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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:17 PM
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The problem with continually telling people "CSPAN!"

That's fine.

For us hardcore political junkies.


But the "low information voters", if they're watching at all, are watching CNN, Fox, or MSNBC.


So it is important when they don't show John Kerry speaking. It is something that matters.


The MSM is the window in which the overwhelming majority of American voters will view this convention through.


So we need to know, and be in a position to counter, the punditry spin.


We need to know how this is being seen through the filter of the MSM. Because... like it or not, the voters we need to reach are going to ONLY see things through that filter.


All of us here in DU will see ALL the speeches, unfiltered. We know how to do that.

But the solution is not to shout out "CSPAN!" to all of us that know that already... the solution is to write emails and make phone calls to the MSM to demand proper coverage.

And we can only demand proper coverage if we know what kind of coverage we're getting.

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gratefultobelib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:18 PM
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1. Right.
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:18 PM
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2. 100% Dead On. EOM
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:18 PM
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3. Exactly right. That's why the M$M babbles nonsense non-stop. nt
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:18 PM
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4. good point. n/t
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:19 PM
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5. Good points.
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erinlough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:19 PM
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6. K&R
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:19 PM
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7. Excellent point -nt
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:19 PM
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8. Thanks for saving me the trouble of writing this. :-)
It's a shame that most people won't see what we see.
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:19 PM
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9. THANK YOU!! nt
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GrizzlyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:20 PM
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10. Sorry, but I'm not a low info voter and I've been watching MSNBC, CNN and C-SPan
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:28 PM
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17. Yes, but we're aware enough to cut through the bull.
A democrat could give a great speech, but it's torn apart and belittled by the corporate puppets we call journalists.
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GrizzlyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:29 PM
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18. I watch it for one simple reason....to counter the spin
I've found that by watching these networks, I'm more able to crush my co-workers with lightning quick responses when I know what they're going to come at me with the next morning. Call it advance scouting.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:51 PM
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24. I think it's smart to keep a close eye on the enemy. :)
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:20 PM
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11. Damn Right
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:20 PM
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12. Good points all. The only problem is that most of the m$m don't show all the speeches.
I heard that MSNBC didn't even carry Kerry's speech (pun not intended).
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:21 PM
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13. Well, OK.
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 09:21 PM by ocelot
But for those who choose to watch the bloviating tools on the MSM so you know what they are up to -- could you at least restrain yourself from posting furious rants about their toolishness on DU? That's useless -- if CNN sucks, tell CNN. We already know.
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:21 PM
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14. I need a youtube link for Kerry's speech... I can't find it on c-span.
I know exactly what you mean, my job is to take the most obvious videos that us junkies will go to DU for and put them on my blog for my friends. I keep hearing how great Kerry was, and as good as I am at finding things, it is late and I have not seen it.
HELP
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:21 PM
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15. Watching CNN, FOX, MSNBC are exactly the reason they're "low information voters"
As Bill Maher said, the electorate is stupid.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:22 PM
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16. Yep, you're right. And you have a stronger constitution than I do.
It is a good thing to know what BS the MSM is spreading so you can educate others against it.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:30 PM
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19. The solution is to expose the media.
By telling people about the contrasts in coverage and the lies and spins the media is telling.

Show people where they can get news that is not corporately paid and filtered.



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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:33 PM
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20. Low information voters are watching ESPN.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:33 PM
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21. That's exactly the problem! n/t
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:38 PM
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22. I wrote emails to the MSM telling them that I am promoting CSPAN to ALL my friends.
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:57 PM
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23. They miss so many good speeches
that say what it's like to be under the dictator Bush.
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:52 PM
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25. CNN showed it tonight....
Not sure about MSNBC.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:52 PM
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26. I am sorry, but I want to be one of those silly people to see something for myself
And not to be told what happened 2nd hand.

I will listen to the pundents (who have been wrong on everything) AFTER the convention coverage on CSPAN is over.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:56 PM
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27. CSPAN Rocks
and you can catch all the spin after the speeches and they are saying the same shit they said 2 hours prior, when they weren't play Brian Schweitzer spot on speech.

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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 12:02 AM
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28. Ive been screaming it from the rooftops since Monday ...
Edited on Thu Aug-28-08 12:03 AM by Trajan
I don't need to be convinced .... My neighbor does ....

The MSM is obscuring the message of this convention ....

The poor dissemination of the 'message' is a pet peeve of mine for months now, and this convention was their 'golden moment' to speak to Joe Sixpack ..... yeah right ...

I will say it again: The Democrats need to pull a page from the Perot playbook, and BUY 0.5 to 1.0 hour blocks of air time, and show infomercials ....

I'm not kidding .... Perot's effort, while failing, had a strong impact on the electorate, and it is practically the ONLY WAY THE DEMOCRATS WILL BE ABLE TO TALK TO VOTERS .... I recall watching them and being somewhat impressed, even as a diehard Democrat ....

Do it .... IF we can hear about getting pills to harden our penises and learn how to buy distressed housing for a penny; Then we can hear how Obama and the Democrats can pull us out of this mess .... and WHY Democrats are the best choice for leading this nation at this moment ....

Don't tell us to watch CSPAN ..... I DON'T NEED TO BE CONVINCED TO VOTE FOR OBAMA ....

My neighbor does ....
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 12:07 AM
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29. Great idea!
I heartily agree and would donate money for such a purpose.
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Darth_Ole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 12:18 AM
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30. Kick
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 01:34 PM
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31. The calls, the letters, the tears, are NOT going to make a difference
Edited on Thu Aug-28-08 01:36 PM by truedelphi
This is nothing more than life in a Banana Republic.

Unless you head up some very wealthy lobbyist group, like Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Military, believe me, CNN, CBS, and NBC and ABC are NOT GOING to change how they do things.

They ARE the Big CORPORATIONS.

Citibank got every SINGLE one of those stations to drop their coverage of the Chiapas revolution in Mexico, which those networks were covering 24/7 back in 1994.

And in its place, Citibank got the Tonya Harding story positioned in prime time.

There was a real reason that back in the 1980's, the successful Phillipino revolutionaries took back their country - starting by going in and grabbing the media. They grabbed all the radio and TV stations by force.

Letters and tears, sweetness and prayers ain't gonna do it!!

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