There is no way a Democrat defeats McCain in 2012 if he wins this one...

[Franks Wild Years]

Seriously.

It. Will. Not. Happen.

This is the the only and only chance to ensure that there is not another EIGHT years of Republican rule. If McCain lands the White House, he retains despite implimenting a catastrophic economic policy, despite crushing the right to choose and indeed the right to use birth control pills or anything which acts similarly.

He scares the American public into voting his way due to a foreign policy crisis completely of his making. He blames Democratic Senators & Reps for the out of control economy & $6 gas prices, so they are replaced wholesale in 2010 & 12 GOP landslides.

Anyone who is wavering - and I'm not refererring so much to this place, as I believe even the biggest Clinton, Edwards, Kucinich supporters understands the urgency of an Obama victory - MUST be given these truths. They MUST be put in their place. Otherwise they'll get the administration they deserve & millions of others don't. And there won't be any sympathy from me when its their daughters bleeding to death after a botched back-street abortion or their son's corpse from which shrapnel is being plucked on unfriendly foreign shores.

It's time to think. Hope, change, peace & recovery is the only way out of this distressing, violent, reactionary mess.

[Spouting Horn]

1. I'm sure that

Hillary would have a differing POV.

Why is Obama giving the Clintons 2 of the 3 convention nights?

[Whisp]

21. because the third night is the one that matters.

and I think (hope) that that one is Obama's night and his alone to shine like the star he is.

maybe I'm not up to par on this but I think Obama was correct in letting the Clintons have their way on those 2 days, but leave that last day alone.

unless they horned in on that one too? did they?

[book_worm]

30. isn't there four nights of the convention? Mon-Thur

[saltpoint]

2. Despite the unreliable early polls showing a relatively close race,

the trendlines are all blue and getting bluer, suggesting to me the strong possibilty of 5-6 more Senate seats, a couple dozen more house seats, and the Oval Office.

That's a pretty good haul for a given November evening.

McCain's own campaign can't see past the end of his two-sided face and the Obama campaign appears to be doing a dolphin dance around McCain's shark.

Hard work still to do, yes. But the trends are looking good.

[Franks Wild Years]

9. Please be right!

On the one hand, I'm generally managing to be pretty optimistic (I think it's actually this place which makes me worry more at times.... ;)) but obviously it's incredibly tense knowing what's at stake. Additionally, I've had three dreams about election night and McCain has prevailed in each of them, which, admittedly, may not be the most accurate of indicators....

[saltpoint]

11. That wasn't a "dream" dream. That was the ravioli and green beans

talking.

!

[Motown_Johnny]

3. Not Even Hillary???

[Franks Wild Years]

5. Especially Not Hillary...

First of all, revelations about her campaign and how it attempted to tar Obama keep popping up. She's alienated a great many people who could now never give her enthusiastic support. Then there's the usual right-wing "Clinton-Baggage". She's a tarnished brand and against a GOP incumbancy floating the usual scares and gimmicks she'd be toast.

[BlooInBloo]

8. Not a chance.

[qazplm]

10. warner will run in 2012

if we have a McCain presidency.

I dont think Hillary is going to be able to beat him easily.
I dont think anyone would be able to beat him easily.
I dont think Obama would have been able to either by the way.
He's Edwards and Obama combined. All the believability of Obama, and all the southern white male cred of Edwards.

[JackORoses]

12. Hillary couldn't even win this year.

[styersc]

19. Had we gone with the better qualified candidate...

,,,Hillary would have won this year. Unfortunately we went for the prettiest candidate and now we are in a dead heat when all indicators said this should have been a walk away win for the Dem's.

It's going to take a miracle and hard work to pull this out.

[rockymountaindem]

22. Good one!

Hillary would be behind at least 5 points by now, if not more. Never underestimate the irrational hatred that exists for the Clintons out there.

[JackORoses]

23. she lost to Obama, she would have lost to McCain

but you get an A for stubbornness.

[LVjinx]

28. McCain can't play the race card. Therefore, he couldn't have beaten Hillary

[JackORoses]

29. He would play the Clinton card. And that would be all she wrote...

[elocs]

4. If the Democrats cannot beat McCain this year with the situation in this country,

the economy in the crapper, people losing their homes, billion$ spent each month on foreign wars, and everything else that is wrong, then we may as well pack it in because under what other conditions would Democrats ever win the presidency?

[Franks Wild Years]

6. Exactly.

If Obama fails this year, under these conditions, perhaps the only way a Democrat EVER gets in is by playing the Republicans at their own game and adopting strong, uncompromising pro-life, anti-gay & pro-war messages as their own.

[Thrill]

7. Democrats are their own worst enemies. They crossover much more than Republicans

Thats why Republicans win these elections. If Democrats stick together this yr. It will be a landslide. But we know they won't.

[AndyTiedye]

15. Our Party Has Always Had a Serious Boll Weevil Infestation

In the past few years it has spread as far as Connecticut.

[AndyTiedye]

17. dup

[Motown_Johnny]

14. After 4 years of McGaffe the situation could be much much worse

[barack the house]

13. Exactly, it's the worst gamble in the world to say 2012 it'll get handed back they stay on a path-->

once on it Bush's 2nd term proved that. McCain simply means everyone is toast.

[Franks Wild Years]

16. Exactly. This is the chance.

This is the one chance to put not just the USA but THE WORLD on the road to something better, something a bit less frightening. Otherwise it's a one track, fear-mongering eight years. And then probably another eight after that. The Republicans have been frighteningly dominant since 1980. ONCE PEOPLE GROW UP WITH A CERTAIN WAY, IT'S HARD TO PULL THEM AWAY FROM THAT. The Republican dominance and likelihood of permanent rule increases exponentially with every Presidential campaign from which they emerge victorious.

ANYONE who doesn't get behind Obama deserves every bit of misery they'll get from a McCain administration. The rest of us, unfortunately, do not.

[roseBudd]

27. It is a gamble that could see nuclear armageddon with McCain in charge

[AndyTiedye]

18. Do You Really Think McAncient Would Last Until 2012?

It will be whatever wingnut he picked as VP by then.
We could be totally Fuckabeed by then and living "A Handmaiden's Tale".

[Franks Wild Years]

20. Well, of course there's a good chance of that being the case.

Probably makes a Republican win even easier because there's less McCain baggage for them to have to explain away.

[quakerboy]

24. I disagree

I do not believe there is enough strength left in the country to last 4 more years of ever worsening crisis. After 4 years of McCain it will be a moot point as anyone with the money to do so will have fled the country, and anyone left will be doing their best to scavenge food and elections will be the last thing on anyones mind.

Your statement also assumes that a war with Iran or Russia will not have reduced his McCainness to so much irradiated meat by 2012. Which I strongly feel is an unwarranted assumption.

[Vinca]

25. I think if McCain "wins," it will be with the help of Diebold or whatever

they call themselves now. If that happens, this is no longer the United States of America, it's the Republican States of America. There will be a permanent, Republican presidency.

[Blue_In_AK]

26. McCain could well be dead in four years.

He's an old guy and the presidency is "hard work."

[Independent_Voice]

31. It won't even matter if a Dem won in 2012

If McCain serves from 2009-2013, he most likely gets to appoint judicial replacements for Stevens, Ginsburg, and Kennedy.

That's three judicial slots of guaranteed wingnut takeovers on the highest court in the land within the next four years, leaving Souter and Breyer (or possibly Roberts, on some issues) out in the dust, 7-2.