Both MSNBC & CNN Are Saying That Biden's Speech Was Not Good.........

[global1]

what the hell are they talking about? I thought it was super. And again I spoke with my 84y/o Mother - we talk every night - and she told me that she totally identified with it.

When Biden was saying he could almost hear what people were saying in their houses as he passed them on the train back to Delaware - my Mom said "it was like he was sitting right at the table with them."

She said she can't wait to election day to vote for Obama/Biden. I'm proud of her.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. To hell with them!

What did they say?

:shrug:

[vaberella]

2. No they said it was good, not effective.

It's delivery wasn't effective but the speech was well written. They have a point, but I was moved by Biden and felt he targeted the main points because I paid attention to everything he said.

[AspenRose]

3. No gaffes for them to jump on; they're disappointed

[question everything]

18. The only one was a "Freudian slip"

when he started saying George (Bush) while meaning John (McCain)

[GrizzlyMan]

32. And I thought that played quite well

[WinkyDink]

39. Umm....scripted.

[Muttocracy]

22. bingo! nt

[NRaleighLiberal]

4. THE MSM WANT... Hell, NEED...MCCain TO WIN!

Do not expect to hear anything related to the truth from any of them!

[MarjorieG]

8. Todd said if Biden read Kerry's speech, maybe. Kerry was on fire.

They never give Kerry credit for passion. They believe their own wrong memes.

[Frances]

5. Maybe it's because the talking heads can't identify

with ordinary people

This is the income divide Bill Clinton was referring to

[polichick]

6. They're picking out delivery imperfections and ignoring the HEART...

To hell with them.

[IndyOp]

7. Keith and Rachel pointed out the strong parts -

Broke-up dissed it.

[Lil Missy]

9. It wasn't a bad speech, but I thought both Hillary and Bill were better.

[mvd]

10. Typical of them

It was just a bit more scripted than Biden usually is, and I have high expectations for him.. but the delivery was fine and I see no reason why people won't like Biden more after seeing it.

[Muttocracy]

28. yep. nt

[pot luck]

11. It just shows how out of touch the MSM is with the rest of America.

I suspect that Biden's speech resonated with a lot of people tonight. I personally thought it was the best speech of the convention. Not only did he skewer McClone and Bush, but he also seemed genuinely concerned about the plight of the American people.

[Epiphany4z]

12. the speech was great

Biden was not at his best as far delivery goes...but the speech was really good..it was emotional..it had some good repletion red meat on McCain...Called him on voting with bush, called him flipping on his own legislation, not having the kind of good judgment you think experience would bring.

I have been waiting for someone to bring up judgment...face it experience ain't shit if you don't have good judgment.

[BeyondGeography]

13. Begala is standing up for it

For once, I agree with him. The speech wasn't thematically consistent, flawlessly delivered, blah, blah, blah. But he (and I) loved the kitchen table passages on the economy.

[dailykoff]

14. Watching it on TV/PC was an emotional thrill ride.

What more could you want out of a speech?

[blm]

21. Real people tuning in to the convention will LIKE Biden's speech and his delivery.

It isn't all about us junkies.

[JoFerret]

15. They are wrong

Tune them out

[Stagecoach]

16. They're reaching

They can't keep the party being split up mantra going, so now they're reaching for ways to ensure the race stays close.

[faithfulcitizen]

17. He made me cry at least 4 times. They are absolutely clueless. GO BIDEN!!!

[AllentownJake]

19. I love Joe and liked his speech

However Bill was better and so was Kerry...its better than anything the repukes will deliver next week.

[endthewar]

20. They're saying that the content was better than the delivery

Chuck Todd pointed out a couple of sentences and I think that he was right. His point was more that the content was great and the delivery needed some work because some of the content was so good that if the delivery had been better, it would have REALLY been damning to the Republican Party.

[GreenPartyVoter]

23. Let's see if McCain can do better "My friends... POW... My Friends..... Terra.. My friends... Iran..

Yeah, there's gonna be some great delivery there. Real inspiring stuff. :eyes:

[whirlygigspin]

27. that's great for the vp role,

the MSM miss the point. Biden isn't a 'feel good' inpiring speaker.

And that's his advantage, he pulls in the hard nosed realists who can't afford to dream of high minded ideals.

[Jakes Progress]

24. Why are you watching them?

I don't need to have someone tell me what I just heard. C-Span or BBC are better. PBS is second.

[Gabi Hayes]

25. read this...it sums up what they did to Gore in 2000. it's their JOB

http://www.observer.com/node/43315

I remember David Broder's column following the speech, in which he said it PUT HIM TO SLEEP!

here's an excerpt from the link:

Predictably, Mr. Gore's powerful populist message was dismissed by the usual media panjandrums. Sitting in the press section behind the podium, I watched the editor of a national newsweekly shaking his head as Mr. Gore spoke, and listened to others like him nitpicking the speech after the balloons dropped. Even more predictably, the instant analysis of the speech by conservative and centrist commentators was sneeringly negative.

The Wall Street Journal complained that Mr. Gore was promoting a "warmed-over nanny state". Peggy Noonan, author of some of the most vacuous phrases ever to escape a nominee's lips, thought she "saw the modern Democratic party begin to crumble again in L.A." Morton Kondracke wrote that the "self-destructive" Democratic nominee had "ceded the political center" to George W. Bush, "and with it, probably, the election." William Safire, who used to write for Richard Nixon, found Mr. Gore's address "labored," "banal," "fake" and "feeble." The noted literary critic Robert Novak decried its absence of "political poetry" and went on to denounce the entire Los Angeles proceeding as "a failed convention" which "did not turn around the presidential race."

The polling data available since Mr. Gore gave his speech suggests that no political punter will ever go broke betting against these brilliant prognosticators. Nearly every published survey showed the Democrat overtaking his Republican opponent and pulling ahead. The latest was taken by ABC News and The Washington Post , which reported the results in the paper's Aug. 22 edition. The Democratic ticket is now favored by 50 percent of registered voters against 45 percent planning to vote for the Republicans among the same group; when the sample is narrowed to "likely voters," Mr. Gore leads by eight points.

[Enthusiast]

36. And that just about sums it up.

They have been trashing our candidates since the stone age. Real reporting isn't the objective here. They lie when the truth fits better.

[MiniMe]

26. Well, that's what Gregory thought. Not a good source to listen to for

a "fair and balanced" view

[IsItJustMe]

29. Don't watch that shit. It will rot your brain. It was one of the greatest speeches I ever heard.

[rufus dog]

30. How else could they do the following:

Obama should have picked Hillary

Obama better do a great job on his speech.

[backscatter712]

31. Technicalities be damned, the speech was great and did what was needed.

We needed to go on the offensive and start kicking Bush and McCain in the teeth. This speech did that.

And we need a hell of a lot more of this.

[Stagecoach]

33. That's what gets me

Pat Buchanan (and some others) keeps saying "No one has gone after McCain".....and I keep thinking, what is he not seeing.....I don't know how much more the speakers could do at this convention! It's like nothing is good enough for these jokers!

[wisteria]

34. The media is not our friend. n/t

[Expose_the_RW_Idiots]

35. This it too simple

They are doing their jobs.

Corporate owned media, is going to do all that they can to disparage anything that the democrats do.

Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Wolf Blitzer, and a cast of hundreds.

Their only problems are, the truth, Keith Obermann, and Rachael Maddow.

Has anyone noticed Chris Matthews and Joe Scarborough the last few days. Looks like they are about to pop a blood vessel.

But they are still giving it their best, as are some of the people here.

[fujiyama]

37. It was tough following Bill Clinton

who after acting like he had lost his mind for months, comes back to give one hell of a speech - the best speech yet, by far, of this convention.

And Kerry also exhibited great passion and enthusiasm. It's obvious he would have made a great president.

Biden's speech itself was solid and effective. I think it provided the sort of stark contrast to Cheney we needed - and to even our own VP candidates the last two times (Edwards and *gag* Lieberman. Biden showed toughness, strength, intelligence, and empathy - showing that Obama and him understand what ordinary Americans are dealing with. The delivery was also very good, but it wasn't nearly as crisp as the Clintons (both of them for that matter).

I think Kerry's attacks on McCain were actually more effective though. I liked his senator McCain vs. Candidate McCain. I only saw those three speeches from today and I liked them all...But what I liked most was Clinton's ability to tie McCain to not only Bush, but to the entire FAILED republican ideology and how things look when they put 25 years of extreme ideas into practice.

[truthisfreedom]

38. MSM's handlers ask reporters to bury the truth.

Hence the hell-like imagery.