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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 11:48 AM
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An Open Letter to Sen Obama: Act PREMPTIVELY to stop another stolen election in 08
Edited on Sun Jul-27-08 11:49 AM by debbierlus
Dear Sen Obama

The American people stand with you. We know a McCain Presidency is just another term for the continuation of the dangerous & failed policies of the Bush administration. We have lived in fear of our government for years, and the collective voice of our dissent has fallen on deaf ears. We put our hope in you. We will work for you. We will speak out against the lies that the right wing fear machine throws at you, and we will burn down the Straw Men they build to create the illusion of your weakness. And, we will finance your campaign.

We will do all of this...

However, we must ask, no, I am sorry, we must DEMAND that you address the issue that most threatens your chance of taking the Presidency. It is the gigantic elephant in the room. It is election fraud. And, if you ignore it now, you put your opportunity of taking the Presidency at dire risk.

It has become an indisputable fact that Al Gore won the 2000 election. However, due to Sen Kerry's refusal to fight back against the theft in Ohio in 04, it is far less known that 2004 election was also stolen by the Republicans. There is overwhelming evidence that the 2004 election results were rigged. And, it was not just confined to Ohio, the Republicans fingers were on the scale across this nation. Just read The John Conyers Report on the 2004 Election, What Went Wrong in Ohio. Or, read the Bradblog. Or, anything by Greg Palast. And, take a look at the statistical analysis from major universities. A simple google search will provide all the facts necessary to show that this is a reality, not a crazy conspiracy theory by those who are 'sore losers'. And, ignoring it will not make it go away.

We have no doubt that in an honest election, your victory will be a landslide. Given that we have had two Presidential elections corrupted by the right wing through voter suppression, privatization of voting machines to companies with highly conflict of interest (Remember, O'dell, Diebold Head, stating he was committed to delivering Ohio's votes to Republicans in 04?), purging of voting roles, and ridiculous challenges to democratic voters in key swing states, not to mention the deliberate short changing of voting machines to democratic districts in Ohio's minority neighboorhoods....Given all of this, it is ESSENTIAL that we develop a plan now to STOP another stolen election and put a plan in place for all eventualities (including a cancelled election, if there should happen to be a terrorist incident near the election - Bush has given himself the power to declare martial law and he has included in this provision that Congress have no say in the decision - what then?).

Sen. Obama, you must LEAD on this issue. You must not only vow to fight any election result that stinks of manipulation and rigged results, you must act PREMPTIVELY to stop it before the November election. This should include having ALL democratic voters verify their names on the voters list, and providing specific instructions on how to handle vote challenges and other tactics to stop democrat votes from being counted. But, above all, you must speak out about it, NOW. You must let the Republicans know you will not allow them to thwart our election process and usurp the will of the people. It is your duty.

And, we have your back...

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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:02 PM
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1. Agreed. This is surely in the works again for 08
A computer programmer told me that it is very difficult to determine if a computer is rigged because a programmer can write programs that work for the day or for the task and then erase themselves.

He also said that anyone doing this would face charges of treason? I'd like to know more about the facts and encourage others to share what they have learned. Thanks.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:28 PM
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2. BS talking point MARS your letter. McAuliffe's DNC was at fault for never securing election
proces in the FOUR FOCKING YEARS after 2000stheft, and THAT is why Kerry ended up the day after election with NO LEGAL CASE to make in court, and the Dem party's legal election team would not go into any courtroom with no case and no evidence.

Blaming Kerry was always INCREDIBLY STUPID because it assured that the appropriate blame would never be assigned, as the RNC and GOP officials in various states spent FOUR YEARS employing a variety of tactics against Dem voters, including setting up their system to rig the electronic machines.

Thoe of you who only know how to point the finger at the one guy who DID his job during that election made sure the Dem party had its excuse for doing NOTHING for the four years before election day as the RNC worked to steal 2002 and 2004.


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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 03:50 PM
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6. Sorry. I was writing the Kerry campaign EVERY day

Begging them to act on this -

They did NOTHING.

Kerry promised he would ensure every vote was counted. He didn't even BEGIN to fight.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 04:23 PM
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10. You wrote Kerry for FOUR YEARS after 2000s theft instead of the DNC and state Dem parties?
Edited on Sun Jul-27-08 04:40 PM by blm
Then that shows that YOU still don't understand HOW the election was stolen. Did you blame Siegelman and Cleland, too?

According to YOUR assumptions, then DNC and Dem party officials state by state are SUPPOSED to wait until we have a Dem nominee to counter election fraud.

Wow.....what happened in 2002? No election fraud there....Dem's need to sit on their hands and wait till we know WHO the Dem nominee is 5 months before election day so HE can try and counter the four years of fraud being set up by the RNC and GOP state officials ....right? Why HAVE a Dem party in those states or a DNC, anyway?

BTW - did you write McAuliffe every day after 2000s theft? 2002?

Waited for spring of 2004, didja? Did the GOPs? Did the RNC?
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:15 PM
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20. **crickets**
They seem to disappear when that question is asked.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 04:55 PM
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15. I agree DLC sabotaged assuming Hillary was to be their annoited leader.
Kerry had the goods on BCCI, something that Bill clinton swept under the rug for his friend/financier Jackson Stephenson. Blame Carville and his band of "million dollar assholes" (as FDL calls them)
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:51 PM
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3. I hope that you sent this to Obama!
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:51 PM
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4. It's too late for '08.
The dems should have been addressing this issue after the '00 & '04 elections. Why haven't they? :banghead: If Obama doesn't win by a landslide, it will be stolen again.

No electronic voting. No scanners. No electronic tabulators. Once the votes are digitized, they can be manipulated.

Help America Vote Act = Help America Vote Republican Act
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:54 PM
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5. We need nothing less than a mass movement apparently, yikes
Sorry to hear that it's too late. Seems like there should be some way to protect computers from those programs or allowing repukes near them, unless of course other repukes are allowing them near them. For sure that is not the case in all precincts.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 03:54 PM
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7. It isn't to late. But, Obama will have to have the courage to address it

Call them on their game. Enlist mass volunteers to monitor & volunteer at polls. Put out a national message for every democratic voter to check their voter registration.

How about volunteers double checking BEFORE the election, the number of voting machines allotted per precinct and putting up a holy stink, if they are not distributed evenly amongst districts?

There are things that can be done. However, they MUST be done NOW.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 04:26 PM
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12. Dem nominees known by summer of an election year are supposed to ADD this to their duties
now, because the Dem party infrastructure and state by state party machines are NO LONGER RESPONSIBLE for securing the election process every day for 4 years like they used to.

Now, we're being told that we have to wait till the presidential election and till we know who the Dem nominee is and THEN add that to THEIR campaign duties, dontchaknow?
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 04:00 PM
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8. Deb, I have no doubt in my mind that Obama has a plan for this.
IT is inconceivable to me that he wouldn't. He wouldn't risk losing this thing. He's too smart and he's got very smart people around him. You support him because of these very qualities. You've just got to have faith on this question. So far, he's not disappointed and he won't now.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 04:20 PM
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9. This isn't a plan he can keep secret - in order to stave off a theft, he needs to confront it

I have heard nothing from him, as of yet.

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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 04:43 PM
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13. Perhaps he doesn't want to reveal his strategy.
If he did, the repubs would change theirs.

Let's give him a little credit for being smart enough to figure this out. I think we'll see moves on his part to insure the credibility of the election process in future days. Just wait.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 04:23 PM
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11. I don't think Senator Obama's team is naive, They beat a Clinton. Don't worry about them.
They aren't another Kerry.

Obama's team is gonna kick some butt come November.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 04:44 PM
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14. Yep, their campaign song "signed, sealed, delivered" isn't a coincidence! n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:07 AM
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17. Kerry beat Bush and Rove at their strongest point. It was DNC that let RNC steal that
election as they collapsed party infrastructure in many states like Florida and Ohio so they could NOT perform in any way that could successively counter the many tactics employed by the GOP machine every day for four years, gaining control of the election process in those states at every level where the votes are allowed, cast and counted.

What Obama has is Dean at the head of the DNC who rebuilt the infrastructures of those long neglected states.

Kerry and ANY Dem nominee in 2004 was stuck with the result of the four year stewardship of Terry McAuliffe. A loyalist who was never interested in any Dem victory in 2002 or 2004 as his sights were set only on Hillary2008.

Those who target Kerry for the blame really don't know much about HOW election fraud occurs, and especially how it occurs institutionally. Do none of you understand the Siegelman case?
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:15 PM
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21. Exactly
Hearing more crickets after this post. :thumbsup:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:20 PM
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16. Someone should simplify the math
picture. The range of numbers of suppressed votes listed according to the various GOP effected causes. The range of estimates of vote tampering. The range of estimates of tabulation totals tampering.

State by state with examples of known occurrences to back them all up.

The effect of constant overriding media skew on behalf of the GOP. the use and abuse of opinion polls and the "adjusting" of exit polls to the official tabulations. The estimated cost in seats, in mandates, and the parallel increase of more planned threats to voting integrity which virtually all favor the GOP who come to own all ends of the process and ultimately the legislation and conduct itself.

The number of nations facing similar concerns and their actions to regain legitimate democracy. The chart of decline in democracy in rigged nations and the increase of entrenched totalitarian power. The abominable counter example of the Ukraine when rooked Dems lined up for the CIA backed freedom candidate based on the exact criteria they could never imagine using in their own self defense.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:22 AM
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18. The Neocon Election Stealing Machine (tm) is finely tuned and in place -
There were articles here on DU last week about Florida and Texas making it virtually impossible to conduct a full, statewide, recount.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2400

This election will be stolen. And the MSM will yawn and repeat the word "Maverick" until i lose my lunch. The results will not match the exit polls. And committed DUers will post brilliant articles outlining the GLARING inconsistencies that any child could see points to vote manipulation.

Hell, Obama may even file lawsuits to try to intervene. Said case might make it all the way to the Supreme Court....

Then, I'm moving my family to Scotland before McInsane drafts my son.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 01:53 PM
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19. Let's do something about this por favor!
:crazy: :shrug: :cry::banghead:

LET'S GET ON THIS. There must be some way to publicize this and make a big deal about it???!!!

What groups are dealing with it? Links please?
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:20 PM
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22. Thanks for starting a bash Kerry thread to promote Obama
That helps Obama's cause. Really it does.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:46 PM
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23. Dont bother. Not worth this fight.
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