertions

[jgraz]

138. Pudgy Unwed Matronly Asshats.

[ErinBerin84]

11. heh

Did anyone read that article on the Huffington Post a month ago called "My Own Reverend Wright"? It was about a Hillary Clinton supporter (who was turning to Obama when Obama got the nomination) who had gone through the primary with one of the PUMA founders as friends, watching the debates and all of that. He talked about how embarassed he was that someone he knew founded PUMA and how he was really afraid that "his name would come up" as someone being associated with this person, and said that when he found out that this "friend" had met McCain over the weekend and gotten along very well with him, it was like the Reverend Wright National Press moment. The article was pretty funny.

ah, here it is


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-shrake/my-own-reverend-wright_b_107501.html

[Umbram]

17. These people are only interested in attention - it is beyond obvious

that they stand for nothing in particular.

[depakid]

19. Even if these few pople didn't exist, the corporate media would find some facsimile

and prop them up.

Just as they've done with global warming and creationism.

[TheDonkey]

21. I agree. MSM producers are likely combing craigslist to find these crazies

and fly them in just like Jerry Springer.

[mzmolly]

27. Yet they largely ignore Bob Barr.

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/

[ReadTomPaine]

20. They have already endorsed their new candidate..

[frylock]

36. sweet!

he flies like a moron!

[ReadTomPaine]

37. I wondered how long it would take for a reply!

:thumbsup:

[ErinBerin84]

22. haha

The person who came on right after said that he wanted to remind the PUMA leader (in addition to the country needs to get on the right track thing) about how someone asked John McCain "How do we beat the b--" in a Town hall meeting, and McCain thought it was a big joke!"

[mzmolly]

23. Well, it's wonderful that MSNBC took the time to squeeze her in.

:eyes:

I expect they'll be talking to disgruntled Huckabee voters next?

[newmajority]

31. Well, at least if the disgruntled Hucksterfans go to Bob Barr's camp

...they wouldn't be betraying what they claim to believe in. Unlike these Hillbot "PUMAs".

[mzmolly]

38. Only if they know he's running.

;)

[Vinca]

24. I don't understand how people can be such dim bulbs.

Given the similarities in the Obama and Clinton policies, voting for McCain is supporting the exact opposite. Just heard Wolfie on CNN pimping these idiots. Another MSM fauxnewsgasm.

[CakeGrrl]

25. The MSM couldn't let the Dems' "Unity" kickoff go without a counterpoint

Equal time, fair and balanced.

:eyes:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

26. P.U.M.A = R.A.C.I.S.T

They can justify it however they want. That's what it is.

[Blondbostonian]

28. Darragh Murphy gave money to McCain back in 2000

She gave $500 to McCain and 0 to Gore.

She did give money to Clinton this year which is the first time that's happened with a Democrat according to the FEC site.

In other words, she's a fraud and hardly a Democrat.

[FourPieRun]

44. right; anybody that doesn't like Obama is a racist. keep saying that if you want him to lose. nt

[mrreowwr_kittty]

45. Thanks for sharing your concern. nt

[Richard Steele]

61. What a ridiculous strawman statement.

Get over it already.

[Moochy]

73. And tombstoned!

lol

[AlinPA]

30. What do the letters PUMA mean?

[ErinBerin84]

32. Party Unity My Ass

[newmajority]

34. Disgruntled Hillbots claiming "Party Unity My Ass"

You can find them on some other boards which Capitalize on Hillbot hysteria.

[AlinPA]

48. Thanks. Couldn't find it anywhere. nt

[rodeodance]

63. People United Means Action

[John Q. Citizen]

128. Hard core action or soft core?

[PatGund]

66. Originally:

"Party Unity My Ass". Now they've sanitized it to "People United Means Action"

[blogslut]

72. Don't forget the porn

Click the link in my sig to find out ;)

[newmajority]

131. No fucking way!!!!

First Jimmy Gannon Guckert. Then Rod Majors. Now this PUMA Porn??


Pornographic
Use of
My
Assets!!!!

[papapi]

84. Persons Undermining Major Advancement

[papapi]

86. Procuring Undesirable Media Attention

[papapi]

91. Practically Unknown Mental Aberration

[blondeatlast]

111. Pissy Utterly Malevolent Anuses. nt

[papapi]

121. Perverted Underlings Masking Anger

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. I bet it's the same people that were behind that C.U.N.T. 527

[Ian David]

39. PUMA or MILF? n/t

[PCIntern]

40. MIWLF..is more like it...

When she screams "DICK!" she means Nixon...

[JVS]

57. MIRCMFDOAHGUIDFTF

[Thrill]

43. How the hell can you be a credible news station and put people like this on

Anyone can start a website. If I started one now RepuclicanswhohateMcCain. Can I get on the show?

[rodeodance]

64. cbs evening news also tonight.

[Yukari Yakumo]

75. Again, how the hell can you be a credible news station and put people like this on {nt}

uguu

[rodeodance]

94. i am not a news station.

[Danger Mouse]

95. yes you are! admit it, rodeodance!

[rodeodance]

97. LOL

[Danger Mouse]

101. CNBC! I knew it!

The jig is up!

[rodeodance]

102. ah, if you say so, it must be....

:silly:

[Danger Mouse]

103. I lead elves AND Scientologists. I'm pretty much a minor diety.

Yeah, I have that kind of power.

[rodeodance]

140. th he.

[SwampG8r]

117. dude

do it
totally

[TeamJordan23]

46. Do they even have a website? nm

[TheKentuckian]

49. I see there lame ass talking points

used by some here.

Not the uber-stupid ones so much but the general crap that they started spewing.

Obama is an empty suit.
Obama is too liberal but Hillary is just peachy (ignoring the near carbon copy platform).
Obama is a misogynist.
Democracy was overthrown and the will of the people was overridden.


Retarded.

[MoonRiver]

51. Here:

http://blog.pumapac.org/

[ErinBerin84]

53. god. I can't. believe. I. clicked. that.

"What a farce. Rude, crude, and totally unacceptable Senator Obama. Sitting while she speaks?"

It's called stagecraft ,brainiacs. It is not appropriate to tower over the person who is talking.


Never mind, why am I acting as if PUMA talking points should have logic?

[PatGund]

70. Don't worry about it.

If Sen. Obama announced a cure for cancer, PUMA and their few supporters would be citing it as "Sen. Obama wants to deny chemotherapy to patients".

Nobody has managed to explain why on earth someone would be so *stupid* to claim support for a person and the principals that person stands for, yet go against everything that person stands for AND THAT PERSON'S EXPRESS STATED WISHES, DESIRES, AND REQUESTS!!

It would be amusing if it wasn't so sad and pathetic. They will literally scan everything Sen. Clinton says or does, go frame by frame though footage, and then say things like "See! At 31 minutes and 12 seconds, she turns 1/4th of an inch away from Sen. Obama and looks like she just got goosed by an Oompa Loompa. This SHOWS she doesn't mean what she just said about getting behind him! SEE!! SEE!! SEE!!!! YOU SEE IT TOO, RIGHT!?!?"

And then of course, about 30 other people all voice their agreement that they saw the samething, backed up with 60 sock puppets, and eventually "LowQuarter", "Hillis404", or one of the other echo chambers all voice their agreement that this is "proof" that everything Sen. Clinton is saying about "Party Unity" and "getting behind Sen. Obama" is meaningless and what she REALLY means is to rise, fight on and vote for anyone else in November. All in her name, mind you.

[Raine]

69. YUCK

:puke: I feel dirty after going there. :yoiks:

[MidwestTransplant]

52. How do these idiots get airtime. They number like 10 people at most.

[BrotherBuzz]

54. They can get twenty-five together on a good night....

They hold meetings at Tupperware® parties.

[SwampG8r]

118. and one of them is in this post

defending them
tightrope walking all day long

[TheDonkey]

56. Off topic: David Gregory on MSNBC trying to desperately slame Unity rally today

Pat "Exotic" Buchannon tried to praise the unity rally and questioned why McCain cannot get this with the right wingers and Gregory screeches about how there are still many cracks in the relationship and this is just theater.

WTF?? Does he have a personal relationship with Hillary or is he just MAKING SHIT UP.

I'll be emailing him

[ErinBerin84]

58. Gregory turned into NBC's favorite corporate prostitute.

Jesus, Gregory, Pat is sounding reasonable and you are the screechy one? Something to be proud of. What was his problem with the unity rally? I kind of have a feeling, since I've been hearing the same manufactured "concerns" from the MSM all day.

[TheDonkey]

67. He wasn't making any real points. Just remarking that "there are cracks" and somehow alluding that

this PUMA type anti-unity thing is "bad news" for Obama. What the hell. This was a fabulous event that even Buchanon couldn't spew hate on and Gregory was spinning like a top. This is why we need KO and Maddow on the air to stop this bullshit repuke spin.

[Peacetrain]

62. I don't mean to be crude..but aren't you glad that they

are on the other side.. they fit so much better with the zealots that now populate the republican party..there is not enough political balm in this world or the next to soothe those hurt feelings.. its not about moving the party forward..getting people elected.. its all about them.. they are taking their ball and going home..

[jonnyblitz]

65. every time I go to a disgruntled Hillary supporter group site

where they claim to be voting for McCain all the links provided go to right wing news sites such as Newsmax that (((hate))) the Clintons. :crazy: this is some loony shit that makes NO SENSE.

[dorkulon]

77. And the hundreds of comments are from the same twenty people.

It's easy to look like a "movement" on the internet-tubes.

[Canuckistanian]

79. These people need to wither and die on the vine

I really don't think there are too many of them, but they're not too interested in good governance if they obsess this much over their cult of personality.

Good riddance.

[Name removed]

87. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Mooney]

90. I agree with the premise of your post.

[Doctor_J]

83. That's mostly a made-for-TV group

I ouldn't be surprised if some GOP fat cat is bankrolling them.

[newmajority]

100. Or possibly CIA black ops

That fucking terrorist training drug smuggling Bush Crime Family thug Larry Johnson is one of them, by their own admission.

[Danger Mouse]

98. These drooling morons aren't even worth getting angry at.

[jillan]

104. Just because YOU don't agree with her, doesn't make her 'batshit crazy'.

I am one of those people that believe

PEOPLE SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN FEELINGS.

It's not your job to tell someone what to think.

[TheDonkey]

107. Yes, and Bush or Cheney is not batshit crazy either

:sarcasm:

People are "ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN FEELINGS" and I am entitled to discuss what I think about those feelings. She is batshit crazy if she agrees with the policies and platform of Hillary yet is now publicly thinking about voting McCain which shares NO similarities to her.

But she was likely just a repuke to begin with.

[papapi]

109. I don't have a job. I my opinion, all the P.U.M.A. members are . . .

bat shit crazy. Am I entitled to those feelings?

[SwampG8r]

119. pustular urgent manure agitators

[newmajority]

110. If you are willing to subject this country to McLoon so you can vote for Hillary in 2012

Then yes, you are indeed BATSHIT CRAZY!

[blondeatlast]

112. So both you and we are entitled to YOUR opinion, but WE aren't entitled to our own?

Pissy Utterly Malevolent Anuses.

[last_texas_dem]

127. Certainly they have a *right* to their opinions

And I have a right to believe that any "Democrat" open to voting for John McCain is either a tool or just not particularly intelligent.

BTW, how is judging someone on the basis of the views that they express telling them what to think, anyway?

[snowbear]

122. I hate to bump this thing up.. but I HAVE to ask. Why give "PUKA" a thread here?

I mean, aren't we giving them free publicity anytime someone starts a thread here?

From what I've heard of them, they don't deserve the recognition.

Geez, I feel like crap that I even kicked this thread up.

[papapi]

125. Uh . . . so we can kick 'em around just a bit?

[TheDonkey]

137. well that's a conundrum.

But I thought DU was a place to "vent" when the MSM is up to their tricks. That is why I made this post. I was so disgusted by what I was seeing on the screen and I am glad many other DUers agree that this PUMA crap is a ridiculous media driven distraction.

[Hekate]

124. Is anyone in the blogosphere researching whether these people were EVER Democrats? I smell Rove. nt

[papapi]

126. Uh . . . yeah, two or three of them were . . .

does paula abeles ring a bell? You might want to take a look at this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6372851&mesg_id=6372851

[LowerManhattanite]

130. Hey, every once in a while the MSM gives Fred Phelps airtime too...

...and these idiots and their fellow travelers down the road of insanity are a lefty-lite equivalent of Phelps' crazy talk.

Fuck 'em.