Tonight should put one thing to rest regarding "Clinton" supporters

[rufus dog]

who threatened to vote for McCain. ARE YOU FUCKING NUTS!

Clinton supporters are in quotes because I have never met one who made the claim. Keep hearing that they exist and if they do and still feel that way after tonight then they have some deep issues.

[Naturyl]

1. I doubt any actually exist.

If they do, then a psychiatric evaluation seems in order. Either that or they need to share what they are smoking.

[Skittles]

2. what will put the people trashing the Clintons to rest?

[JackORoses]

3. when the Convention is over and they fade from sight

[Skittles]

5. um - wrong

the answer is IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN

[xchrom]

9. you're right skittles. nt.

[1Hippiechick]

16. SELF-promotion over PARTY-promotion will not be forgotten or overlooked in the future..very telling

I suspect after both Clintons' behaviors during this election their popularity will be on thedecline....their "endorsement" of Obama has been very telling, e.g., they are interested in SELF-promotion rather than PARTY promotion. People will not forget. And, we have yet to see what is going to happen in Denver. Digging a hole, I believe.....

[paulk]

17. oh, horseshit

just more of the usual babble from you.

it's all just another excuse to bash the clintons

[1Hippiechick]

22. "just more of the usual babble from you." Is that the best you've got? LOL

looks like you enjoy bashing others on this board, as well. Here's just one....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3698810&mesg_id=3702348

[paulk]

33. what are you, in gradeschool?

"Teacher, teacher! Paul said something mean about so and so!"

Grow up.

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It seems strange to me, with the convention only days away - a convention where party unity is a must and is being actively sought by the presumptive nominee, that folks like you are STILL doing their best to divide the party by casting the most vile of aspersions on two of the most popular members of that party.

[1Hippiechick]

34. "Teacher, teacher! Paul said something mean about so and so!" Is that the best you've got?!? LOL

[paulk]

43. is it too difficult for you to address my point?

why are you continuing to trash the Clintons at a time when the party needs unity?

What purpose does it serve?

You might even address why you think behaving like a five year old on this board is acceptable.

[1Hippiechick]

46. "why are you continuing to trash the Clintons at a time when the party needs unity?"

Gee, it might be because they are the REASON we are not unified. Let me ask you a question: What has either of them done to HELP UNIFY the Democratic Party since Obama was named presumptive nominee? Since you so highly esteem your own opinions, I can hardly wait to hear your response to this query.

And your comment to me -"You might even address why you think behaving like a five year old on this board is acceptable." is laughable. Read back upline at what YOU have posted. You are labeling and name-calling. LOL How old are you?

[Whisp]

40. Hillary was the one casting vile asparagus during the primaries.

and some of us are not willing to fuggetabootit and suddenly place trust in her.
she made her bed and is lieing in it.
she took the negative gamble and crossed the line

Nothing Obama said or did during the primary came even close to the kind of crap she pulled out of her sorry ass, to save her sorry ass.

[paulk]

44. well, that's pretty subjective

and I'm sure that person who is your avatar doesn't agree with you when it comes to your continued negative and divisive behavior.

[Whisp]

48. very true, i'm sure Obama would not approve of what i'm saying.

:rofl:
but Hillary didn't disaprove about some of the things that were said about Obama, in fact she has her own stack of asparagus.

I guess Barack is a better person than the both of us. :)

see ya later, I'm going to dinner at my mom-in-laws (she likes Hillary but is such a sweet woman I can't burst that balloon for her) and she serves the best rye and coke in the world. don't know why, but it's true - same brand, coke, same water, but mmmmmmmm, good.

[jobycom]

28. Sigh. This is just so untrue.

I guess you really believe it, and that's so sad, and it should make you sad, because the media will do the same thing to Obama that they've done to the Clintons. They will misrepresent him, make him seem selfish and deluded and ego-centric, just as they've done to the Clintons, to Gore, to Kerry, to Jackson, to Carter... When it is done to someone you like or respect, maybe then you'll look back and realize that they've been doing it all along, and that your opinions of some very good people have been twisted by the corporate MSM's desire to split and destroy the Democratic Party. Of course, then you'll be shaking your head in frustration and sadness at the people who fall for it then, wondering how they can't see that every bit of hatred and bile they feel comes from slanted, misrepresented, and biased reporting.

[tigereye]

38. exactly - I think the media duns everyone who rises to a certain level -

it's bizarre.


He whom the Gods would humble they first make great....

[jobycom]

41. Harvey Dent said it best. "You die a hero, or you live long enough

to see yourself become the villain."

[1Hippiechick]

39. No offesne, but I am years ahead of you on this one. I am so tired of posting these links here, so

I will just tell you: go to YouTube and search for Happiness Machines by DyingStarAlliance. It is in 6-parts, each about 10 min in length

"This series is about how those in power have used Freud's theories to try and control the dangerous crowd in an age of mass democracy." - Adam Curtis

BUT, you have to watch them all to see the progression - I gave these links to someone who obviously didn't watch them because he came back and accused me of being a hippie who preferred tomato juice to his Coke. What an idiot! Assumptions because of my screen name AND his own biases! This series goes much deeper than that. "The scales fell from my eyes." May they fall from yours, too, although it sounds as if you are already attuned to this.

Here is the link to the first one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeEXDQNsJtU

Peace.

[jobycom]

42. Thanks for the link, I'll watch it when I've got some time. But my thing is the media.

My degrees are in history, which deals a lot with how evidence is manipulated to create an image. I've watched what they did to the Clintons, from the attacks on Bill in the 90s to what they did to Senator Clinton in the last year. I've watched the specific devices and tactics they used to convince liberals that she wasn't a liberal, and to convince people that she was going racist on Obama, and was in it for herself, and all that. You learn to look at evidence for itself, without the slant, when you've done it as much as I have, and then you see the slant for what it is.

The media did a hit job on the Clintons. And on Gore, and Jackson and Kerry and I'm sure you can come up with a few more. People will eventually see it, as they see it now with Gore. By then they'll be doing it to Obama--well, they already are, but it hasn't begun in earnest yet.

The Clintons are far from perfect, but neither deserves any of this. And it's exactly the same lie they always paint our most effective leaders with, you notice. They are attention hogs, they can't stand being out of the limelight, they will say or do anything to get more power. Remember Jesse Jackson? Al Gore? John Kerry? Every feminist and Civil Rights activist we've ever produced? It is EXACTLY the same lie they always tell about our strongest advocates.

We should as liberals and progressives thoroughly refuse to be fooled again by the media.

[1Hippiechick]

45. This series is about the media. And I share your pain. Once one discovers how we, the people, have

been duped, one wants to tell the world to wake up! It becomes surreal to watch what is happening all around oneself - like some futuristic horror movie, IMO.

[JackORoses]

36. not if they have anything to say about it, obviously

[1Hippiechick]

15. Do we dare to dream of an end to the Bushes and Clintons? n/t

[OmahaBlueDog]

4. The convention, I suspect

[rufus dog]

6. read it again

I am not trashing the Clintons and DO NOT believe that any substantial number of Clinton supporters will vote for McCain. Get it, tonight will put that bullshit to rest.

[grillo7]

10. I wish I could believe that...

but I actually know people who WILL vote for McCain now. It sounds insane, but it's true! I know others who will just sit it out...Now, my social circle isn't that large, so there must be others who are using the same sort of deranged logic.

[pecwae]

12. Nothing.

Seems it's a helluva lot more satisfying to many Democrats to trash another Dem; especially if that Dem's name is Clinton. Root of all evil and all that.

[tekisui]

19. Do you consider this OP a "trash Clinton" post?

If you do you may be a little over-sensitive.

[PassingFair]

47. When the DLC becomes a subordinate faction of our party.

And stops running us into the ground.

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

7. There's no such thing as a "Clinton supporter"

Seeing as it's been over two months since there was a Clinton candidacy to support.

[Marrah_G]

23. One can support her as a Democratic Senator

[shayes51]

25. and a great VP pick.

[MrModerate]

8. Actually, I still support Clinton . . .

Hillary as senator (and a pretty good one), as a campaigner for Dems, as Majority Leader (please, please, please push Reid out!), and as policy wonk. Bill as roving ambassador for America generally and philanthropic powerhouse.

[maddiejoan]

13. Ditto

:toast:

[jesus_of_suburbia]

20. I still support her too... but I support Obama for President.

I'll still take up for the Clintons when people trash them on this board, so I am a Clinton supporter. I just don't support her for President.

[Rockholm]

31. 100% in agreement!

[jobycom]

11. Obama should choose Clinton just for semantics.

Then we could all be Obama supporters and Clinton supporters, and Clinton-bashing threads would become grounds for tombstoning. :)

And I'm saying that with a smile, and it is not a criticism of the OP, who made it very clear he wasn't bashing anyone, but was just making a point. :thumbsup:

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[Honeycombe8]

27. I saw 2 on TV. Interviewer (Shuster? Abrams?) did a gotcha by pointing out...

that one of those guys (a gal) was actually a MCCAIN supporter in 2000 and contributed $500 to his campaign in 2000. Then the interviewer had a short Q&A session with them about the allegations that most of those supposed "Clinton supporters" who will be voting for McCain are actually Republicans or at least McCain supporters to begin with....and NOT Democrats.

One of the guys (the guy) said he hadn't voted for a Republican in years. So I think he really was going to vote for Clinton in 2008...maybe. What he did NOT say was that he had not contributed to a Republican campaign in recent years. He did NOT say that he is a registered Democrat. The gal was all wet in this Q&A...caught off guard that the interviewer knew about her support for McCain in 2000, and she never quite recovered, or convinced me that she was not a Republican or planted McCain supporter pretending to be a Clinton supporter, planted for the purpose of stirring up trouble among Dem. supporters.

And that's the name of that tune (as Barretta would say).

[Motown_Johnny]

29. It was Abrams, the donation could not be denied, We keep track of those kind of things

you can lie about who you voted for because it is difficult (if not impossible) to prove either way.



I think they were both lying about pretty much everything

[ErinBerin84]

35. Shuster interviewed her too, on Hardball. She was probably the same woman on Abrams

[csziggy]

32. The woman in the Abrams interview looked like an Ann Coulter wannabe

I had the sound off for the preceeding commercial and that was my first impression before I even heard what they were talking about.

What real Democrat would imitate Coulter like that?

[monomach]

37. The McCain lover is Darragh Murphy (pic inside)

She's pretty obviously a Republican, no matter how often she and the media call her a "lifelong Democrat." The PUMAs who believe her are sheeple akin to that fat West Virginian lady who said she wouldn't vote for Obama because she'd "had enough of HOOOOO-SAIN!"

[barack the house]

30. We should refer to them as PUMA to make the distinction very clear.

[LVjinx]

49. So you wrote a post, asking people you don't believe exist, if they are nuts?

There's some irony in that.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

50. I have issues with the Clintons, BUT

HRC endorsed BHO unequivocally when she withdrew/suspended and has since then consistently urged her supporters to vote and work for him. I have no reason to doubt that an overwhelming majority will do just that. According to the Obama campaign, HRC has done all she has been asked to do and then some.

I expect Hillary to give a good, supportive speech in Denver. I think Bill has behaved far less graciously and professionally towards Obama since June than Hillary has. I have no idea what to expect from Bill.