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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:42 PM
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Whoa! Caller on Rachel Maddow says McSame was at Saddleback
at the time he said he was stuck in traffic!

She was pulled over by the cops for being too close to McSame's motorcade; after they were allowed to go on, she saw the motorcade pull into the parking lot, and was outside for more than half an hour. Says she has video tape of it. David Bender told her to post it on YouTube; she said she would. She said at the time, she didn't realize the significance of it, because that was way before anything came out about him possibly having an advantage over Obama.

Be interesting to see if this woman does indeed have this video.

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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:44 PM
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1. I heard that too.
I really hope she does post it - soon. And lets the world know that she has posted it.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:48 PM
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10. Me too.
And you can bet that we will help spread it around!

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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:44 PM
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2. WOW! MSM will actually jump on this
I hope this woman is telling the truth and I hope she does have the video. How did Rachel react?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:46 PM
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5. It wasn't Rachel; David Bender is subbing for Rachel. He's the
one who told her to get the video out there asap. She said she would.

She definitely didn't sound like a whackadoodle. I hope her video makes it clear that he was there when he said he was stuck in traffic.

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thepurpose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:45 PM
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3. Really? Why were they sitting in the parking lot? Listening to the questions?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:46 PM
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8. That's what it sounded like, from what this woman said. n/t
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:45 PM
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4. I hope she has it.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:48 PM
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11. and hope her video has a time stamp on it.
altho I don't think that would be really needed.

lol. this is funny as hell.
if hell is funny, ie.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:49 PM
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14. David asked her if it were timestamped, but she wasn't sure.
I know with the camcorder I used to have, I didn't always remember to change the date. And sometimes I turned it off.

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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:52 PM
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18. all camcorders digitally encode the timestamp in the video
even if it doesn't appear on the screen, it is there
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:53 PM
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21. yay! this is better than any sitcom on tv.
:rofl:

poor old McFart.
NOT!
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:54 PM
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23. w00t! I didn't know that!
:bounce: :bounce:

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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:46 PM
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6. am I understanding this right? that He was parked at Saddleback for all that time?
still in his car but not in the studio?

:rofl:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:47 PM
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9. Yep, that's what this woman said.
Please, please, PLEASE let there be good video!!

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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:00 PM
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30. Actually she said he was at the Oakley parking lot
Which at tops is five minutes away.
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mikiturner Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:46 PM
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7. Oh my
This could be huge if true.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:49 PM
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12. Oh shit! If there IS video showing this....
that would be my Christmas, Birthday, and every other possible present-giving days' gift for the foreseeable future!


Damn, McCain is on the receiving end of the one-two punch! Saddleback-gate and Cross-gate, both growing longer and longer legs!


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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:50 PM
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16. Wouldn't it be sweet!
Hope to gawd this woman knows how to post to YouTube, or knows someone who does!

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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 08:41 PM
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44. Um wouldn'tthat be Noses instead of legs?
:evilgrin:

-Hoot
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:49 PM
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13. But I thought the press saw McCain's motorcade pull up as Obama was speaking?
So they came early, left and came back?

:shrug:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:51 PM
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17. Or, more likely, the fucking press was lying to once again cover
McSame's ass.

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thepurpose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:53 PM
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22. Why SeattleGirl. Whatever are you suggesting? The liberal press covering for saint BBQ?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:55 PM
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24. Moi?
Why, I would NEVER suggest such a thing! :rofl:

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thepurpose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:05 PM
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33. Just joking SeattleGirl.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:07 PM
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36. I know.
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:53 PM
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20. That's what I was wondering.
Rick Sanchez said his press people who were at Saddleback saw McCain arrive half an hour into Obama's interview.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:56 PM
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25. That fits into what the caller was saying.
She said something about a half hour, but I think I spaced out for a sec, because I don't remember exactly what she said, but that would fit.

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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:05 PM
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34. he was in a parking lot 5 minutes away, not at Saddleback. see post 30
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 06:06 PM by Whisp
Oakley i think. so it can all fit in.

:rofl:
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:02 PM
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32. See post 30
Oakley is across the toll road from Saddleback. It is about a mile away, before Saddleback. The tollroad he exited would have a time stamp!
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:50 PM
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15. A distraction from McSame getting answers way in advance - my thoughts
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:52 PM
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19. What's a distraction?
The caller?

:shrug:

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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:59 PM
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29. Okay, I'm trying to figure this out.
I missed the point that McSame was still in the car when I first read it.

But then I thought, it still could be a distraction ( even though it may be harmful to McSame)that is be taken away from what I really believe was that McSame was given the questions way in advanced because he sounded way to canned and rehearsed not to.

But I'm wondering if this is taking away from the bigger answer or evidence qwe need in that McSame had the questions in advance. And this shouldn't be Obama's pursuit but ours, though the media will say it is Obama.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:47 PM
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40. I wondered during the program
If it was the other way around - McCain made up the questions and gave them to Rick Warren.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:56 PM
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26. It gets better
I was driving home and heard this and it hit me.

The toll road requires a transponder or for you to pay at a booth. The route driven would require him to pass two check points.

If the motorcade had a transponder in each vehicle the time would be captured. IF the motorcade did not stop at a toll both and did NOT have a transponder then a picture would be taken of each license plate.

The only way not to have a record would be for each vehicle stop, pay the toll and then proceed. I find that scenario extremely unlikely.

Point being, McCain has a record to back up his statement or he is lying.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:58 PM
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27. The caller mentioned that she has the receipt from the toll booth,
which shows the time. That might help back up her story, along with the video.

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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 07:42 PM
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42. Excellent!
I know the area and I know what you are talking about.

IMO ~~ McSame either needs to shut up or put up and prove where the hell he really, really was.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:58 PM
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28. i certainly hope this is as juicy as it sounds, but how are we sure it's mclame's motorcade?
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 06:00 PM by unblock
could it have been obama's or even someone else's (from the media or audience maybe?)

unfortunately i think we need a couple things to really have the goods here.
first a timestame, then either a license plate or mclame's face.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:00 PM
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31. Obama was already in the church, speaking, so it couldn't have
been his motorcade.

And how many people go to church in a motorcade? Not many, I'm sure.

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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:06 PM
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35. There's always license plate numbers.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:09 PM
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37. One more thing to make it clear regarding traffic.
I know people hear the horror stories regarding Southern California traffic but there was very little traffic near Saddleback. And the toll road he took is NEVER constrained. Does anyone know where he was staying? To make the stuck in traffic excuse viable he would need to have been over 30 miles away. I could leave Newport Beach or Laguna Beach at 4:00 PM on a Saturday and get to Saddleback by 4:30. If he is forced to answer some basic questions I think the lie will be exposed.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:14 PM
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38. I have no idea where he was staying of if he flew in just for the
evening. And I think you're right about the traffic excuse.

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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:33 PM
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39. If he flew in it would be at JWA
John Wayne Airport, a mid sized regional airport right next to the freeway. He would have to get off of his airplane at 5:00 PM, when Obama was starting, to take until 5:30 to get to Saddleback.

Mapquest has it at 19 minutes.

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 07:37 PM
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41. One of the really great things about DU
Someone with local knowledge ALWAYS jumps in on posts like this.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 08:13 PM
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43. Yep. Really helps bring more understanding to stories. n/t
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:01 PM
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45. Where is this youtube video???
That would be amazing!
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:09 PM
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46. The caller had not posted it when she called into Rachel's show.
David Bender (subbing for Rachel) told her she needed to get it posted to YouTube as soon as she could. He also asked her to send the link to Rachel's show, so they could post it.

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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:11 PM
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47. I keep checking youtube looking for it.
sigh not there yet...
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:18 PM
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48. I hope there's useable video of this.
Very interesting though. I hope it all blows up in McSame's face.

:dem:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:25 PM
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50. So do I.
I'm so freakin' sick of the preferential treatment he gets by the M$M. :grr:

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:24 PM
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49. McCane needs to be hit hard with this.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:26 PM
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51. Yes, he does, but I wonder how the bloody media will try to spin
it to once again excuse his outright lying.

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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:34 PM
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52. Disclaimer: I haven't listened to the audio on this youtube.
My hubby's sleeping on the sofa and i don't want to disturb him. So don't stone me for any stupid audio that you hear. TURN THE VOLUME OFF :rofl: and use your eyes only.

Wow, look at all the protesters M$M didn't tell us about @ Saddleback! Every corner is loaded with activists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLyHSrXMRng

Barr, Paul, Free Palestine, Pro-O, Code Pink, Gay Rights, anti-war, riot cops, mounted cops, etc.

I had no idea this was taking place and just thought my DU buds would be interested too.

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:44 PM
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53. The caller was actually on her way to Saddleback to join in with
the protesters. I imagine that's one big reason she had a camcorder with her.

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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:50 PM
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54. The silence of the Ministry of Propagand is astonishing.
I hope she gets that video uploaded!!
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #52
72. Excellent video!
I had no idea either. Thanks for posting.:kick:
K&R
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:54 PM
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55. Interesting. Jeezus, I want this fool exposed for the GOP slimeball he is...
:nuke:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:00 PM
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56. AND the M$M exposed for the lying, covering-his-ass toadys that
THEY are! :grr:

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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 12:45 AM
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57. Bender tried to shut down a caller who pointed out that McCain said
that McCain said "Let's go back to that question about the Supreme Court" when in fact McCain had not been asked yet anything about the Supreme Court.

Bender tried to weasel his way into giving McCain the benefit of the doubt.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 12:49 AM
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58. I missed that.
And I'm kind of surprised, because Bender is a pretty smart guy.

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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 03:29 AM
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65. Bender's actual statement was
that "get back" (McCain's words) "didn't necessarily refer to some previous question" and that McCain should be given the benefit of the doubt.

It should be noted that Bender is pro-DLC. I don't think that qualifies him as "smart" -- no matter how intellectual he is.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 03:32 AM
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66. I didn't know that either.
But, in all the times I've heard him on the radio, he's struck me as being pretty upfront.

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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 12:52 AM
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59. The date and time are a part of the tape and can be checked with a menu selection nt
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 12:54 AM
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60. That's good! n/t
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 01:01 AM
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61. She's got one hot potato in her hands, hope we can see McCain on the cell in the background nt
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 01:13 AM
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62. I'm more given to what NanceGreggs said in her post tonight, about
McSame having gotten the questions way beforehand, and rehearsing his answers. I think, though, that the video will prove he was NOT in the "cone of silence" like he and the pastor said he was.

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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 01:18 AM
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63. I believe it, he was rehearsed, blowing off the cone of silence is par for the course
He cheats, they all cheat, it's their culture apparently! I'm so glad people are seeing through it and able to perceive and believe that his answers were rehearsed.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 01:19 AM
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64. These people need to be taken down for the liars and cheaters
they are.

AND, the members of the M$M who cover for them need to be exposed too.

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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:19 AM
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67. What does that prove? Is there a clock in the background or something?
...
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:27 AM
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68. He said he was stuck in traffic. If he was there for any decent amount of time
it would have been to pick up questions from the debate.
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:41 AM
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69. My point is to ask: How does anyone know WHEN this footage was recorded?
The timing is the whole controversy. Footage showing McCain in a motorcade is pointless unless it somehow contains the time of day.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 12:34 PM
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70. Any news on this yet?
I heard the same woman speak with David Bender.
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 12:38 PM
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71. Yes, McMethuselah needs to be hit hard with this
it goes to the heart of his insincerity and lack of integrity. This man has no honor and tries to fabricate one by hiding under his "former POW" status.
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