First, to suggest that Biden should pull debate punches because Palin's a woman

[DemsUnited]

is insulting to all of us women.

Second, if Palin can't stand up to Biden in a debate, then she has no business being a heartbeat away from commander in chief. What, we think world leaders in Iran, N. Korea, Russia are going to go easy on her just because "she's a girl?"

Absolutely stupid talking point from the MSM. So says a middle aged woman who is still absolutely furious that Republicans think they can substitute anyone in a high heels for Hillary Rodham Clinton.

[BrklynLiberal]

1. yep. I agree with everything you said..

[1corona4u]

3. Ditto to your agreement.

[shaniqua6392]

2. Both Obama and Biden have debated a woman for the last 18 months.

They are both very experienced!!

[bushisanidiot]

14. excellent point!

:)

[cliffordu]

37. That's amazing. I wasn't even thinking in that direction - I no longer see Hillary

as a woman, I see her has a political heavyweight, first.

[CherokeeDem]

4. Completely Agree...

I am so sick of having this argument about the boys beating up on the girls. If she can't stand up to Biden...then she is not ready for prime time.

[Left Is Write]

5. Couldn't agree more.

[geek tragedy]

6. He should punch McCain and ignore her in the debate.

The empty pantsuit isn't important enough to treat as a threat.

[TwilightGardener]

Agreed. She is not in any way comparable in stature to Biden, and

he doesn't really have to compete with her at all.

[KittyWampus]

33. totally agree. Come close to ignoring her.

[blondeatlast]

7. EXACTLY. Hillary debated Biden and held her ground. No reason to expect Palin

not to do the same.

k/r

[DemsUnited]

13. Agree, agree, agree. When Obama & Biden debated Hillary, they knew they were

up against someone who was in every way their equal. And, just in case there was any doubt, Hillary brought it to them in spades. Not as a woman, but as someone just as qualified for the position as any one else on that stage.

If Palin can't stand the heat, then best the world finds out before 72 year old McCain has another health problem.

This is NOT a TV show starring Geena Davis.

[CherokeeDem]

8. Completely Agree...

I am so sick of having this argument about how Biden cannot go after her on issues because she's a "girl". If she can't stand up to Biden...then she is not ready for prime time but then of course, she isn't anyway.

[butterfly77]

9. Correct..

[Robyn66]

10. Absolutely right!

I can't wait for the debate with Biden!!!!

[smoogatz]

11. Biden will eviscerate her.

But he'll be a gentleman about it.

[1corona4u]

25. With a smile on his face...as usual.

[sfam]

12. After Hillary's debate performances, the "weak woman needs to be protected" meme has...

vanished into thin air. That the MSM can even tout this crap with a straight face is what the story should be. Hillary didn't ask for protection, nor did she receive it, nor was it needed. That the Repubs can think Palin will get this pass is a bit cracy.

[yy4me]

15. Joe, if you pull any punches, I will be so let down. McSame's

choice is an insult to all of us. How shallow and stupid is this choice. If he was-and heaven help us- to win, her "no" experience" is better than Obama's? I'm madder than heck about this and I hope the collective voting public sees right through it.

Go in there with the intent to make us proud that you saw through this awful ruse.
Give no quarter.
I am a woman and I find this choice insulting to all women. We are smarter than to fall for this baloney.

Is it pandering to the womans vote? Plugging for big oil? Give me a good reason that this woman deserves so much as a second look.

Please Joe, we're counting on your great skills as a debater, Let her have it on behalf of all of us.

[eshfemme]

16. Yeah, it's actually scarier to me to see someone coddled because she's a woman.

Because the fucking dictators that need to be talked straight to won't do that. They'll just think it's erroneously easier to beat up on us.

I get into arguments/debates with people and I have won them on the sheer logic of my points with them, regardless of gender, race or creed. This will be my mantra this election, "DON'T GIVE ME THAT FUCKING SHIT!"

[betharina]

17. chuck todd and andrea mitchell were chattering about this earlier,

he said the bar would be lowered for her or some such nonsense.
joe should tear her to shreds. i expect nothing less. just because she is a woman, Biden has to be gentle?

[Lucy Goosey]

18. Agree completely

I can't wait to see Biden wipe the floor with her, especially on foreign policy. I think he knows how important it will be to expose her weaknesses.

[PatSeg]

19. Biden didn't pull any punches with Condi

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

20. You are right ... BUT

You are absolutely right in stating that Biden shouldn't have to pull his punches and that Palin should be able to stand on her own two feet in a debate. That is the way it should be in an ideal world. It's the way anyone with an enlightened view of the rights of women should consider the issue, that women should neither benefit from special breaks nor suffer from unfair disadvantages. They just want to be treated fairly and have an equal chance.

But in the real world, you have both men and women who don't have this consciousness. I'm talking about those who are not politically astute or tuned-in to the struggle of women in the modern world. Some independents and conservative Democrats might be included in this group. In the courtroom, for example, male attorneys who cross-examine female witnesses, especially mothers, realize they have to treat them with greater care than male witnesses because to do otherwise is to turn them into a sympathetic figure with the jury. They usually refrain from beating them up on the witness stand but go about their task with more subtlety. It's the same thing if an attorney has to cross-examine a child. Unfortunately, gender is a factor in a courtroom. It's still a factor with many in our society. Juries are not always composed of feminists or progressives or those who are conscious of the struggle of women who would see this issue and react to it the way you do. If Biden confronts Palin, blasts her out of the water, and makes her look like a blithering idiot on stage, he'll be seen by some as a cad and not a gentleman. That's just the way it is with some people, although not with you and me.

[Zookeeper]

22. Exactly. When I heard the news about Palin, I thought....

immediately about the tightrope Biden will be walking during the debate. Not that she can't hold her own, but that Joe will be judged negatively if he is tough with her.

[Fla Dem]

21. Exactly what I said in an earlier post

You want to play with the big boys, you've got to take it like a big girl!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6812765&mesg_id=6813313

[northernlights]

23. I trust Joe

and the rest of the team to know *exactly* how to go up against a woman. Joe'll beat the tar out of her on issues and experience. And he'll do it in a way that leaves her smile intact wondering what in the hell just happened, as people quietly usher her out the door!

[Bobbie Jo]

24. Thank you...

I wanted to say that from the get-go.

[apnu]

26. There it is! Nail meet head!

That's exactly the point. Equality!

[barack the house]

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30. Excellent if you're fine with it so am I go get 'em Biden.

[lurky]

31. Agreed. He has to be careful with his tone, though.

If he comes off as patronizing or bullying, it could make him look like a jerk and give her sympathy points.

[Berry Cool]

32. Well, one thing's for sure.

If he does well, he shouldn't come away saying he "kicked a little ass tonight."

[Naturyl]

34. Agreed. (n/t)

[CitizenPatriot]

35. hear hear!

she is NO Hillary R Clinton!

Hillary is the REAL deal. Fu*k her for trying to steal HC's thunder. I am so enraged to have this poser, this unqualified person -- unqualified in terms of her policies re women -- posing as a WOMAN breaking the glass ceiling. What a joke. She's Rove in heels.

[CitizenPatriot]

36. adding if they whine about this

the GOP will then be guilty of playing the Gender Card.

How ironic.

[RagAss]

38. But he does need to make everyone....

feel "unsafe" regarding her responses.

[CitizenPatriot]

39. true enough

she might become hysterical at the slightest problem. (sarcasm)

gag me. I am terrified of a world where this person could be our president.

[27inCali]

40. If she can't stand up to Biden

WHAT THE FUCK IS SHE GONNA DO FACE TO FACE WITH PUTIN?