Obama made a good show tonight!

[backscatter712]

Of course, the odds were against him - he was walking into the lion's den, but he made a good show.

He introduced his audience, including a lot of evangelical Christians, to the real Barack Obama, not the caricature of Jerome Corsi and all those viral hate emails. Very thoughtful, didn't compromise or pander - still pro-choice, but he reached out, suggested some solutions everyone could agree on, such as working to reduce the demand for abortions, for example.

He was very confident, poised, intelligent and presidential on the stage.

John McCain's just shoveling the same old shit. The same tired old right wing panders, lies and talking points, with the obligatory applause from his fundie base. Of course, these are people who were going to vote for him anyways, so he didn't net any votes he didn't already have.

Overall, Obama's the net winner here. The corporatist right-wing fascist media's gonna spin it otherwise, singing the praises for McCain and dissecting Obama's responses, taking them out of context and making them look bad, but they were going to do that anyways too. They'll play their usual games, but they don't really have anything new to attack with.

So, I'm giving the advantage to Obama. There are lots of undecided voters and moderate Christians who are paying attention, and maybe some of them will decide they like the idea of a President who's smart, will listen to them even if he doesn't agree, won't pander or shovel bullshit.

[valerief]

1. Yeah, and Shuster and company said what a great job McCain did

and that Obama was off the mark. Shuster said Obama answered in an intellectual way. He said it twice within 10 seconds and said it like Obama farted or something. I watched the recap for two minutes, flipped to CNN, and after seeing more of the same, switched off. I knew they'd be all "McCain was decisive" and "Obama was meandering." And they said McCain won. I didn't know it was a contest.

[lamp_shade]

10. Yuh... Buchanan was peeing all over his sneakers

[polpilot]

13. Obama answered in an 'intellectual way', code for Repubs didn't understand the answer.

[CitizenPatriot]

14. exactly! LOL can we start saying that very snottily every time they say that?

write them and say "let me explain, and I'll go slow...cuz we know you didn't get it..."

I'm on a rachel kick too cuz of her google numbers that I am sure drove FEAR into the other hosts on all cable news channels. why can't they get those numbers, they ask?

Isn't rachel like....intellectual?

maybe she with her BIG numbers appeals to the same folks Obama appeals to?

as in

the majority of the voters in this country

:-)

go fug yourself, hysterical hyenas in the msm

RACHEL WINS YOUR JOB!!! ha ha!

and for anyone with half a twitter in their brain, Obama "won" last night, if you must reduce everything down to two choices because your twit of a brain can't handle the possibility of ambiguity. That, my friend, is the sign of very low IQ. You might want to get checked out...

[liberalmuse]

2. I was worried at first, because I tried to put myself in fundie shoes.

and MSM shoes. Of course McCain played well to the fundie base, but all in all, it came across as superficial and staged. McCain did what was expected of him. Obama did better than I thought he would considering all the wedge issues thrown at him, and considering the audience. He didn't get defensive, and wasn't nervous at all or caught off guard.

[ClayZ]

3. I thought Obama was BRILLIANT tonight!

He is amazing. McCain is a dimwit in the comparison.

[bevoette]

4. i was shocked he got as warm a reception as he did...

honestly, he was never gonna get 'this' vote anyway...and he just may have made some inroads

i loved listening to him :)

[opihimoimoi]

5. McCrushed played the ME Card tonight,,,2x pow crap....pity card

drill card
bomb card
military card
heh heh card
high school card

Obama stayed Presidential, serious, and intelligent

He survived the Lions Dens where hunger was evident...

[MrModerate]

6. I just watched the "highlights" on MSNBC because I couldn't get the whole thing . . .

Here in Australia.

And yes, I think a whole bunch of religious people who otherwise would never have seen Obama being thoughtful and sincerely responsive have just seen that. I think that a lot of seeds have been planted that otherwise would never have been sown in fertile soil.

McCain got the boffo claps because the audience was predisposed toward his positions from the git-go. However, Warren's congregation is not exactly knuckle-dragging snake handlers, but more like right-of-center moderates (i.e., the far left wing of today's Republican party). So let's not get overconfident about Obama's heft with the merely religious (as opposed to the insanely religious).

However, I couldn't watch much of McCain. After his comment about supreme court justices, I had to turn it off. Is he really so stupid as to think that a court without any balance to it would be a benefit to America? A court that disenfranchised half of the American people is going to make the country *better*?

No, he's not that stupid -- he's that evil. Oh yeah, "evil." I asked my wife, who's a Christian, about the "defeating evil" crack and according to her, Christian doctrine pretty much reserves "defeating evil" to Jesus and his dad -- regular human beings are supposed to resist evil and are cleansed of the inevitable evil in their souls by Jesus (that's His main job).

For a non-religious person the putrid hypocrisy of pretending that the evil acts of human beings can be anthropomorphized into Evil with a capital "E" -- i.e., some sort of living being or force -- just makes me want to hurl. I think these guys have watched waaaaay too much Star Wars dreck and taken "the Force" a tad too seriously.

Anyway, before today I just despised McCain. Now I hate the fucker.

[DarthDem]

7. Thanks for the Perspective!

I'm nonreligious myself, and so your wife's answer is helpful. Also, in case you didn't see it, Obama's response concerning what to do about evil tracks your wife's exactly. In other words, he got it right.

[FrenchieCat]

8. I wrote a thread about that, and wrote to some "journalists"

specifically in reference to the Defeat vs. Confront Evil answers each gave.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6649359

[demwing]

9. So McCain wins the fundie Vote?

Duh...

The real story that will never get reported here is that Obama gave Progressive Christians a candidate that they could vote for that would satisy both thir political views, and their religious ethics.

McCain may have won the battle, but Obama is strategically winning the war.

[kevinmc]

11. ==Obama is strategically winning the war===

I agree ... he does what he needs to do. He will never get the Rigtwing Crazy Vote ... but he can win over Independents.

[Diamonique]

12. Yes! And I'm positive he won over some Independents..

... and disaffected Republicans last night.

In any case, he probably put 2 of the smears to rest: 1) He's a Muslim; and 2) He's an empty suit.

[backscatter712]

15. He probably will get most of the fundies, but...

All Obama needs to do to really throw a monkey wrench into the GOP's works is take a few percent, maybe 10% of the evangelical votes. That's it. Convince some of the Christians that Democrats, and Obama specifically are better at doing things like helping the needy, promoting social justice, and bringing sorely needed peace to the world, something that almost all of the Christians I know would like to see, and that maybe they should take the blinders off and see what kind of politics are out there when you're not looking sorely at the wedge issues - God, guns, gays and abortion; and see what else needs to be done out there.

Get a few of them to vote for Obama, get a few of them to stay home in disgust rather than vote for McCain, and the Repukes won't be able to win.

[demwing]

16. Precisely. Take the fight to your opponent's home turf

The more time McCain spends winning over his base, the less time he spends winning over independents.