Mike Malloy is openly advocating for voting Nader on his show tonight.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

I know he has a lot of fans here, and I often enjoy his show myself. But tonight I think he has officially gone over the line. I'm not suggesting that anyone stop listening to him or that NovaM take him off the air. I just hope that he's proud of himself, for doing the same "they're both the same" crap that fucked this country back in 2000.

Attention Mike: Nader has less chance of getting elected than Britney does of directing Paris in an Oscar winning period drama. IOW, none. But he does have the chance of getting just enough votes in crucial states to put McInsane over the top, or make the theft plausible.

Eight years ago people like Mike were saying some of the same things about Al Gore as they are saying about Barack Obama. Thom Hartmann admits that he voted for Nader in 2000. He now freely admits that he was wrong. Will Mike be saying the same thing 4 years from now?

[anonymous171]

1. And the party will move even farther right as a result.

After eight years of Bush we have become more conservative, not less. So much for the whole Nader movement.

[DangerousRhythm]

2. That's disappointing to hear.

I'm recording the show right now. I guess I'll have to take a listen. :\

[ruggerson]

3. Mike Malloy is a rotten gasbag

with a completely uninteresting show.

It doesn't surprise me that he's stabbing the Democratic nominee in the back.

I would be surprised if he didn't.

[Meshuga]

4. Mike Malloy appearantly is a genious

It is pretty fucking smart of him. Let's have another republican in the WH fucking shit up. :sarcasm:

[blondeatlast]

5. Yeah, MM, that'll help the country a whole lot. John McCain and Ralph Nader thank you

from the bottoms of their cold, creepy hearts.

The rest of us? Meh.

[Phred42]

6. You'd have thought he would have learned the last time

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

7. I don't believe that's a fair characterization of Malloy's position.

What he said was that he looked up Nader's position on the issues, and found that he agrees with them, and wonders why the HELL the Democratic candidate does not share similar positions, as opposed to positions which are far too close to the Republican position.

Malloy has said before that he would vote for Obama as a "lesser of two evils" approach, but that he would much rather vote for a "greater of two goods".

In principle, I agree. In this case, I'll vote for Obama regardless, because McCain is absolutely intolerable. But I'm all in favor of strong showings by other left of center parties if for no other reason than to remind the Democratic party that their base is not in the coroporate boardrooms and the Wall Street banks.

[JoFerret]

10. IF what you are saying

is a fair representation of MM's views then they seem pretty reasonable to me.

But we HAVE to win in November.
Close our eyes/ hold our noses or whatever. But Obama HAS to be elected. We cannot afford another four years of the GOP however flawed we may know mainstream democrats to be.

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

11. You're absolutely right in that respect.

Vote for the Greens or whomever you like in your local races. Build third parties. But anyone who really thinks Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney have a snowball's chance in Hell of being President, those people need to put down the 'shrooms and realize McCain is the enemy.

Though I, for one would feel a lot better about this if Obama did not pick some marginal Puke for his VP. I'm trying damn hard not to take these corporate media speculations of the VP seriously, since I know what THEY want, and why.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

19. No. Mike repeatedly stated that he wasn't sure what he was going to do.

This was after he interviewed a guy who sounded like a representative for Nader's campaign.

[cbc5g]

8. You know what, it's this simple. If Obama loses, the DLC takes over

Any questions?

[bluestateguy]

9. I gave up on him 2 years ago

He's just a blowhard. The closest thing our side has to Michael Savage.

[trayfoot]

12. Malloy has lost my support and patronage!

eom

[JackBeck]

13. He said on his show that he doesn't know who he is going to vote for

Once he steps into the voting booth.

That's hardly "openly advocating for voting Nader".

:eyes:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

20. After interviewing a guy who represented Nader, at length.

And talking glowingly of Nader's long record of consumer advocacy. That's all true, but Mike glossed over Nader's recent statements about Obama and the African American community, as though he (Nader) had been elected to be their representative. Oh, and Ralph's not known for being a great employer either. He's not big on paying his own employees well, or letting them join unions.

[Phoonzang]

14. I stopped listening to him a while ago

All he does is yell and freak out on air. While that was cathartic for me back in the middle of the Bush years, I don't need that right now and neither does the party. He's too damned far left for me anyway. Principles are fine, but a candidate has to win. They have to appeal to more than just people like Mike Malloy.

[tabatha]

16. Yes, I have turned him off too.

I have listened to him for four years because he was so cathartic with respect to Bush Co.
The last 8 years have been a nightmare - I just cannot believe what has been done to Iraq, the environment, etc.

So my heart sank into my shoes when he started on Obama - I had so hoped we could turn this country around.
It is hardly worth living here if it does not.

Obama is working his butt off in a very hostile environment.

It is very easy to work 3 hours a day, and sit back in an armchair, and pull everybody apart.

It is commendable to point out what is wrong with country; it is another thing to sabotage an improvement.

Obama will not be 100% on all issues - he cannot. But he will be a vast improvement.

Besides Nader colluded with Republicans in previous elections.

So, Malloy has been a great disappointment.

I guess he is a little like Bush and does not understand the consequences of his actions. Just the "rightness" of his dogma. I guess a fundamentalist.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

15. Malloy was stressing

Nader's positions which do coincide with liberal/progressive values.

He is cynical, I'll give you that. But he does his research and stays current. On a personal note, I met him when he appeared with Scott Ritter in Phoenix last February. I send him a fair number of e-mails - serious and humorous - and he was very personable and warm when I introduced myself. Even if you don't agree with everything he says, he's a helluva communicator.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

21. I live in Phoenix.

I've met Senator John Kyl a few times. He's also warm and personable. Real good about returning emails. So is Jeff Flake. So what?

[FrenchieCat]

17. Thanks for the information......

as I won't be listening to him anymore.

I only happen on him when I'm driving which isn't that often (once or twice a week), but now, I will not listen. Just like I don't want to give credit to those who advocate against Obama and for McCain, so will I treat those advocating Nader instead of Obama in the exact same manner.

[ConsAreLiars]

28. That was not information. That was disinformation (nt)

[showmemo]

18. It might not be a bad choice

Ralph has kept his message on target and doesn't flip his position in the wind. I don't like the fact that we don't stick to a common position.

[totodeinhere]

22. It's funny how so many people only listen to people that they agree with and...

turn off someone like Malloy if they don't agree with him. Personally, I like to be challenged by viewpoints that I disagree with. I am comfortable enough in my own skin and with my own convictions that I am not afraid to be exposed to opposing viewpoints.

But having said that, IMO Mike is giving bad advice if he is advocating voting for Nader. But that's OK. It's his right to advocate that if he wants to and I will continue to listen to him.

[laugle]

23. Malloy is furious over

Obama voting for the FSIA act and expanding Bush's faith-based programs.

I too am angry at that, I think that is PART of why his numbers are going down.

The trust and confidence factor in Obama is going down and a backlash is starting to show.............

[AtomicKitten]

26. ftr Clinton I expanded Bush I's faith-based programs & Clinton II still supports them

If there is any trust and confidence factor, i.e., backlash, I assure you it is retroactive.

The roots of faith-based initiatives can be traced back a decade earlier than Bush's executive order in 2001. President George H.W. Bush, building on Ronald Reagan's "devolution" of many social programs from Washington, D.C., to state and local governments, began his "thousand points of light" initiatives. Speaking of a "kinder, gentler" nation, Bush 41 used the bully pulpit of the presidency to recognize and encourage volunteer efforts, religious and otherwise, in local communities.

Next came President Bill Clinton's charitable choice initiatives. As part of welfare reform, job training and drug treatment programs, charitable choice allowed religious providers of these services to receive federal funding along with other nonreligious charities.

These charitable choice programs gave religious organizations a seat at the table of social service, at least in the specific areas covered by the legislation.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/05/INHM11JJET.DTL

and

The Boston Globe
Sen. Clinton urges use of faith-based initiatives

By Michael Jonas, Globe Correspondent

In a speech at a fund-raising dinner for a Boston-based organization that promotes faith-based solutions to social problems, Clinton said there has been a "false division" between faith-based approaches to social problems and respect for the separation of church of state.

"There is no contradiction between support for faith-based initiatives and upholding our constitutional principles," said Clinton, a New York Democrat who often is mentioned as a possible presidential candidate in 2008.

Addressing a crowd of more than 500, including many religious leaders, at Boston's Fairmont Copley Plaza, Clinton invoked God more than half a dozen times, at one point declaring, "I've always been a praying person."

She said there must be room for religious people to "live out their faith in the public square."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/01/20/sen_clinton_urges_use_of_faith_based_initiatives/

[mcctatas]

24. Unfortunate....

but the only person I agree with 100% of the time is myself. I still like Malloy, and he can be wrong every once and a while, I'll still listen :)

[Hieronymus]

25. I used to like Mike Malloy.

[ConsAreLiars]

27. Of course, you know what you are saying is completely false.

Why you would invent such crap, or be so delusional as to actually believe you heard it, well, that's for you to explain. It's just his usual lesser corporatist evil or neither dilemma, which he said he has always resolved in favor of the lesser evil. Maybe download the podcast and listen again when you are sober or sane.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

29. I listened to the show.

He had a guy on who was representing Nader, then recommended that his listeners check out Nader's positions on the issues so they could see how much better he is than Obama. Then he reminded everyone what a great consumer advocate Ralph is. Then he stated that he wasn't sure what he was going to do in November.

Oddly, Mike didn't see fit to mention Nader's recent presumptious comments about how Obama wasn't doing anything for the black community, as if Ralph's old white ass had been elected to speak for them. Also, I guess Mike isn't aware of Ralph's record on unions and employee rights, when it comes to his own workers. I hear he's not a nice guy to work for.

[ConsAreLiars]

30. So how does any of that justify your false assertion that he advocated

voting for Nader? You just made that up completely. Why?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

31. I made up nothing. He was advocating voting for Nader.

I don't know what show you heard, but I know what I did.

[ConsAreLiars]

33. Have a neurological check up.

He never said his listeners should vote for Nader or that he would. If you "heard" that you have a disorder that needs attention.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

34. And you have a tendency to resort to ad hominem attacks that you need to address

Really, I'm resilient enough to withstand your petty personal attacks, but try to come up with a valid argument if you want to be respected.

[ConsAreLiars]

35. The "argument" is rather simple and straightforward. Malloy never said what you claim to

have heard. You either made it up because of who-knows-why--some-agenda, or you are delusional and actually believe he said what you claim. Or maybe there's some other "reason" for the lie.

Let me put it as simply as possible. He never said that he would, or that his listeners should, vote for Nader. He said he was conflicted. Your original post, and the belief you seem to cling to, is pure fabrication or dishonest BS.

(edit typo)

[mrreowwr_kittty]

36. We'll have to agree to disagree.

We listened to the same show. I say Malloy was openly advocating that his listeners vote for Nader. You disagree. Fine.

I seriously doubt you'll hear Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes, or Rachel Maddow making similar statements as Malloy. Wonder why that is? Maybe it's because they know what happens when you play the false equivalence game with Presidential elections.

[ConsAreLiars]

37. I'll settle for that. If Malloy had transcripts the fact checking would be easy.

But absent that, you clearly believe you heard what you believe you heard. Malloy has presented the same view often, and it is one of uncertainty and ambivalence. Not blind one-sided advocacy for the lesser evil nor blind rejection of any alternative to the lesser-evil trap.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

32. Oh, and he was mocking Obama supporters who email him. What do you think his aim was with that?

Like I said, if you like Malloy that's fine. But people on this site have a right to know what he's espousing on his show. It's the same "they're both the same" bullshit we progressives were fed back in 2000. We all know how that worked out.