If Obama Picks Hillary as VP that would make him a GENIUS!

[musicblind]

Obama has played his cards so close to his chest regarding the VP nominee. Imagine if it turned out to be Hillary after all!

Not only would we win in a landslide and also secure a second term for Obama as well as a strong candidate to run in 2016... but the Republicans would never have seen it coming.

After convincing "voteboth" to disband

After making Hillary the keynote speaker

After the swerve stop in Indiana

After everything... if he still made Hillary VP he would have outsmarted half the nation.

Obama is a brilliant mind, I would not put it past him. He is clever enough to know all the wonderful things Hillary brings to the ticket outweighs the bad she brings.

I really hope I am right. I don't say this because I love Hillary but because I love the democratic party.

[TwilightGardener]

1. Yeah, and then we can have Bill snarking at Obama and undermining him

and acting like a jealous toddler for the next eight years. Yes, Obama really needs the hassle of dealing with the Clintons--he won't be busy enough.

[musicblind]

4. OR we could have Bill fighting his heart out for Obama and being the excellent attack dog

that we know he can be ;)

[TwilightGardener]

9. He won't. He clearly holds contempt for Obama. He'll sabotage Obama's

Presidency, one way or another. To suggest that he'll only "fight his heart out" for Obama ONLY IF Hillary is his running mate confirms everything I've always suspected about Bill--he's all about Bill.

[TheDebbieDee]

13. Blah, blah, blah..........

[musicblind]

15. He WILL fight for Obama either way

but you can't deny that having a family member ads extra motivation. You seem convinced that he will do bad before he has ever done anything. You have no proof he holds contempt for Obama besides what the MSM tries to spin for ratings. Hillary is campaigning for Obama in NV this Friday in fact.

It seems more like this is a point you are trying to twist in order to justify your dislike of giving Hillary the VP slot after she angered you in the primaries?

I am most interested in what will help Obama win, regardless of the primaries.

Clinton is a good democrat and a popular figure who could help Obama. He will campaign for him no matter who is nominated for VP; but he would have even more of a positive impact if that VP were his wife. That goes for any politician. For example, Elizabeth Edwards will most likely support Obama but will have a more positive impact if her husband is picked as VP (which would also be a great pick as Edwards is an amazing human being).

[Drunken Irishman]

39. So basically, the only way Bill will fight for Obama is if we put Hillary on the ticket?

No thanks. He should want to fight for Obama because the future of our country is at stake. Don't you get it? This is the problem many see with the Clintons...it's either them or nothing.

[musicblind]

46. You apparently didn't read my post

when you decide to read it... let me know, and then I will respond to yours, but there is no point in responding to someone who didn't want to look at the information provided the first time.

[CakeGrrl]

28. Bill could do that NOW if he wanted to...if he was committed to the Democrat winning

whether or not it happens to be his wife.

If Bill's support is directly dependent on whether his wife gets a VP spot, then he's a problem.

[juajen]

48. You know what? Bill has a life. He certainly doesn't need Obama

to continue his Foundation work and his speaking engagements, which pay a hell of a lot more than government work, and I'm sure are more satisfying. He loves meeting people, and he loves helping them. He does NOT need Barack Obama, period. Why the hell does everybody worry about what Bill would do. I'm sure he would show up for important functions for Hillary, but you're dreaming if you think Bill wants to be anything but supportive of his wife. What is all this Bill paranoia, anyway?

[Cronus Protagonist]

2. The GOP would place ads with every single negative comment HIllary ever made about Obama

And there are a LOT of them. I say why give them so much free grist?

[musicblind]

5. Those ads are coming out anyway

having Hillary as VP will make a strong counter arguement against those ads that would not have been there otherwise. Either way, those ads are going to be shown.

[Cronus Protagonist]

12. Yeah, of course, but he can distance himself from Hillary, not so if he's RUNNING with her

I don't know why I have to explain that.

[musicblind]

19. I think her running with him would be a better counter because

it shows how ridiculous it is for them to try and spin that she doesn't support him when obviously she does. She will be in a better position to publically denounce those clips as hogwash and bring up some of the negative things Romney (McCain's probable VP) said about him.

[Cronus Protagonist]

24. True, the Obama campaign might be able to win a media war

If Hillary's there too, but how would she counter claiming that Obama is not qualified? That with her on the ticket, she would be able to answer the phone at 3am herself? Would she be sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom every night just in case the phone rings at 3am? (and I didn't even have to think hard to come up with these)

[Metric System]

30. What do you mean by distance himself? Do you mean throw her under the bus?What a great way to ensure

her supporters stay home on election day.

[Lucky 13]

34. Oh please. Distancing does not mean throwing under the bus. And anyway...

If there were that many Hillary supporters still waiting in the wings to vote McCain or write her name in, then why can't they retire her "pesky" campaign debt. No, the truth is there are a few diehard nutjobs that remain - the Harriet Christians, the Geraldine Ferraros - but the vast vast majority of Hillary supporters are already supporting Obama.

Get real. Hillary supporters will show up for Obama. Those that don't won't be missed here.

[Cronus Protagonist]

41. Sure, go ahead erect your own straw man and shoot it down

I like to watch people masturbate.

[Lucky 13]

36. Think her saying that stuff was a good idea now?

I'm with the other poster... her previous criticisms of Obama disqualify her from consideration. He doesn't need the Clintons undermining him either by Bill's most recent interview, or replays of Hillary talking shit a few months ago. He needs someone who meshes well with him and has been supportive from the start.

She acted like an ass and those actions have resulted in her being out of the running for VP consideration.

She made her bed. Now she has to lie in it.

[musicblind]

47. tsk tsk YOU assume far too much

and you know what they say about the word assume ;)

[cbc5g]

8. I'd rather have that than Rev. Wright all fall

[Cronus Protagonist]

20. Unfortunately we don't get to choose that

So again, why add more grist to the mill for FREE?

[NorthCarolina]

50. The GOP wouldn't have to spend a dime to do that

because the media would do it for them 24/7...gratis.

[writes3000]

3. I say this with absolute certainty: Obama will pick the person who will most help him win.

As he told his staff, they must win.

So the real question is who helps him the most and why. He has brilliant strategists with him.

He will make the right choice.

[musicblind]

6. I hope so

:hug:

[global1]

16. Couple of Observations Here......

what if Bill is in on this plan and that's why he was being so non-committal in that latest interview we keep seeing MSNBC playing. It really has the effect of throwing everyone off the trail and I agree it would be ingenious.

The other thing is that Obama is comfortable with compromising. He did on FISA and now on off-shore oil drilling. Why not compromise with the biggest decision - the VP - and assure him the fact that we will have a Democratic administration come Jan 09. Hillary on the ticket now would also help in every other Dem race for Senate and the House.

I say go for it. I'm excited now by this prospect and will probably be disappointed now if Obama picks Bayh.

[writes3000]

18. Obama is inspirational but also savvy and strategic.

Hillary may come with too much baggage. That may knock her out.

But Obama will not make this decision with emotion. Or anger. Or resentment.

He will look at it with all the big picture pieces in mind.

[musicblind]

21. That is always the best way to look at everything writer3000

well said

[Whisp]

32. help him win AND help him govern.

sure he'd cose Hillary as vp is it almost guarantted him the election, but is the price worth it for the next 4 years having a Bill yammering at you and a Hillary breathing down your neck?

the media doesn't have all that much on Obama, that is why McCain is getting frustrated and punchy with his stupid ads, but if the Clintons are on board - o boy, Fox and the rest will have hay days for the whole term - the Library donations list will just be one nightly segment on their shows.

Most of Hillarys people have already switched to obama, 18 million voters are sitting in the corner and waiting for H to be announced running mate - that's just crazy.

So I can't understand how exactly she will ensure a win if picked as vp? are republicans going to suddenlys switch, are all independent leftovers goingn to?

who exactly comprises this vast bulk of winning votes if Hillary is on the ticket? I'm seriously asking.

[polichick]

7. imo that would be the opposite of genius.

[musicblind]

10. Well, everyone can't agree on everything n/t

[Motown_Johnny]

11. Bill would have been nicer in yesterday's interview if Hillary still had a shot

[scheming daemons]

22. Good point..... if HIllary had a shot at it, Bill would've been a better "surrogate" yesterday

[Whisp]

35. you bet he would have been and that certainly does answer the question.

that was a disgruntled old man I saw yesterday - someone looking for 'revenge' from the primaries and not Mr. First Gentleman V.P.

well, at least that's some good news. I think Hillary would have been the worst possible choice of all names mentioned here lately. except Hagel. hahahah. I can't believe some are actually thinking Hagel. omg.

[Lucky 13]

37. Excellent point.

If Hillary had a shot at VP he would have been 100% positive and unconditionally supportive of Obama.

Since she isn't going to be VP, I'm sure we will see subtle undermining from here till November. Nothing overt... plausible deniability is everything. "That's not what I meant", "I'm being taken out of context", Feigned Outrage, etc...

...all so that Hillary might have some sort of shot in 2012.

[Double T]

14. Genius; I don't think so. Smarter than I give him credit for; absolutely.

[Lilith Velkor]

17. It would also mean he has balls of solid titanium

I don't expect it of him, but am open to being pleasantly surprised for a change.

[musicblind]

23. balls of titanium! I love it!

The republicans would be so confused they wouldn't know what to do. They'd be asking themselves, "what surprise is coming next?"

It would be great strategy!

[opihimoimoi]

25. Bill and Barack should go Camping somewhere for 3 days...fishing, nature walking, campfires...Much

good can come from healing, reconciliation, meshing of the minds, etc...on the 4th day...enter Hillary and Michelle for 2 more days...

5 days of healing, bonding, etc....

A united front could emerge...better odds to win in Nov

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[AtomicKitten]

26. No, it would be the definition of insanity.

No worries. Obama is too smart to embrace anyone poised to back-stab him.

[polichick]

31. It's amazing how Hillary lovers don't see that about her.

[highplainsdem]

43. It's amazing how the Clinton-haters here regurgitate RW spin about the Clintons.

[AtomicKitten]

44. It's not hate and it's not spin.

1) What you call hate is lack of forgiveness for their atrocious behavior.
2) What you call spin is the unvarnished truth.

Here endeth the lesson.

[polichick]

45. Wish it WAS spin - I'm no Clinton hater; worked for Bill twice...

They've just shown exactly who they are ~ and it ain't pretty.

[nsd]

27. Why would Obama want to "outsmart" half the nation?

These past couple of weeks people have been describing the Tim Kaine rumors and the Evan Bayh rumors as feints or head fakes, designed to throw people off Obama's tracks.

I don't understand what the value of that would be. This isn't a basketball game or a chess game or a war. The element of surprise doesn't help that much. McCain's not going to structure his campaign around whispered rumors when he knows the real decision will come in less than three weeks.

I don't think Obama wants to fool anyone here; he's just going through his decision-making process. I think a lot of us (including me) are overexcited and reading more into the rumors than is justified.

[musicblind]

51. IDK, he might not want to, BUT

it was a pretty interesting swerve over Bayh this past week. :)

[Lucky 13]

33. Tricking people on VP predictions doesn't make him more or less likely to win.

Tricking people has no effect on which way people vote... How do you figure that?

No, Hillary will not be the VP, nor should she be. Obama needs someone who meshes well with him and whose SPOUSE can keep his/her mouth shut and not undermine him. Clintons are disqualified.

[musicblind]

38. I think McCain is counting on Obama NOT picking Hillary

and therefore I DO think it will effect his plans right before his own convention if Obama does pick her.

[Lucky 13]

40. Considering she was a very close second in the primaries, you don't think the GOP is ready for her?

The GOP has been ready for Hillary since she announce her candidacy for President... probably before.
They already have her criticisms of Obama cued up and ready to go...
It's no secret many of her supporters want her to be VP...
She is consistently in the top 5-10 people mentioned when the topic of VP comes up...

How in the hell would she be a complete SURPRISE to anyone, let alone the GOP??


They are ready for her or whoever Barack picks.

This is just more wishful thinking from Hill supporters. But hey, whatever gets you through the day.

[musicblind]

42. You just keep convincing yourself that the only people wanting her for VP are Hillary supporters

because that is not the case.

And those ads with Hillary going negative against Obama are coming on whether she is the VP or not. If she is the VP, however, those ads will lose a lot of their effectiveness.

[Peacetrain]

49. Good God, I hope NOT

But it is his to pick. I have nothing personal against Hillary per se. They are just not a good mix. Oil and water.

[TheKentuckian]

52. In it to win it

I'll take Hillary, if she does more good than harm. I've yet to see much evidence that is the case.
The central Hillary argument is "18 million" voters but why in the world would we have to fight for those votes? It's almost the same platform, if people want their policy planks in action then it would seem they would be heartily supporting their own agenda.

I'm seeing limited, if any appeal outside of the party. How is the question not, what does Senator Clinton offer from here? The primary numbers have in many cases, been looked at out of context.
I don't get it, Clinton supporters should be pretty enthusiastically supporting Obama to support the very policies they feel are so important, and don't give me any lame experience argument. Obama has held office longer than she has, overall.

There's no valid reason for any American to vote for McCain but a Democrat? Good grief!!! That's insane! For a woman, probably 10,000 times deranged.

For the uptenth time, this is not about Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Dennis Kucinich, or any politician. It's about the American people and our future and voters or politicians that lose track of that put the nation in great danger.

I'm beyond shocked that ANYONE, ANYWHERE is still even thinking about a candidate that is not permitted to speak on behalf of his own campaign. If John McCain can't speak for John McCain then what kind of brainiac wants him to speak for our nation?

Yeah, your votes are wanted because we thought you might care enough about the country's future enough to stop the continuation of the undoing of America but I guess you guys have other interests than silly stuff like life, liberty, justice, peace, hope, standard of living, passing on a better America and a better world, or even something as simple as looking at the stars at night.

Hey McFly's the corporate fascists are over on the other side trying to make us a bunch of serfs that exist to serve under a haze that makes China look crisp and clean.