The Laura Bush Prostitution threads are sexist crap

[Cheswick2.0]

Lets first get one thing straight, I couldn't care less about Laura Bush. I don't think she's a good person and if you came up with something legitimate against her I would be fine with that.
However instead of attacking Bush, you have attacked his WIFE and for what? Not the incident where her ex-boyfriend ended up dead, not for her parenting skills. You didn't even make up something interesting such as she is a corporate criminal or smuggled drug money.
No, here on DU, supposedly a progressive web site the biggest smear or the most knee-jerk smear that you can come up with is that she's a whore. If she's not a good woman she must be a PROSTITUTE.
To the men who participated....whatever.
But to the women who participate in this, wake the hell up. If you think you are not living under a debilitating double standard even in 2004 you are truly clueless.

Good work.

[billbuckhead]

1. Laura defended the Confederate flag as heritage and not hate

<http://dir.salon.com/politics2000/feature/2000/04/18/mccain/index.html>
Cheney her. Most prostitutes are better than that.

"Bush himself did not take a stand on the flag, though, slyly, his wife, Laura, publicly stated that she does not believe the flag is racist. In the closing days of the South Carolina primary, a spontaneously generated political action committee -- the Keep It Flying PAC -- blanketed the state with anti-McCain leaflets containing the Laura Bush quote. The McCain campaign has long charged the Bush campaign with directly coordinating the birth and activities of the Keep It Flying PAC. Any such link to the PAC would constitute a federal crime, but none has been established, and the Bush campaign has repeatedly denied any linkage."

[Cheswick2.0]

5. So get her for being a racist

Leave the Madonna/Whore nonsense for the right wing neanderthals.

[Virginian]

99. Bush himself did not take a stand on the flag -- because he can't!

Bush is not from the South. It has nothing to do with his heritage.

If those of us from the South, who had ancestors living in those times, really wanted to embrace that flag, we wouldn't have let the racist groups corrupt it for their hatespeak. It has been tainted with the hatred of racism and I can never touch it again.

Please don't let the right wingers take the US flag, too.

[LoZoccolo]

2. We already know a lot about Bush*, and offenses like corporate crimes.

That's why this is a big deal - these are new questions surfacing.

[Cheswick2.0]

6. this is bullshit and you know it

If you are going to continue this sexist bullshit please do it elsewhere.

[LoZoccolo]

12. We started out talking about Bush*, actually.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=658810&mesg_id=658810

But you're right - the fact that there are several times, perhaps an order of magnitude, more male prostitutes than female, yet the accusations are being made against a woman, is prima facie evidence of sexism in this line of questioning.

on edit: I neglected to put the latin words in italics, as we are wont to do when being pretentious.

[Cheswick2.0]

22. this thread has nothing to do with the other

Please go fight for the rights of rapists elsewhere.

[LoZoccolo]

28. You're welcome.

:wow:

[comsymp]

33. You do subtle, well-

But don't you just hate it when it's too good? (hope it's okay w/you that i used italics strictly for emphasis ;-) )

[LoZoccolo]

110. Where am I "fighting for the rights of rapists"?

That's disingenuous - I was looking for evidence with which to smear W himself, not his wife. Part of your point was that we went after his wife, and I'm saying we went after him first. I might disagree with you, but I do not reach beyond where I should and start calling you a man-hater or questioning your intentions.

Plus, you went back and edited your post where you let ideology trump reality, and agreed with my deliberately false argument. No fair.

[seabeyond]

3. excellent cheswick

havent been in thread at all just keep seeing it is staying at top. was wondering what could be so very interesting with a made up story. hm. you are right

no love here for laura, know this woman well living amongst many of them in the panhandle of texas. she is right out there with bush, now she is campaigning for him and going after dems,.........

your point though is beyond laura bush,. and thank you for expressing it.

[Cheswick2.0]

8. Thanks, and by the way, I was born in the panhandle of TX

I was born in Dumas and lived near stratford. But I don't remmember it. We moved back north when I was three.

[madrchsod]

4. i agree

i`ll go along with most stuff,in fact i make fun of her whenever i can, but the prostitute thing is over the edge. it makes us look pretty stupid. we all to offense when the slugs attacked hillary and chelsa-we can`t have it both ways..

[Cheswick2.0]

14. I'll never forget the Hillary's a dyke stuff

It was ugly and I would be surprised that liberal/moderate democratic men are stooping as low, but I have been around DU long enough to know we are not shy in the unconscious sexist department.

[AmerDem]

7. crickets *chirp* *chirp*

:hi:

[Cheswick2.0]

138. What's that Amerdem?

Are you commenting on the number of people answering this post?
:hi:

[AmerDem]

143. you have a bit of an overactive imagination there Cheswick!

*chirp* *chirp*

[Cheswick2.0]

147. yeah right

You're probably all pissed off now huh? Because now you look foolish.

:hi:

[AmerDem]

148. wake up

Understand satire when you read it. The Pickles thread someone started was pure satire. PC junkies like yourself get your nuts in a twist over the most petty things.

[Borgnine]

9. While you may have a point...

... I must clarify that we're only repeating what some people are saying. If they're saying she was a former prostitute, well... don't you think we have a right to discuss it? That the public has a right to know? Then again, HOW WILL WE EXPLAIN THIS TO THE CHILDREN?

[Name removed]

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[Borgnine]

83. Excuse me?

So everybody who snickered at that thread, designed to blow off steam and parody the ridiculous Smear Boat Vet supporters, is sexist?

Here's the thing. Nobody really believes Laura Bush is a street walker. Just like nobody believes Hannity is a pedophile. Maybe this stuff belonged in the Lounge, but what's done is done. We're getting pounded by the media daily, and I can understand why the people who started the parody did so... to add levity to the situation and take away some of the grimness that the last few days have resulted in.

To call your fellow posters names and try to take a position of moral superiority over something so ridiculously stupid is INANE. Yeah, we're above making up fake smears, but I don't think that was the intention in the first place. It was to mimick the very right-wing sounding chamber that we're fighting against.

Do you honestly believe anybody here is sexist? Do you object to the term 'media whore?' On the other side of the coin, is it a sign of being anti-male when we call someone like Rove a 'prick?'

I'm not trying to start a fight, but this really seems like a silly issue to be upset about.

[bobbobbins]

10. how in the world did a rumor like that get started in the first place?

[Cheswick2.0]

19. Troublemaker who I think is making a point

I object to him making it with sexist ideology.

[WilliamPitt]

11. Agreed and agreed and agreed

[Cheswick2.0]

17. Thank you Will

[troublemaker]

49. And another shoe drops...

A smear story that started out *stating it was bogus* takes on a second life as a media story. Now it's about whether certain DUers are sexist or rude or liars.

A story that is an overt fabrication becomes something to talk about simply because PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.

This is just what we saw with the Swift Liars. Side issues become the story--keeping the story alive. The factual story peters out because it's bogus, but the topic lives on as everyone brings their own agenda to bear.

I happen to agree with the substance of your post here, Cheswick, but I disagree with your conclusion. Prostitution is the topic here because smears are aimed at people within a culture and in our culture an accusation of whoredom is the greatest assault to a woman's honor, just as dishonoring a man's valor is the greatest assault on his honor. The cultural reality is sexist but choice of smear is apt; it's a workable antipode of the Swift Liars.

You have now advanced the smear by referring to it, and you are publicizing it precisely because it offends you. So that answers the question of why prostitution. It's not to be sexist. It is what works. A smear about corporate corruption would generate no heat, would it?

Such is the agar in the petri dish of American political culture.


(And notice that nobody has yet "proved" Laura's virtue. All we can say is that the charges are baseless, but somehow that's not dispositive.)

[chimpymustgo]

53. Thank you, troublemaker. The Laura/prostitute thread and its spawn

are a testament to the times we live in.

Not to mention, the Laura thread is effing hilarious satire.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

59. "an accusation of whoredom is the greatest assault to a woman's honor"

Well that in itself is shit since an accusation of whoredom is a fucking trophy to a man...but I find this tripe that you've decided to have a sophomoric good time with to be more harmful to US than to Laura since your little pipedream rumor won't go anywhere.

Your logic is also flawed since Ches only advances this moronic sexist shit within the vacuum called DU.

Your justifications for continuing this are as sexist as your reasons for starting this.

Since you are male....why not advance the story that George Bush is missing his left nut and therefore not MAN enough to lead America?...why reinforce scarlet letter stereotypes of women to play your "I'm a strategist" game.

I know you THINK you are being politically expedient and a neophyte strategist...the only problem is that the comrades on YOUR side are WOMEN who have been battling this sexist stereotypical tripe for years.

hell, even in your response to Ches, you may as well have said, "Little lady, don't worry your purdy little head over this."

Frankly, you are giving yourself WAY too much credit for your little idea which will go nowhere. Oh, and I saw your post down in ATA..since I cannot respond to it there, I will respond to it here...again...it was nothing but hogwash designed to feign justification for poor behavior.

[troublemaker]

67. I have violently objected to dozens of your posts

but I tend not to denounce you with personal attacks. Funny how that works, since you are a very good person and I am a very bad person.

If Ches thinks I was being sexist to her I think she can say so herself. She has my undying affection for something unrelated to this topic, so I don't want to offend her. But I can still disagree in polite terms. (An avenue you may wish to examine yourself)

My online style is assertive and sometimes lacking compromise. Since Ches is a woman you take that tone as being sexist. If she was black (which she may well be) I assume you would take it as racist. Whatever.

To me Ches is a lovely person who has bitterly objected to something I started. If we disagree then that's what it is, but there's no harm in stating my own perspective.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

72. Where is there a personal attack?

I made my post about your tactics, your justifications, and your lack of effectiveness...now..if you CHOOSE to identify all of that as you, fine.

But I can still disagree in polite terms. (An avenue you may wish to examine yourself)

There's nothing polite about your position. Using a sexist red letter post to smear an Laura Bush is about as impolite as using a hangman's noose and a tree to smear Alan Keyes. I understand you don't get it, but please don't pretend you have any lessons to offer me on decorum.

[David Zephyr]

115. NSMA: The Sage

"An accusation of whoredom is a fucking trophy to a man."

[gollygee]

13. I agree

I've been pretty disgusted by this. It is not funny.

[Skittles]

15. I agree

that was appalling

[MissB]

18. I agree.

I agree with every single word you typed. Thank you.

[Ducks In A Row]

20. any slut who dishonor the institution of marriage by marrying shrub

deserves to be called something far worse than whore.

but for now it will do.

[Cheswick2.0]

23. that is pathetic reasoning

Mr/Ms undeclared

[Rowdyboy]

21. Sexist and rude. Its just like the ignorant asses who post "Is Bush gay?"

or "Rush is GAY!!!!!" and think its humorous. Hopefully they'll eventually mature and realize how foolish and crude they are

[Cheswick2.0]

27. You are exactly right

<sigh> <------ big old Al Gore sigh!

[progressivebydesign]

88. No.. actually.. I think they want to know if Bush & Rush are gay.

Not to be funny... but some people have heard tons of rumours and facts about those issues, and are geniunely wondering. Based upon Bush and Rush's treatment of gays, and their views, it would be interesting to know their sexual orientation.. I suppose.

[bobbobbins]

24. yeah....

we can't claim the moral high road and denounce garbage like the swift boat ads, while allowing stupid shit like laura bush being a prostitute to propagate amongst ourselves.

[wryter2000]

42. Welcome to DU, btw

:hi:

[xray s]

25. good god

Just went by there.

Can you say "giving ammunition to the enemy"?

There is so much good work done here. So many talented people. The opportunity to change minds, for the good.

But this Laura Bush crap is soiling this place. someone needs to clean the stable. stat.

[treepig]

26. but you offer no objection to the hannity-is-a-pedophile thread?

did you start a thread objecting the the sexism therein, too?

of course if i missed that thread, boy do i feel stupid, but if not,

hmmm, perhaps this may be an example of the pot calling the kettle black?

[LoZoccolo]

30. You bring up a good point.

Pedophiles are almost always portrayed as male when we are completely making up smears.

[Cheswick2.0]

36. statistics please

I still don't know what pedophilia has to do with this thread. But if you are going to go there, please show me the stats that prove it is an equal opportunity perversion.

[LoZoccolo]

43. Show me your statistics first regarding prostitution.

Please don't use the ones I posted further up the thread because I don't know the margin of error.

[Cheswick2.0]

47. please try and make sense

or go away

[Cheswick2.0]

31. WTF are you talking about?

1) I haven't seen the thread

2) I have no idea what pedophilia has to do with sexism. Saying someone is a pedophile is not sexist. Please don't even waste your time trying to make that argument with me.

[LoZoccolo]

35. Saying someone is a pedophile /is/ sexist.

You almost never hear someone accuse a woman of being a pedophile.

[Cheswick2.0]

45. I asked you for statistics

that would make your post here show any relevance to this thread at all.

PS...someone who rapes a 15 year old is not a pedophile. If someone made that claim they have no clue what they are talking about.
Please take you argument back to that thread. I am not interested.

[LoZoccolo]

48. How many so-called progressives live in denial of the sexism...

...before their very eyes. Some say it is unconscious, but ignorance is the de-facto problem!

[Cheswick2.0]

64. show me the sexism and we can talk

Until then you are just another member of the backlash mentality.

[LoZoccolo]

66. See #39. n/t

[Cheswick2.0]

135. oh please, get a dictionary and get back to me

you obviously don't know the meaning of the word.

[LoZoccolo]

39. I mean, not really.

But you have to admit, there's something of a parallel.

[IndianaGreen]

29. I fully agree with my distinguished colleague, Cheswick.

Some of the language crosses the line into porn, and it also glorifies rape.

This does not reflect well on the community as a whole.

[Generator]

32. Talk about sexist?

Calling her a murderer is much worse!

I defended her on one of those not satire threads awhile ago. I think calling her a murderer is just like Republican smear mongering, though some believe it.

I suppose we could say she's an alien from Pluto-anybody want to try that? Much less suspect and obvious for those that don't get satire.

Also, I really am not sure about Cheney, what planet is he from?

Definitely NOT human.

[IndianaGreen]

38. I agree with you except on the part about Cheney

What planet is he from?

[bobbobbins]

34. Laura Bush Slept with my Momma!

well no...not really...

[Sparkle]

37. We learned from the best!

[Catholic Sensation]

40. I learned that the difference between quite a few DUers and posters

on Free Republic is only who the target of their disgusting rhetoric is. If Hillary Clinton is considered a "bitch" by Jim Robinson of Free Republic, he's a misogynist woman-hater sexist (since most DUers LOVE to be redundant when posting). If some stupid douche on this site makes a horrible claim that Laura Bush is a prostitute WITHOUT ANY FUCKING EVIDENCE, they're either doing some serious investigating into the woman's past or just being "cute." It has been my experience that the majority of people on both sides of the political spectrum are stupid hypocrites.

[troublemaker]

55. This criticism would be valid if ANYONE ACTUALLY BELIEVED THIS

Not one of the DUers you casually denounce as "stupid hypocrites" believes the story or expects it to be believed by anyone else, so apologies may be in order.

You are now talking this fake controversy at face value, which is part of the process. An obvious lie becomes as controversial and discussed as a fact would be, or even more so.

We will see several smears exactly like this leveled against Democrats in the next few weeks. And some DUers will say, "what's the truth?" I hope these scurilous threads will provide context for the next insane Kerry smear (which is their clear intention) I hope that when people start "talking" about Kerry's secret trip to North Vietnam or his gay affair at Yale we will remember these Laura threads.

There is no reason to examine a question just because somebody raises it.

[Cheswick2.0]

62. bullshit troublemaker

It was your choice of smear that is telling.

[geniph]

101. Bingo.

You can tell a hell of a lot about a person by what they do and don't consider funny.

[Ann Arbor Dem]

41. Thank you.

Those threads turned my stomach.

[RamboLiberal]

44. Thank you for this thread Cheswick

Even in jest and parody I was saddened to see DU'ers stoop to this crap. And remember just as we mock the Freepers (deservedly so) the Wingnuts and their shills monitor this site - do we have to give them ammo to make us look as idiotic as the koolaid drinkers on Free Republic.

And btw there's some other crap threads here as well. I know we're all angry - but let's stick to facts we can dig up and prove. The BFEE gives us plenty of ammo to go after them without being idiots like the Freepers and SBVL.

[Cheswick2.0]

52. You're welcome

I have learned that the left (of which I am one) can be just as ugly as the right. Sexism in particular knows no partisan boundries.

[Supply Side Jesus]

46. Didn't take long for that card to be played.

The point of this was to demonstrate how the "some people say" can work to an incredibly silly situation like Laura Bush being a street walker in the 60's. Laura Bush the diminutive librarian a PRO? Thats half the joke, a ridiculous notion.
But I think you know this, but you prefer to grandstand and proclaim that all of us who snickered and laughed along with this caper as sexist. Who do you think you are to call us sexist? Of course prostitution hasn't been around for literally thousands of years, not like paid whores have found all places in the history of humankind from the traitors to the glorified feminists who were well ahead of the times.
But go ahead and play self-righteous, I guess it's more fun up there on the soap box.

[Cheswick2.0]

50. Gee, way to totally miss the freaking point

[Supply Side Jesus]

51. ya, I know you missed the freaking point.

[Cheswick2.0]

58. Poor white male victim

is that what we are playing here? You guys are so good at accusing people of playing some card or another. Must be tough being the most privileged (and consequently, clueless)group of people on earth.

[Supply Side Jesus]

69. lmao!

who said I was white?? It would be easier for you to believe that wouldn't it? Sorry sweetheart. When people make a funny joke that that involves my ethnicity, I laugh. I guess that is what separates 'us' types from 'you' types, you can't laugh at yourself, you're afraid to look into the mirror. You prefer to flyoff the handle at ANY slight you might perceive and expect all us to lockstep to it. Well I look the mirror, and if what I see is funny, I will laugh.
And if anybody is playing a victim here its you, thats why you played the sexist card so fast, thats why you pointed the victim finger first. So go ahead with your decisive ploys sweetheart, because you certainly lend credence to 'Whiny liberals.'

[Cheswick2.0]

134. unfortunately you don't have to be white to be a member of that club

when it comes to sexism

[Warren DeMontague]

74. Geez, it might be easier to take your point seriously

if it wasn't glaringly apparent through posts like these that you've obviously got a major axe to grind. Yawn.

[Supply Side Jesus]

76. DISCO!

[LoZoccolo]

78. You can trip on my synthesizer...

...electronic world for every boy and every girl.

[Cheswick2.0]

133. gee it might be easier to take you seriously

if you had the sense to get the point.

[LoZoccolo]

139. Don't make us count how many of these posts...

...are one-line dismissals urging us to get smart.

[Warren DeMontague]

144. I know someone who can help with that!

[LoZoccolo]

146. Funny!

Ah ah ah ah ah!

:thumbsup:

[Warren DeMontague]

145. Ah, Yes, The Point.

Everything is the fault of the white male phallus of oppression. I think I've got it, now.

[Spiffarino]

57. I am amazed at its effectiveness

The whole object of that idiotic poll has been played out right here in our own backyard. Thank you DU'ers for making the point that even the most disgusting and ridiculous lies get a life of their own when they are spread around without regard to whom they hurt.

Now that the point has been made, can we kill that poll?

[Padraig18]

54. *applause*

:thumbsup:

[Malva Zebrina]

56. Why Laura Bush is fair game

But as she begins several weeks of solo barnstorming in states crucial for her husband's re-election, Laura Bush is becoming an increasingly visible and effective part of White House strategy, largely because she is seen as someone above the rough-and-tumble of the political fray.
.In the last four months, she has been steadily raising her profile, projecting an image much more assertive and assured than she did during the 2000 campaign. She has joked with Jay Leno, made the morning news-show circuit and appeared in Internet campaign commercials. She has also proved to be a formidable fund-raiser, generating $10 million for the campaign this year while speaking at more than a dozen events from Maine to Missouri.


.And less than three weeks from now, in what will undoubtedly be her most important public moment of the 2004 campaign, she will give one of the prime-time speeches at the Republican National Convention in New York. (Her every handshake, smile and speech on the campaign trail are being recorded for a videotape that will be shown as she is introduced at Madison Square Garden.)


Instead, she delivered reliable applause lines this week to groups of women who own small businesses in Ohio, Wisconsin and Minnesota, reminding them that a woman, Condoleezza Rice, advised her husband on foreign policy and another, Margaret Spellings, advised him on domestic policy. ."This means that in the White House, women are in charge of everything abroad and everything at home," she said, breaking into a smile, "which sounds just about right to me."

http://www.iht.com/articles/533778.html

[Cheswick2.0]

60. Please , you have totally missed the point

My God woman! I didn't say she wasn't fair game. This is about sexism.

[Malva Zebrina]

61. so you think she is fair game. Good because here is some more Laura

Generally, I stay away from depositing scorn upon the First Ladies of the land . . . . Until this week, when they rolled her out to talk about stem cells, and she unctuously explained to the country that, maybe, the benefits of stem-cells were being "oversold." I watched her, all creamy certitude, and for the first time since 2000, wondered: "Where in the hell do you get off, lady?"

We all recall that Hitlery tried to sneak the Russian Red Army into the country under the guise of reforming the health-care system, but shouldn't we be a bit alarmed as well that a back-country librarian from Level Crossing, Texas is out there explaining cutting-edge science to the nation? Where in hell is the President's Council On Bioethics? (Probably either bleeding people with leeches or booking tours to Lourdes.) I mean, would I ask Gregor Mendel where the biography section is?

What you don't do is choke off the inquiry because something MIGHT not work out, and might get Jesus pissed in the bargain. And you damned sure don't send your wife, the librarian, out to run the ball on the issue for you. God, it was insufferable. All those devastated families, like mine, having our little heads patted, and being warned not to get our tiny hopes up, all the while being talked down to out of a family of failures, spoiled children, and international sex tourists.

http://simbaud.blogspot.com/2004/08/from-annals-of-wocowot.html

[Cheswick2.0]

65. Now you're just making me sick

If you don't want to adress the oringinal intent of this thread, please stop spaming.

[Malva Zebrina]

70. why? didn"t you say in the intro:

Lets first get one thing straight, I couldn't care less about Laura Bush. I don't think she's a good person and if you came up with something legitimate against her I would be fine with that.


those are your words.

Everything I posted was legitimate factual and true and spamming is not posting 2 different posts with different content in each

[Malva Zebrina]

63. I keep finding more about Laura

The first lady is upset that some people think she is a throw-back to first ladies of the 1950's. She better be careful or they won't ask her to speak at any more "Weekends for Submissive Wives Whose Husbands Have Let Them Out For a Weekend" lectures on why it is necessary to always agree with whatever your hubby does or says in public.

"Have you actually ever read that?" Mrs. Bush said sharply in an interview this week in her East Wing office. "Who wrote it? Some really good friend of mine? Somebody I'd interviewed with?" I have tried and I don't have 6 months to spend looking for any interview with someone who actually asked her an unscripted question. And she mentions that her White House aides are her good friends and they aren't likely to chance being called unpatriotic in after the after the mission accomplished wartime, while our guys are still dropping daily.

In a nearly hour-long interview with The New York Times on Thursday, Mrs. Bush called Democratic accusations that her husband was AWOL from the National Guard "obviously political," said Bill Clinton believed the same intelligence about Saddam Hussein's unconventional weapons that her husband did and characterized Karl Rove, her husband's chief political adviser, as not as powerful as "the chattering class" believes. She was obviously not there and didn't meet him until after the Guard and Harvard Law School and Rove is a wimp in comparison to George. Bill Clinton may have believed it, but he didn't hand it over for interpretation by the military deferment cabal at People for a New American Century and the Heritage Foundation. Nor did he call every country who didn't agree with him Saddam sympathizers or tell the UN to take a hike or make a pre-emptive invasion or get thousands killed and then insist the UN repair the damage. As part of the "chattering class", I can go for laying the entire blame on her husband, if he ever considers taking responsibility for anything he has messed up. I'd rather spend an hour watching paint dry than listening to she or her husband.

Most notably, she declined to say whether she supported a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, as conservative groups say they expect the president to do. "I think I'll let him say if he would do that," Mrs. Bush responded. When pressed for her view, Mrs. Bush said, "I might have my own opinion, but I'm not going to tell you." That is for her to know and you never to find out. She will reserve the right to sit quietly while her husband and the far right make second class citizens out of anyone they please. She usually admits if she agrees with him, but then we don't know how he feels about the issue because he waffles like an Eggo.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/02/con04061.html

and if some goody two shoes come on and tries to make me a bad guy and smear me for exposing this political shill, Laura Bush, I will tell them to go pound salt. I have had enough of the Eves who chastise those who hold Laura Bush accountable and make fun of her in the same way they make fun of Bush. Defending Laura Bush is slapping other Democrats in the face by telling them to shut up about a woman who is raising 10million dollars, travelling on our money no less, for a man who is killing us.

She is, figuratively, a prostitute.

[Misunderestimator]

71. Saying that she figuratively prostitutes herself for this or that is NOT

the same as calling her a whore in the context it was used... shame on you for not understanding that... and shame on you for hearing from so many women and enlightened men on this site that it is, IN FACT, offensive, and not trying to grasp why. :eyes:

[Malva Zebrina]

75. she is figuratively a prostitute

Shame on you for saying shame on me -- there is no shame in saying that laura is a whoring shill for Bush who is killing our children, who lies daily,( and so does she), and who has ruined my beloved country almost beyond repair.

--shame on you for saying shame on me--I am not ashamed to point out the fake Laura Bush and I have met far more intelligent, enlightened and mature persons other places in my lifetime than those here jumping on me for posting facts about Laura Bush.

[Misunderestimator]

84. Shame on you for totally missing the point.

:eyes:

[Misunderestimator]

68. Good post! I'm so tired of banging my head against the wall

on this subject. I'm flabbergasted that people can be so defensive of their use of sexist phrases and terms that they can't even be reasoned with. I have no problem with people who can learn, but for the blowhards who actually make a POINT out of using sexist crap over and over around here.... ugh.

[Cheswick2.0]

77. This site needs a female administrator (one over 35...or Slinkerwink)

It would not be nearly as difficult to deal with if there were someone in charge that actually understood the issue.
I don't mean that as a slam at Skinner or anyone else. I just think it is impossible for most men to understand the issue. In addition there is such a backlash that we have a whole new generation of men who RESENT feminism and want to rewrite the whole concept.
I actually like Troublemaker, but I am so frustrated that he will not try to understand why his choice of smears was sexist even if he didn't mean it to be.
I'm telling you we need our own party. Right after this election I am going to find out how you start a political party.

[chimpymustgo]

80. I am a woman, and I LOL'ed at the satire in that thread.

I am really surprised so many here don't get it. It's satire. How a smear is born, and spread, and responded to. Just told with uniquely DU humor.

Had nothing to do with sexism.

[Cheswick2.0]

103. I am sorry you don't get it

Fortunately for you there are other women who do.

[chimpymustgo]

105. Fortunately for me, I'm able to discern the point of the satire

and appreciate the sad truth that is exposes.

[slinkerwink]

85. ha, I'd get totally flamed if I was an administrator of this site

I don't think I'll ever get that chance or to be a moderator either because some people here, including one of the moderators, see me as a "troublemaker" because of my feminism.

[Misunderestimator]

87. And a whole new generation of women who don't understand the

issue because they have not lived through it personally (even though they do daily ... but just don't seem to recognize it). Not all, but many.

[alarcojon]

128. My 2 cents

I agree with you that the Laura Bush threads are inappropriate, particularly for GD2004. And I agree with most of your reasoning. And I agree that a female administrator would be a very good idea (Question - aren't there female admins? I always assumed there were, but I don't know)

Lastly, I agree with you that most men can't or won't understand the issue. When you narrow it down to most men on DU, I'm not so sure. I'd like to think we're a little better than the population at large.

Anyhow, I'm speaking up for you as a feminist man.

[Cheswick2.0]

137. Thank you

I would like to think that DU men were better than the population at large. Unfortunately we have a large group who are members of the backlash and it gets very discouraging.
Always nice to meet a feminist man. :hi:

[Jacobin]

73. Dude. Some "cowards" are nice guys, too.

So is calling Kerry in combat a coward a sexist comment too? (uh, i guess it is)

If you read sexist connotations into every insult hurled by both sides you will be a very very busy bee straightening everyone out with your PC willies.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

82. This "PC" shit needs to be unearthed for what it is

The things people criticize as "politically correct" are not issues of political correctness..they are issues of civility...it is wholly uncivil to refer to Kerry as a coward based on all available evidence. It is WHOLLY uncivil to refer to Laura Bush as a prostitute based on all avaliable evidence. There is NOTHING politically incorrect with calling her a whore...in fact...thanks to ridiculous arguments such as yours, it is now COMPLETELY politically correct to make ugly, uncivil statements and promote them as though they are true...then everyone slaps their head and wonders how life got so fucking ugly.

You aren't practicing some kind of political guerilla warfare to advance this crap...you are making life easier for Repubs since NOT THINKING tosses the advantage in their direction.

[Cheswick2.0]

102. oh good, nice to hear from the backlash

not

[NV1962]

79. Now *THAT* is a sexist statement if I ever saw one!

First: let's lighten up a bit - we're starting to look like a bunch of anally retentive puritans here.

Now to the meat of the original post. Cheswick, you'd only have a point if the satire-borne remarks -- to which you so seemingly righteous object -- boil down to calling Laura on her apparent (and as of yet undisproven!) past prostitution activities because she is a woman. Nonesuch seen by me. Else, kindly provide a topic started in that particular vein to disprove me.

You can't.

Because there is no such topic. Moreover: prostitution is not a gender-determined profession. While it's quite likely true that most prostitutes are female, the number of male prostitutes is large enough to refrain from labeling all prostitutes as necessarily female. So, next time you jump the gun shrieking 'sexism' when someone mentions 'woman' and 'harlot' in the same sentence, think again - at the peril of showing a tainted hand yourself. It's a biased accusation to make, akin to accusing Kerry of being a Liberal. As if that's a bad thing. Or are you opposed to prositution altogether? Is that your point?

I think I understand your point about connecting a woman with prostitution in a pejorative fashion as 'too obvious' and/or 'too facile' and therefore a morally reprehensible thing to do.

But I dearly hope that next time satire bites you in the ass, you don't accuse it of fondling your buttocks out of a homosexual obsession - and we all know that attempts at smearing someone with accusations of homosexuality is a reprehensible thing, as accepting of homosexuals and prostitutes as we Liberals are, right? Right?

Jeezus. Next thing: we accuse Kerry of being a politician, just because he happens to be a Democrat...

Oh wait.

Now, about that dog poo fetish...

[Feanorcurufinwe]

106. What an intelligent comment.

And how unsurprising that it received no reply from the OP.

[slinkerwink]

81. I'll have to agree with you, Cheswick

It's lame how men go after women's sexuality in order to demean them.

[RandomKoolzip]

86. Uh....

It was a joke. A joke that happened to use a woman as its target, but a joke nonetheless. It was not meant to demean the whole of women, just one. One woman. I regard all humans as individuals. If a woman does something bad, she should be called on it, just as men are constsntly being called on their misdeeds. Her gender doesn't give her an "out" for me.

And just so's you know I'm not some neanderthal white male predator, lemme give you some background on myself: I used to play drums for a riot grrrl band, I used to co-edit a riot grrrl zine, I've read Wolf, Paglia, hooks, Faludi; my band has played benefits for Take Back the Night and Get Home Safe, and I've marched for women's reproductive rights.

Sexism is systemic. Women earn less money on the whole as men, get their reptroductive rights tampered with, one in four women are raped, a significant number are abused, women in Africa and all over the world are stripped of their rights as humans and sold into slavery. This is all part of a codified set of behaviors set in place over thousands of years. I realize this, and yet a joke directed at Laura Bush doesn't bother me. Calling her an ex-prostitute is no more despicable to me than a bunch of rich white men who never served with John Kerry falsely accusing him of lying about his war record (Or a rich Filipino woman accusing Kerry of wounding himself to look like a hero; again, proof that women do stupid fucking things too, and ought to be called on it) In fact, it's less despicable, because these joke rumors are not meant to be taken seriously, obviously.

Funny how nobody came to Hannity's defense when we accused him of pedophilia. Both were jokes, both intended to demonstrate the effectiveness off spreading unsubstantiated rumors, but only one got denounced by fellow DUers. Do you think Laura Bush would be champion of women's rights if it wasn't politically expedient? Sure, she came to the defense of Afghani and Iraqi women, but that's only because it helped her rich, white husband to do so. (I think all discussions of inequality ought to seen through the "class" lens, personally; Laura Bush can afford to be sexist and oppress poorer women herself, remember.)

In short, I think it might be a good idea in the future to not put this kind of idiocy on some kind of pedestal where it has the power to offend you. It's not worth the steam.

[Misunderestimator]

89. Uh huh... so saying "Dubya is a GIGILO" is just as demeaning...

I doubt that most people would find that to be an insult... more a badge of honor... get the point? Didn't think you would.

[NV1962]

90. Well Cheswick started saying he wanted to make things STRAIGHT!

Why do the two of you hate America... :-(

Badge of honor... Pah! Good luck applying that to a message board. Dog poo eaters, the whole lot of them, I'm telling you...

[Misunderestimator]

93. I read that 5 times, and I can't tell whether you're agreeing with me...

or insulting me... judging from your other post though, I assume you meant something insulting? I'm confused.

[NV1962]

96. Neither - but are you accusing *me* now of eating dog poo?

Besides, I'm no Clinton. I hate blow jobs.

But those steenkin' churches do make great parking lots and shopping malls.

[Misunderestimator]

97. All right... NOW I have a headache.

[RandomKoolzip]

91. Hmmm. Middle America didn't think it was a good trait in Clinton.

And I don't find it to be a good trait in men, either (Do gigolos actually exist?! I always thought they were a figment of some comedy writer's imagination.)

And I DO get the point. If we're gonna insult Laura Bush, Eva Braun, or Ann Coulter or any other women who fight against progressive issues that help women, we must make sure we never reference gender-specific sexuality in any way. Got it.

[Misunderestimator]

94. Yeah, right, you get the point.... let me spell it out for you...

Men can sleep with many women and be considered a "stud" while women who do the same are considered "whores." Now I'm tired of running the "Sexism 101" class for you. Go educate yourself.

[RandomKoolzip]

98. Please re-read my original post.

If you think that I've never heard of the Madonna-Whore complex or the "Stud/slut" debate, you're very wrong. Like I said, I've read most of the "core curriculum" books on women's issues, from Faludi to McClary. I'm well aware of the dichotomy there. I ran with a militantly feminist clique in college, with whom I formed a band and with whom I wrote lyrics about these issues.

I'm not some pig with his hand down his pants and a pregnant wife in the kitchen. I know about this stuff.


I guess finding offense here is just subjective. Any other name but "whore" would have been okay? I admit the joke wasn't even all that great to begin with, but if you're going to slay someone through satire, use the bludgeon, not the epee.

[SemperEadem]

129. that's not necessarily true

in the older generations, perhaps... what I'm hearing from not only my college age daughter, but other 20-30 something women is that there is such a thing as 'male sluts' and they look down on them and won't have anything to do with them... so I don't think that it's as black and white as it used to be way back in the day.

[NV1962]

95. That's a lie! Clinton never ate dog poo in church!

But you got me thinking - what do Laura Bush, Eva Braun, Ann Coulter and Carmen Polo Franco have in common? Dog poo colored their shirts?

:shrug:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

111. Actually it isn't avoiding referencing gender specificity..it is avoiding

using the same demeaning tactics against one of them that happens to be a woman, that have been used against elevating the status of ALL women for years.

It would be tantamount to trying to level the playing field for African Americans treated poorly via our institutions by screaming "N___, N____, N_____" at Clarence Thomas. Not terribly effective and mostly counter productive in terms of the big picture.

[RandomKoolzip]

112. Okay, that makes sense.

Thanks for that. And thank you for not insulting me in the process.

Again, it wasn't even a very effective joke in the first place. The Hannity thread was better at explaining the principle behind the swiftboat smears, IMO.

NSMA, you have just proven to me again why you're my favorite DUer.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

114. Thanks

and I understand the principle behind what Troublemaker was doing....the problem is that becoming your enemy causes you to lose since your enemy's IDEALS are what you are fighting against...one can fight forcefully and smart...didn't Clinton prove that in 92?

[Hekate]

92. Ain't that the truth -- getting at her man via the oldest slur in creation

It's the reason I cringe at the repetition of the word whore applied to female "news" media personalities. Okay, we got the point already. But somewhere around the dozenth time it's reflexively applied it loses its original intent and the misogyny is laid bare -- unless misogyny was its original intent all along.

I followed a DUer's links to another site he said was a hysterically funny thread about Michelle Malkin. A lot of it turned out to be a junior high school level exercise in name-calling directed not at her views but at her gender. (Okay, some of the Photo-shopped book jackets were funny.)

Now, I don't like Malkin at all. Her column appears in my local paper and I think she's another Clarence Thomas wannabe -- stands on the shoulders of giants, thinks she got there all on her own, and all those people down below working their asses off just to keep pace with the bill collector are "failures" who have only themselves to blame.

The dark side of American individualism, in other words. And the point of my saying that is that I despise her narrowness, intolerance and ignorance, and not her intelligence, gender, sexual preference, race, creed, or color.

As for our dear First Stepford Wife, I can dislike what she says in public and stand aghast at her choice of a husband -- BUT. Her husband is the one who is the president, and (as he has pointed out) she has no voice in his decisions.

When we look at some other cultures that come unglued (Sudan, the Balkans) one of the ways that men have of getting at each other is to rape each others' women. At a bare minimum it strikes at the heart of extended family/tribal ties and often destroys them.

Building up a fantasy of Laura Bush "being a prostitute" even if only to make a point about how the Bush/Rove smear machine works is an ugly echo of primitive practices. It's a malevolent means of getting at her menfolk, and something I wish our own culture would think is beneath us.

Hekate

on edit: Laura's saying a lot more in public these days than I was aware of until just now. By all means go after her public statements, both for content and delivery -- and audience. The rest of what I said stands.

[NV1962]

100. Next time someone refers to 'press' or 'government' as corporate whores...

...I expect the PC squad to show up for drill exercise, too.

Deal?

:shrug:

Goes off to file this topic in the 'Waterproof Colander Project' archive...

[Cheswick2.0]

107. "the pc squad"

hopes you get it one day.

[NV1962]

127. Well excuse me for not getting it, I'm just a dumb sexist ogre see...

...but since you insist, here's my response to your endless patronizing bent in this topic. I'll type really slow for your reading ease!

• Lets first get one thing straight, I couldn't care less about Laura Bush.

Apperently you do, defending her gender / womanhood till you're blue red in the face. Let's get another thing straight: if you 'couldn't care less' about anything you wouldn't bother to begin with.

• I don't think she's a good person and if you came up with something legitimate against her I would be fine with that.

Since you condemn satire as illegitimate, I look forward to your guidance as to when, where and how I should interpret the 1st Amendment. Absent your blessing, mind your qualifiers of legitimacy when merely giving your opinion.

• However instead of attacking Bush, you have attacked his WIFE and for what?

My most sincere apologies for not picking a Cheswick-approved target for derision. Please advise what to spoof next, I'll be awaiting your advise with bated breath.

• Not the incident where her ex-boyfriend ended up dead, not for her parenting skills.

Now it's getting interesting... Topics lampooning 'the incident where her ex-boyfriend ended up dead:' check. Topics making fun of 'her parenting skills:' check. Hey, don't believe me - search around on DU for yourself. I bet no less than 10 topics will come up.

• You didn't even make up something interesting such as she is a corporate criminal or smuggled drug money.

On behalf of DU, my sincerest apologies for not providing you with more stimulating, engaging topics. But with the endless stream of topics on Enron, BCCI et al. 'we' were running out of ideas to entertain you. It's not an excuse, mind you, but at least you have an explanation for consolation...

• No, here on DU, supposedly a progressive web site the biggest smear or the most knee-jerk smear that you can come up with is that she's a whore.

Ah, finally it gets really interesting! So, DU is a supposedly progressive 'website' eh? Good thing you got 'our' number, seeing right through the phony veneer! And yes, it's true: in lieu of the creativity that is warranted to capture your delight, 'we' can't help but resort to 'our' primal if not Neanderthal instincts in a sorry attempt to elicit your entertainment! Indeed, what can 'we' concoct to chastize anyone for any reason whatsoever? That's right: 'we' call that person a whore, plain and simple! That's so much a no-brainer. Silly, I admit, since there's no reason whatsoever to consider Laura a disgrace to her gender (e.g., her impeccable vision on abortion, her pristine public track record on women's rights in general) let alone someone who's willing to sacrifice her dignity in exchange for an immoral agenda... Right? Right?

• If she's not a good woman she must be a PROSTITUTE.

You sayeth it. That's EXACTLY the intent of this 'website' and 'us' sexist primates.

• To the men who participated....whatever.

I'm stumped. Speechless here. Honest, I don't know what to say, you so totally smacked me down! I have no recourse but to surrender and concede your point!

• But to the women who participate in this, wake the hell up.

Ah, finally someone who is actually awake enough to quicken the dull and the consciously impaired females on this 'website.' For the past fifteen years I have been wondering when the Big Wake Up Call would arrive - at last the Messiah has arrived to open the eyes of the uncouth and dormant masses!

• If you think you are not living under a debilitating double standard even in 2004 you are truly clueless.

Well here you've lost me. What does 'even in 2004' mean? How does the historically and endemically gender-based inequality (e.g. work / career / remuneration, family planning, health care, expectations in general) differ from this year that you show some albeit minor lenience to the situation?

Read my previous posts: you are more liable to attracting accusations of gender bias, as you infer an explicit and fundamental link between Laura's gender and the issue of prostitution, in banter or not. You bring up a connection that, as I pointed out before, betrays your biased predisposition towards 'women and prostitution' in general far more than my sexist rear end cares to bear.

Make no mistake, Cheswick: I have no problem whatsoever with your points and arguments. Opinions are just that, and diversity of those is the spice of life.

But I find it quite unsettling that -- in spite of all the irony that drips from the relevant topics -- you're deaf to the patronizing thump of your boots waltzing over 'this website.' In my opinion, your form is wanting to at least the same degree as that you chastize 'us' for 'our' sexism.

And yes, I think Laura Bush (and Michelle Malkin, and Ann Coulter... to name just a few strumpets) are professionally pimped by the far right - not because they need it, out of the desperation and oftentimes lack of choice that real prostitutes endure, but because they choose to out of total, utter, complete moral corruption.

They're strumpets by any definition. In my book, that is.

Not because they're women - just as my qualification of the US mainstream press (yes, in general) as a pack of corporate whores is based on their moral void and cowardice to do their job, which is to inform with fairness and accuracy - not to sell out their responsability towards their audience in exchange for a bottom line that even they don't stand to profit from. The off-shore corporations pimping everybody cry for humanity's suffering - all the way to the bank.

But I digress.

Lighten up. Seriously.

[geniph]

104. What bothers me about this

and similar threads is that attacks on women nearly always center on their sexuality, not their actions, not their ideas, not their personal stupidity - it's always their appearance or their sexuality. Talk about Ann Coulter, and you'll get five people to rant about her stupid ideas, and five hundred will make fun of her Adam's Apple or her anorexia. Talk about Laura Bush, and five people will talk about her recent forays into public speaking about stem-cell research, and five hundred will talk about her weight and the way she dresses. Who even notices the way Rush Limbaugh or Dick Cheney dress? Who cares whether Karl Rove has sex with his dog? But mention a woman that people don't like, and start counting down from 10 - you won't make it to 1 before someone mentions her appearance or her sexuality.

[jonnyblitz]

108. rush limbaugh's weight is mentioned in threads about him all

the time! Last I noticed he wasnt a woman. :shrug:

[ibegurpard]

109. I agree with you, however

I think that making a big deal about THIS particular instance (where it should be obvious that no one seriously BELIEVED what was being said) dulls the impact of stating your opposition to the REAL statements that are made like this (all good examples you gave).

[Feanorcurufinwe]

119. Laura Bush's public image is as a devoted wife and mother.

If she were a firefighter, I think it would be funny to satirize her as an arsonist.

[gardenista]

125. What a pathetic analogy.

Why does Laura Bush have to be the target of this "satire" in the first place?

I think that is the point that Cheswick and the rest of us are trying to make.

The idea for the satire was a good one. The content stinks. It was lazy to choose Laura Bush as the target, and irresponsible and sexist to use "prostitution" as the laugh line.

Amateur. Not funny. Opens DU up for the rightfully earned scorn we heap on the lame humor attempt of freepers.

In two words: beneath us.

[Bunny]

121. Right on, geniph!

Candy Crowley's weight is another one. Some folks can't just comment that she's a worthless Bush shill, she has to be a fat and ugly worthless Bush shill. It's aggravating.

[Cheswick2.0]

149. Exactly

Thank you for making the point in a different way.

[sniffa]

151. not true. many center on how ugLy they are

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

113. Sexism popcorn

Editorial note: SEXIST TERMS USED TO MAKE A POINT (consider context)

L is for Laura
for selling her cunt
if we can't win on merit
we'll fling poo and punt

C is for Coulter
she's a smelly old whore
her ideas are fallacious
but why force ourselves to think more?

M is for Malkin
a big bitch as she
cannot hold a candle
to our FEAR OF "PC"

D is for DU
where all game is fair
even if offered up by progressives
who simply blow hot air


So don't stop and wonder
when the world that you've bought
is as totally fucking ugly
as the things you have thought

[David Zephyr]

118. Different View.

No President in history has moralized more,
Than this Bush has from 2000 to 2004,
From Christ, his ‘philosopher’, to condoms and sex,
To the “sanctity of marriage” and sodomy laws in Tex,
So, I feel it’s fair play, that this shit comes to his door,
If I’m a second class queer, then his wife can be a whore.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

123. Ooh...you wanna do popcorn?

But David I find your position a drag
it's just the same as calling Sullivan a fag
the shit that is flung doesn't smear only him
it pollutes the aquarium in which we ALL must swim

Bush indeed is a hypocrite
no protest from me
but since when do we counter this
insincerity with our own hypocrisy?

One can play in the gutter
without using their slime
you can trip them in theirs
it will work all the time

No way am I saying that we
should turn the cheek
or be big or be gracious
or be stupid or weak

We should cause them to stew in
their own ugly shame
not by submitting to them
but by dominating the game

[David Zephyr]

124. Doin' the Popcorn.

I hear what you are saying,
And for the most part agree,
That shitstorms soil all --- including me,
Still, while I won't partake in the stone Troublemaker throws,
I'll sit here and smile as Bush reaps what he sows.

[Cheswick2.0]

130. That's great!

Thanks for the pop corn.

[choie]

116. Bravo (or Brava, as the case may be)

I agree with you, Cheswick. I actually complained to an admin about the poll and various Laura/slut threads (first time I've ever done so) -- not just because they're in bad taste, but because they were posted in a forum that's supposed to be for factual discussion of important campaign issues. If folks must wallow in trash masquerading as "satire" or "humor," I think it should go into the DU Lounge along with the rest of the lighter stuff.

What I worry about is that putting degrading rumors like this in GDC2004 risks dragging DU into the gutter with the FreeperScum and Wingnuts of the media. You think the many casual lurkers reading DU took the time to read all 200 replies to find the disclaimer that this is (intended as) satire? I have almost no posts here, but visit several times a day -- and for a few minutes I was startled into believing that this was real. And I'm not usually gullible, honest! :) (I'm not alone, either: on the poll thread, I saw a few people who were confused and looking for cites about where this rumor was coming from.)

The scary thing is that you KNOW if this gets out, mainstream mediawhores (encouraged by FreeperScum) will decry DU as being an outlet for nasty mudslinging and vicious, false rumor-mongering. And then don't be surprised when we offer the media legitimate leads for investigation -- such as Walt Starr's * medals inquiry -- if they take one look at the source and discredit it as another baseless rumor.

I hope the admins will follow my suggestion and request that such false rumor threads either be banned or remain in the Lounge.

Thanks for the post, Cheswick!

[Cheswick2.0]

131. That would be Brava

and you are welcome. Welcome to DU. I am looking forward to more posts from you.

[Algorem]

117. having that pornographer put through a woodchipper to keep her "scat"

videos off the net was a little much though.

[AmerDem]

120. Get off your high horse Cheswick!

[gardenista]

126. Get out of the gutter, AmerDem eom

[AmerDem]

141. apparently the "gutter" is where Pickles came from!

:bounce:

[Cheswick2.0]

132. No thank you

Get off your low one

[AmerDem]

140. wow

have any others? bahahahah

[gardenista]

122. I'm with you, Cheswick. eom

[citizen snips]

136. Laura would make a bad hooker.

n/t

[Zomby Woof]

142. it was one of the dumbest threads I have ever seen on DU

Which is saying something.

We can be tough AND honest AND fair, these need not be mutually exclusive, as they are with the GOP.

I am sure dissenters will be very defensive, citing how we must beat them at their own game, etc... and are probably the same people who watch Fox to "keep tabs on the enemy". :eyes: Guess they watch too much, and absorb that mentality by some crap form of osmosis.

So yes, sexist, and dumb beyond words.

[Cheswick2.0]

150. Thanks Zomby

[AmerDem]

152. The Thread in question was SATIRE!

Get off the PC bus people!

[Cheswick2.0]

154. and you missed the point of this one

go away and come back when you get it/

PS...thanks for kicking my thread.

[NV1962]

156. When you're done pointing out how others miss 'the' point...

...maybe you'll have time to actually address the points I made earlier and you blissfully overlooked?

P.S. Thanks for allowing others to post on 'your' thread in spite of not getting 'the' point! ;)

[AmerDem]

157. If you hadn't missed the point of the original Satirical thread

you wouldn't have made a fool out of yourself applying real life concern for a thread like this!

There comes a time when people have to take a step back and look deeper into their way of thinking. Now is your time!

[snyder]

153. There's Nothin Worse

than a humorless Democrat

[Cheswick2.0]

155. Sure there is

a sexist one