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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:38 PM
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Constructive Criticism
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 05:33 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
Crying over spilt milk is unproductive, but denying the existence of spilt milk is delusional. To have a rational view of the election it is essential to discard the accumulated primary season mythology and see the world as it is.

Barack Obama is likely to win this election. Intrade’s 60% chance is a reasonable guess-timate of where we are. Barack Obama is also quite capable of losing this election. (Again, Intade's 40% is not unreasonable. If one prefers 30% or 25%, that's still way too high for something so important. Your odds of losing in Russian Roulette are only about 17%, but I still don't play the game.)

Obama is the nominee and second-guessing is out of order. Some think that not second-guessing the primaries means that everyone needs to overlook all deficiencies in the candidate or campaign. That is wrong. Not second-guessing the primaries means accepting the reality of the situation and proceeding rationally.

Obama retains the strengths and weaknesses he always had. He is smart, charming and remains generally favored by the media on a personality level. He has lots of donors and lots of ground-level strength. He inspires some of the population which is a lot better than none. He can count on eye-popping margins and turnout in some demographics. He is a unique political talent.

Strengths notwithstanding, he was always the least electable ‘mainstream’ candidate in the primaries (sorry Dennis) and was the only candidate who could possibly lose to McCain in the most favorable presidential year the Democratic Party has seen since 1976 or 1964. That was always known, as was the fact that Obama was tempermentally among the further right candidates and, being the only candidate who would find himself in a close race, was likely to feel a need move further right during the general election than other candidates would have.

It was also known that Obama’s signature Iraq stance would not be a big plus outside the Party. And it isn’t. “Trust to handle Iraq” is Obama’s worst issue (except the symbolicaly related terrorism and “judgement in a crisis’) and if this election were a referendum on Iraq--which it is not--Obama would lose and take much of the party down with him. The public is fickle... 2006 isn't 2008.

So none of what we are seeing is a surprise; close race, candidate staking out rightward positions, Iraq an unproductive issue, possibility of losing to a belligerent mummy.

No sense crying about it, and no sense denying it. We are in a somewhat tougher race than some expected, but that doesn't suggest either despair or complancency.

Obama is, after all, still favored to win, even if by default as the Dem nominee. So the issue is how to limit the inevitable rearing of human nature’s ugly head that always sinks us in the fall. People are more hopeful in their decision-making the further off the decision is. As the decision approaches people become more cautious. That’s why Dems are good at leading in July but not so good at leading in November. Hope vs. Fear.

So a decent sized chunk of the electorate has to fear John McCain. That doesn’t mean fear that he will blow up the world. There is only one issue this year, so people need to FEAR that under John McCain they will end up living on the sidewalk. If that means saying, literally, "he will mis-manage us into a depression to serve his rich buddies" or even "he doesn't care about you!" then so be it. Fear must be induced, even at the expense of being loved by all.

If it becomes apparant that Plan A isn't working then the question becomes, is the Obama campaign drinking its own Kool-Aid; do they actually believe in what was claimed during the primary? If they do he cannot win. Believing the primary hero-myths about winning tons of Republicans, being more electable than any other Dem, etc., would mean they have no concept of the American electorate as it exists. If, however, the primary line was just a fantasy narrative spun out for the masses then there is room for hope.

Some things the campaign needs to do:
1) Stop believing you are geniuses. It is provable that knowing how to work the Democratic primary system is not any sort of indicator of knowing how to win the general election. (All Democratic candidates won the primaries. Most Democratic candidates lose the general election. One of the most impressive primary campaigns I’ve ever seen was Mike Dukakis. Bill Clinton’s primary campaign was sort of a mess. Lyndon Johnson lost to Kennedy in the primaries but went on to run an amazing take-no-prisoners general election in 1964. Carter worked magic in the primaries and very nearly lost to the guy who pardoned Nixon. And so on.) The Obama campaign has wonderful organizational strengths but is, in terms of message management and concept of the electorate, among the worst general election campaigns I’ve ever seen. The Obama campaign is not “masterful” and folks need to stop reading their press clippings and get some help from people who know what they are doing. The Obama campaign has not done much right since February. That is SIX MONTHS AGO. Starting March 1, 2008, the Obama campaign has a) flirted with losing to a candidate who was all but mathematically eliminated, and b) parlayed the biggest bundle of political assets any living Dem has ever seen into a tie with a mummy. That is not success, and there is no upside to thinking it is.

2) Forget 2006. Presidential races are unlike any other elections. Even while Reagan was crushing Dems like beer cans the Dems held big majorities in the House of Representatives. So what happened in 2006 is not transferable.

3) Accept that the fad aspect of the campaign has run its course. If the Obama campaign knew they were creating a transitory media sensation as the first act in what would become a traditional campaign then hats off to them. If, however, they actually believed that a fad is a movement they will find themselves unable to handle the campaign dynamic going forward.

4) Drop “Hope and change” except as a good slogan. The nation is in crisis. Partisanship and lobbyists are not the problem, nor is a lack of optimism. The problems are that the collapse of a housing bubble is poised to take down the US and everyone we trade with (which is everyone), and energy is expensive and will not get much cheaper. (The only reason energy will get cheaper is a reduction of global demand caused by a global depression sparked by the collapse of our housing bubble, so be careful what you wish for.) There are no other issues. People say they want “change” because where they are sucks, not out of a high-minded interest in political reform.

5) Pick the strongest possible old Washington insider as VP, not some nobody who is seen as matching an arbitrary “change” concept that is wholly irrelevant to what swing-voters will be voting on. (People are not so much tired of the way Washington works as they are terrified of finding themselves living on the sidewalk.) Either Biden, The Nameless One or some wildly outside the box economy-centered pick that will put Wall Street firmly in Obama’s camp. (They are scared too. The fear among the monied interests is palpable and the situation has moved beyond the usual “who will have the lowest capital gains tax” calculations.)

6) Stop dreaming about historical landslides and accept that the future of the world is in the balance and the candidate’s only job is 50% + 1. Sew up the election before looking to burnish your place in history. Concentrate on Ohio and Michigan above project states like Colorado, Virginia, and Nevada. (If Obama wins Virginia he won't need Virginia. If we get VA it'll be in an easy win.) Accept that discouraging non-base turnout is an essential part of a modern campaign. (i.e. Negativity) The necessary numbers are lying on the table but you need to pick them up, not count on the center-left’s desperation and fear to secure their votes while you flirt with the center-right.

7) Stop reaching out for approval from project groups. This appears to be the Obama campaign’s most glaring blind spot. Obama is not bigger than the party. Obama is ten points behind the party! He needs to embrace the Democratic Party, get partisan and hope the national Dem advantage can carry his under-performing candidacy across the finish line in a down-and-dirty traditional base election. (For instance, first-trimester choice is a majority issue. The only reason to act so embarrassed about it is to try to finese a mammoth landslide. Since that horse left the barn months ago, motivate the 51% you’ve got. When the numbers are on your side, make people afraid of McCain.)

8) Be in crisis mode on the economy. Act like the economy was equivalent to an asteroid scheduled to hit New York next week. In the public mind Obama has no more intrinsic persoanl credibility on the economy than McCain does. (His advantage on the economy is more partisan than personal) So Obama needs to step up and grab the thing with both hands, delegate to expertise in a very public way and demonstrate that the economy is more pressing than the campaign. The optimum would be to take a week off the campaign in Sept. huddled with his world-class bipartisan economic team with the promise to deliver an economic plan at a fixed time at the end of the summit. Yes, he has a million economic proposals on his web-site. The point is theater and having people attach their specific hope to something presented as being dynamic—created in real time in the way one crafts policy during a crisis. It makes little difference what the plan even says, as long as it a) contains some elements he has not previously proposed, and b) is as breathlessly anticipated as the election of a Pope. This would be largely theatrical, but so were FDR’s fireside chats and even his dollar-a-year men. No matter how cynical the MSM tried to be, the public would await the emergency response with hopeful anticipation and would embrace pretty much whatever resulted. (Everyone secretly knows there are no good answers, but they want someone to at least grant them the respect of acting like the world is one fire, because that’s how it feels to people right now.)
To those who will thank me for my concern, you’re welcome.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:48 PM
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1. a really great post
Dukakis was a terrific primary candidate and we know how that went.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:54 PM
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2. Pack your bags and head to Chicago. The campaign needs you. Recommend. nt
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:00 PM
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3. Spot on
kicked and R'd.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:14 PM
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4. You won't get as many replies
as people frothing over completely unprovable charges of plagiarism, but such is the way of the world (and DU).

Recommended.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:18 PM
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6. I don't want too many replies! (I know what they would be like)
As you know, my odd signature genre has always been the post with more recs than replies.
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Independent_Voice Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:17 PM
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5. So then no Tim Kaine in the V.P. slot -- I'll co-sign that!
Honestly, at this point Kaine is the one element that would drive me away from an Obama ticket.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:30 PM
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7. K&R Excellent Post
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:18 PM
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19. Drive away? Hmmm... That's to strong for me, but he sure doesn't attract.
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:42 PM
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8. Sounds good to me! k&r
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:53 PM
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9. I salute your courage, and your post...
even if I don't agree with every point.

I'm also a believer in any and all information, and in realism. That doesn't mean there isn't a need -- and a desire -- for cheerleading our candidate and our side and maintaining a positive 'tude. That's absolutely essential!

But heads-in-the-sand, IMO, is counterproductive. It's damn hard for a Democrat to be elected President in this country. We HAVE to do it this time, though. And constructive criticism should be welcome.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:04 PM
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10. We all do what we're good at.
I am a poor cheerleader and many folks are great at it. I am, however, a cracker-jack Cassandra.

From each according to his abilities.

I enjoyed your own bracing post today, which inspired me to just say what what on my mind, flame be damned.

And I'm sure no one would agree with my every word, nor should they. I have my own cranky perspective and I wouldn't wish it on anyone!

But my comments about fear I'm sure of. Obama has already about maxed out on the positive. He has the folks who will love him. The rest must be made to fear McCain, and specifically on the economy.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:53 PM
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11. I think I could agree with that point. Even folks in the upper brackets...
who just don't want their taxes raised should get a clue. Memo: If this ship goe down, we're ALL on it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:56 PM
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12. You have a right to an opinion on how Obama should run his campaign
However, I doubt that you have the credential to know what actually works....although you may think you do.

Your campaign sounds reasonable however, and I suggest that you think about running next time.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:25 PM
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16. Amazing, isn't it
All of the arm-chair warriors who feel the need to tell Senator Obama what he needs to do to win in Nov.

I bet with all of this expertise this poster could offer wonderful solutions as to how a senator can retire their campaign debt.
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Impedimentus Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:04 PM
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13. Excellent post
Nice to see some reality. Pt. 8) is the key to victory, IMO.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:14 PM
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14. "Some things the campaign needs to do:" WTF?
1) Stop believing you are geniuses.

Oh, that arrogant Obama campaign?

2) Forget 2006.

Let's not

3) Accept that the fad aspect of the campaign has run its course.

David Brooks?

4) Drop “Hope and change” except as a good slogan.

Hillary?

5) Pick the strongest possible old Washington insider as VP, not some nobody who is seen as matching an arbitrary “change”

Hillary?

6) Stop dreaming about historical landslides...

Aim low?

7) Stop reaching out for approval from project groups.

Concede the 8% of Republicans and 50% of Independents to McCain?

8) Be in crisis mode on the economy.

Have you been to Obama's site lately?



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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:18 PM
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15. A lot of solid advice. Thanks. nt
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Eyes_wide_ open Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:55 AM
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17. I am so very glad

that Obama is our candidate and not you. You see I really WANT an Obama presidency, not just any democrat ... although this time around it really is about anyone but McCain and I would vote for whoever was nominated. It seems to me reading your post that you are voting for him only because he's a Democrat but would truly prefer someone else. That does put us on the same team, but doesn't guarantee we agree on much else.

You may believe you know all about general elections, but as a dyed in the wool Democrat you really don't know anything at all about "them"- those people out there that aren't voting for your party but can be convinced to vote for our candidate. I do, I'm one of them, and if Obama were to do as you suggest I wouldn't have been here in the first place. Who he is and what his message is are the things that convinced me ... and I'm one of those older white working women. It's HIS message that will the vote of other indies and those that haven't been paying attention yet, not yours.

Drop hope and change indeed, have you been paying attention at all? That exactly what America wants, whether you believe it or not.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:06 AM
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18. Your points are well taken and appreciated
I have no doubt there are many of "them." They question is whether "them" are sufficient to add up to a victory.

If the promise of Obama being bigger than the Party were being borne out in reality I would say, "Not my preference, but you can't ague with success" and leave it at that.

But the presumed strength among indys is not readily apparent using the measures we all (including campaigns) use to assess such questions.

The constant, "Why isn't he doing better?" is not mere Chicken-Littling. It is an acknowledgment of the fact that Democratic candidates do worse in November than in August so the presumption that Obama will suddenly pull away late is not automatic. It may happen but it's just not obvious.

The few post-Vietnam winning Dem presidential candidates we've seen all polled better in the summer and held on to win by a narrower margin. Our losing candidates all lead in the Summer also. Even Mondale was tied at one point in the summer.

And I can hardly apologize for wanting a Democratic presidency more than wanting an Obama presidency. If someone else were the Dem nominee I would be voting for them, and if Obama were a third party candidate I would be voting Dem rather than for him, so of course my interest is more in party than in Obama specifically.

But I appreciate your enthusiasm and devotion because it is an essential component of the Democratic win I desire.
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Eyes_wide_ open Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:40 PM
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20. I do understand what your saying, and I readily admit
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 09:44 PM by Eyes_wide_ open
to being very naive about the inner workings of party politics. This is my first foray into your world and DU has proven to be quite the education lol. In all my life I've only know of ONE person that I've knew was a card carrying party member, my grandfather, who when I was small and we would go visit once a year or so, would ask if we were Democrats or Republicans ... because the Democrats would have to go sleep out in the barn ;) but we were children and that's as much as I know about what he thought about politics.

My entire world is populated with independents and LIV's, and with those who believe the system is so broken they don't vote at all so I know how many of them are out there. And obviously, I see the whole process a bit differently than someone from your standpoint. Personally, I don't put much stock in the polls for a couple of reasons. First because, like all statistics, they can be twisted to prove any point you'd like to make. Secondly because they can't possibly account for the people I know. Up to this point they haven't even been paying serious attention yet. Even if they were, half the people I know don't even have landlines, strictly cellular, and rarely get polled. Exactly one time, in my life have I received one of those calls and I told them I would vote for the first MFer that admitted he inhaled LOL yes, it was a long time ago.

There is no way that I would expect you to apologize for wanting a Democratic presidency more than an Obama one. I truly understand the need for that this time around, and I was prepared to vote accordingly myself no matter who won the primary. This country will not survive four years of Insane McCain and I'm happy to work with anyone that wants to defeat him. I'm fortunate to be able to vote for the person I most want to see as president.

The thing is, that I don't think that this is your typical election year. As a member of the working poor (I still claim that category though truthfully I'm unemployed at the moment) I'm part of the group that has been hit hardest by Bush's failed policies. As close as we can get to pulling yourself up by the bootstraps is scraping by on a shoestring and that's no joke. Even the most apathetic and cynical among us are aware that if changes aren't made soon it will be too late. Many that have never voted before, or gave up long ago will make the effort for someone that offers them hope.

Most of these folks have no faith at all in politicians, if they vote at all it will be because someone offers them hope of change. Barak Obama has that power, he is an exceptionally good speaker. To most here at DU that isn't nearly as important as the issues, and I agree, but to these other people until they have some hope the "issues" are just so much yada yada. To me, our job is to bring these people to a place where they can hear him speak, more than just commercial sound bites, whether that be on TV, the debates, a speech on U-Tube, or an actual event. It is very hard NOT to get caught in the power of a BO speech, the man is inspiring. Take the hope and change out of that message and you lose those people, simple as that.

That's why I reacted so strongly to your words, I see this group of people as being able to overcome the challenges we face in this election ... the racists, the fundies, and those that are going to vote "R" just because. If we can get them to turn out, we can't be stopped. Thank you for being gracious enough to look past my vehemence. Glad to meet you, and I'm very glad we're on the same side.




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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:56 PM
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23. Thanks for your comments. This is an unusual year.
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 09:58 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
Thanks for your comments. This is an unusual year. My comments about partisanship would not be applicable in a typical election. This is the first presidential year since 1976 when Democratic partisanship would be an electoral selling point.

The thing is, the Republican party is an institution and should be confronted as such. The fuck-ups and tragedies are not quirks of individual personalities, but things that have arisen from ideology, and often by design.

It is usually smart for Democrats to muddy the party issue, but not this year. In a contest between individuals McCain would probably win. Not should win, of course, but would win. In a contest of parties, however, McCain couldn't hope to win.

McCain's chief weakness is that he is a Republican and the Republican brand is in the toilet. But since Obama doesn't want to run as a Democrat he concedes the decisive issue of the election (the republican party) off the top.

I see it as an error. Many disagree.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:42 PM
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21. Your odds of losing in Russian Roulette is 50%, 2 play. 1 wins 1 loses = 50%
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:45 PM
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22. Fair enough
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:11 PM
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24. Good Post - One Big Omission - Big Media Dynamic and Bias
Your comments are very knowledgeable, and they echo a lot of conventional wisdom that past Democrats have tried to follow in the past. You note, "The Obama campaign is not “masterful” and folks need to stop reading their press clippings and get some help from people who know what they are doing. Who is that? Bill Clinton never won a majority of the popular vote even in 1996 when he was an incumbent with a pretty good economy, so who should Obama listen to? You complain about a virtual tie with McCain, but this ignores the fact that historically no Democrat has won the popular vote since Jimmy Carter. Why should Obama be different, since as you note, he does not walk on water. This will be a tight election, and no magical strategy is going to overcome this fact.

If your response is the Republicans, then I think that is mistaken. The Republican attack mode works well because it requires a remarkable media infrastructure such as the use of Fox News as an entire network that acts a propaganda arm of the GOP. None of the points you mention convince me that they will suddenly cause Fox News to actually cover the election in fair and balanced manner.

In a nutshell, what I think Obama needs to do is:

1. Continue the focus on the ground game. Face to face interactions will help overcome the GOP's hold on Big Media.

2. Continue and expand the use of alternative media. The more you can take your message directly to voters, without a Big Media filter, the better. Big Media is now focusing on gotchas, rather than issues. Communicate directly with people.

3. Attack and define McCain. I agree with your points on this. Keep the focus on McCain's issues and solutions, and why they such, particularly on the economy.

4. Fight the good fight in Big Media. You will never win, because of Big Media's intrinsic interest in the outcome and control of the FCC. Why do Obama infanticide stories get play, while McCain lieing about the cross in the dirt get no mention? Because corporate sponsors will cause Big Media to back down in conflicts with the GOP. There is a reason why Path to 9/11 was shown on ABC while a CBS docudrama on Ronald Reagan was killed.

In short, your post does a great job of articulating conventional wisdom, which is not bad. However, it does not recognize the different dynamics that Democrats face compared to Republicans due to a corporate media and the evangelical right. You argue that the Democrats should get partisan and rely on their traditional constitutencies. However, these groups have diminished in influence, particularly unions. Thus, getting partisan may actually backfire, because it does not acknowledge the modern dynamics facing Democrats.
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Top Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:12 PM
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25. Great!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:19 PM
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26. Good post.
It's precisely because I want to win that this old leftie is willing, eager to compromise. And why I've stuck my neck out for the unity candidate that will help in the rust belt.

It's about winning. I enjoyed your post and though you may not agree with my choice, you certainly articulated many of my feelings. It's about winning the goddamned election.

Thanks!
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:02 PM
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27. Thank you!
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:29 PM
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28. Good post. Worth reading
Thank you
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:42 PM
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29. I like #8
What is it that Obama says "the urgency of now"?
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