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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 08:56 AM
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Russia, Georgia, and McCain’s reckless belligerence
Edited on Sun Aug-10-08 09:15 AM by babylonsister
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/16505.html

Russia, Georgia, and McCain’s reckless belligerence
Posted August 10th, 2008


With the conflict between Russia and Georgia moving “toward full-scale war,” even those of us who follow the news closely might pause and think, “Now, what’s that conflict about again?” The NYT’s James Traub wrote a very helpful piece today offering plenty of background and history to explain the context for the violence, and why the parties have been moving towards this war in the North Caucasus for quite some time.

But given the U.S. presidential race, and the fact that this is a political site, I’d also note the significance of Barack Obama’s and John McCain’s reactions to the conflict, which actually tell us quite a bit about their respective approaches to foreign policy. Ben Smith published a solid report on this last night.

While Obama offered a response largely in line with statements issued by democratically elected world leaders, including President Bush, first calling on both sides to negotiate, John McCain took a remarkably — and uniquely — more aggressive stance, siding clearly with Georgia’s pro-Western leaders and placing the blame for the conflict entirely on Russia.

The abrupt crisis in an obscure hotspot had the features of the real foreign policy situations presidents face — not the clean hypotheticals of candidates’ white papers and debating points…. Both American candidates back Georgia’s sovereignty and its turn toward the West. But their first statements on the crisis revealed differences of substance and style.


Obama, calling for restraint and condemning the “outbreak of violence,” also criticized Russia for having “invaded Georgia’s sovereign” and having “encroached on Georgia’s sovereignty.” Obama’s line was largely consistent with that of the Bush White House, the European Union, NATO, and a series of European powers.

John McCain took a different line, which, as Smith noted, “put him more closely in line with the moral clarity and American exceptionalism projected by President Bush’s first term.”

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Let’s be clear: if McCain the Candidate is a reliable indicator of what we can expect from McCain the President, the presumptive Republican nominee would apparently be anxious to exacerbate the burgeoning war, and antagonize Russia.

There’s a lot going on right now, but this is a very important development in the presidential campaign. Ben Smith characterized this as a “true ‘3 a.m. moment’” for the presidential candidates. And at this point, McCain is once again looking pretty scary.

NYT's Traub article here:

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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 08:59 AM
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1. McCain's adviser was and still does work for Georgia as a lobbyist and
Edited on Sun Aug-10-08 09:03 AM by EV_Ares
was a lobbyist for Georgia.

See Kos Post:

Top McCain adviser was lobbyist for Republic of Georgia
by smintheus
Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:50:42 PM PDT
At every turn, John McCain is entangled by the ties of the lobbyists who serve as his campaign staffers and advisers. The sudden outbreak of war in the Caucasus brings to light an especially dangerous example of this, and suggests he'll never be free of his lobbyist problem.

McCain's top foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, was until March a registered lobbyist for the Republic of Georgia. His firm continues to work on behalf of Georgia and other countries in the region. In 2006, lobbyist Scheunemann accompanied McCain on a trip to Georgia. And since Friday, McCain and Scheunemann have been issuing bellicose pronouncements on behalf of Georgia in its conflict with Russia over the breakaway enclave of South Ossetia. However neither of them mentioned that Scheunemann was a Georgian lobbyist.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/9/16183/70040
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 09:40 AM
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3. Yep. TPM has been talking about this non-stop, but nary a word
in the m$m.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 09:46 AM
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5. They are talking about how inappropriate the Obama response was and that
Obama needs someone with foreign policy experience by his side at all times in case some of these situations come up in the next few months (according to Cokie Roberts).
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 09:47 AM
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6. Oy. That comes up here in 15 minutes; Cokie is a repuke tool, so no
surprise there.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 10:19 AM
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8. I can't stand her and her idiotic views...
we need to slam the MSM with emails when they put these kind of "tools" before us on Sunday morning:argh:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 10:40 AM
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9. Yep, real 'balanced' panel there. ABC's intent couldn't be more obvious. nt
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 09:48 AM
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7. I know as many other issues they conveniently leave out. However,
thanks for posting, good post and important in the fact about McCain, lobbyists, his false straight talk & another case where he goes the lobbyists way such as in Ohio with the loss of 8,600 jobs which was his other lobbysist. Can you really trust this man?
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 09:05 AM
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2. has zbigniew brzezinski weighed in on this yet?
Edited on Sun Aug-10-08 09:14 AM by FLDem5
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 09:44 AM
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4. Yes, here's a thread, though I don't think he addresses McCrotchity's
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