If Bill's appearance on The View doesn't convince you that he's in the tank for McSame...

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

then I don't know what will! :puke::puke:

Lie #1: Hillary won the popular vote during the primaries! Hillary DID NOT win the popular vote. Bill is STILL lying!!! How many times do people have to say this over and over again?!??!

SHE DID NOT WIN!! PERIOD!!!!

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...ular_vote.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-...l?hpid=topnews

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html


Lie #2: He lied about the WV exit poll on sex and race....He said 15% of people said that race played a role in their decision, but 20% said that sex played a role in their decision. He is a goddamn liar! Hillary won WV by 40%. Over 1/3 of WV racist pigs said that they wouldn't vote for Obama because he was black. Sexism wasn't even an issue! I know what he's doing!! This is a show that is primarily targeted to women. White women. He's trying to divide us again, making us believe that sexism trumps race. He's reliving the primaries and trying to turn Hillary supporters against Obama. He may be 'Slick Willy,' but he's not slick!!

Bill has not made ONE endorsement or positive point about Obama since he has been yapping.

This is the second appearance/interview in which Bill's back-handed comments seem a lot more sympathetic to McSame/Palin than Obama. He covers them up with under-enthusiasm and half-hearted pro-Obama rhetoric.

Please, DUers, open your eyes once and for all. The Clintons only care about the Clintons. They are working to sabotage or undermine Obama.

[Carolina]

1. Totally agree

K&R!

[AtomicKitten]

36. me too

K&R

[roguevalley]

78. God, he's such a bastard. I am sorry I ever defended his sorry

ass all those years, the bastard.

[AtomicKitten]

79. I feel your pain.

I too defended him tooth and nail, but the pretzel-logic rationalization defending his behavior during this election cycle is surreal and punctuates how wrong I was about him before.

No worries. The truth prevails after all.

:pals:

[atreides1]

2. Let's Keep this About Bill

Until I see some good credible evidence that Senator Clinton is in the same boat with her husband on these lies, I will hold that Bill only cares about Bill.

[scheming daemons]

5. Nobody is blaming Hillary for this.... But BILL affects a lot of voters' opinions...

[SuperTrouper]

14. I do not blame Hillary for this. She was harmed mightily in the Primaries by that Bill Asshole

and she should divorce him and go alone in her political life. She is a great lady that has had to put up with a lot of shit from Bill and I will heartily support her in 2016 only is she has thrwn that big-nosed rat to the curb.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

29. I don't understand why he doesn't reason that if Obama loses, it could hurt Hillary's chances

Bill hurt Hillary during the primaries with his behavior. The M$M pounced on that. Doesn't Bill realize that every time he does this to Obama, it not only hurts Obama, it hurts Hillary, too? :(

[Just-plain-Kathy]

96. What caught my ears was Bill saying how he now, travels to "sixty-nine countries SELLING medicine".

I wonder if he realized what he said. He gives the impression that he's the next best thing to Mother Teresa, meanwhile he works for a pharmaceutical company.

If Hillary was the next president, would she have had Bill the pharmaceutical lobbyist head her health-care program?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

25. I shouldn't blame Hillary for this at this point. But come on, if you can't see what's going on here

then I don't know what to say. Sometimes I feel like I'm speaking to zombies. I watched Bill. I saw his smugness. And the only thing keeping me from throwing my tea at the T.V. screen is my ill health. Bill makes me feel worse today. :(

This saddens me deeply. I remember defending the Clintons until I threw up a lung back during the '90s. Their embrace of the likes of Rupert Murdoch and Bill O'LIElly made me question their credibility. Hillary has redeemed herself somewhat and I was proud of her at the DNC. But Bill hasn't done any favors for Obama. It is HE not I who cannot get over the primaries. We're trying to move forward and win an election here. We cannot afford Bill Clinton running off at the mouth in favor of McSame. Now the Repukes have material that they can use in an ad, thanks to Bill Clinton. We don't need it.

[scheming daemons]

3. If anybody comes in here and says WE can't get over the primaries, then need to watch Bill

..on the View today.


He deserved a punch in the face for that.

[cali]

6. it was..... regrettable.

[writes3000]

4. ENOUGH posts about this. The Obama campaign and the DNC will deal with it.

Posting dozens of threads here will only serve to prompt the other side and the media to make a BIG DEAL over it.

"Liberal blogs are in fumes...."

ENOUGH.

[dionysus]

7. hide the thread if these threads make you cry...

[writes3000]

12. They don't make me cry. But ten of them do NOTHING to help us. Prove me wrong.

You can't.

So you want to spend the next 12 hours focused on this? Do it in the nine threads already created.

We're going to win IF people work hard at it and stay in encouraged.

Whining on DU about Bill Clinton's whining ain't going to do shit to get Obama elected.

[dionysus]

15. you say that as if any threads on here accomplish anything...

it'll be a hot topic today and gone tomorrow...
:shrug:

[writes3000]

19. Actually, threads here DO accomplish many things...

1) We encourage others to donate to the campaign.

2) We encourage others to volunteer for the campaign.

3) We share news items and action points that we can use to sway others.

4) We can and have complained to media outlets based on unfair reporting.

5) I believe this board is monitored by MSM to see what "liberals" are thinking. What we talk about can and has been taken from here and raised in larger forums.

So we disagree on what this board can accomplish.

[dionysus]

24. thats not quite what i meant... what i mean is the GDP isn't really used for that.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

27. I started this thread not knowing that there would be 1,000 others.

I'm at home sick today and didn't think anyone would be watching T.V., much less the god-awful "View."

[seabeyond]

97. WHY are there always people getting on threads telling others what to post? n/t

[cliffordu]

8. If Obama wins, Bill is no longer the Big dawg, he's just

another guy, historically speaking.

Obama could eclipse everything Bill did on that level.

[mzmolly]

9. I didn't see the view, but I wonder if he's pointing out that the BS talking

point "people wont vote for a black man" could also be "people wont vote for a woman?" We've seen zero polls on the segment of the population that wont support Palin based upon her gender. Why?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

30. Because Bill knows damn well that claims of sexism gets white women all fired up and angry

Many of them are still trying to come to terms will Hillary's loss. The last thing they want to hear is how the M$M trashed Hillary and how sexism caused her to lose. Women take it out unfairly on Obama. Bill knows exactly what he is doing. And what I don't understand is that he must know that Hillary's career is finished if Obama loses. I was personally healed from the primary wounds and to hear Bill recount them has brought back all kinds of unpleasant thoughts in my mind. Imagine what it does to women who aren't fully healed yet...

[mzmolly]

40. And claims of racism don't?

I did not see the interview, so I can't comment with fairness. But, it may not be bad for Obama if Clinton distances himself regardless?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

49. Sure it does, but Clinton claimed that sexism had a greater, more negative impact than racism

And we saw in WV that that's not true, even though he asserted that it was...

http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=12863165

[mzmolly]

62. I don't know why he wants to compare?

I hope the view hosts kept him on his toes?

:hi:

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

65. My point entirely! He's comparing to stir up negative feelings about the outcome

of the primaries...where Hillary won 40%!!! Still he wants to blame sexism.

[Balderdash]

72. Hillary's career is finished if Obama loses.

WTF!?

[ecstatic]

10. Shameful. I'm glad I missed it. Isn't he going on Larry King or something

this week as well? :puke:

[marlakay]

11. he's on the daily show this week

i wonder what jon will say to him?

[Jennicut]

13. Yawn. Who really cares? Bill Clinton is slowly becoming irrelevant.

He wants everyone to worship at his feet and he did some good things in the 90's. But his ego needs to be checked at the door and there are lots of us who just don''t think he matters anymore. Kerry and Gore both managed to move on and do good for the party and the country. This does not help Hillary either if she wants to run in 2012. At least she is much more respectful. Does everyone now see why he did not pick Hill as his VP running mate? With Bill C. behind every corner?

[scheming daemons]

16. I wish he were irrelevant... but to many LIVs, he's still relevant.

[Jennicut]

22. He is only relevant to Faux news. Again, who really cares?

[scheming daemons]

23. Millions of LIVs who tend to vote Democrat, but not always....

...and they heard their favorite recent president say that "both men are equally qualified. I like them both."

[Jennicut]

28. Clinton also said Obama's policies are better.

Really does anyone have a mind of their own anymore? Well, we know Repukes don't but most Dems do.

[cui bono]

83. What's LIV? n/t

[MagickMuffin]

87. "Low Information Voter"

:shrug: I think that's what it means, but I could be wrong.

[cui bono]

90. Sounds right. Thanks. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

17. The Clintons are playing for 2012 - her activities cover his ass so they have plausible deniability

I'm not surprised at all... this is their game plan to swing "their" voters to McCain.

[RichGirl]

37. I've considered everything...

...here's the problem. If Obama loses, there will be a lot of hurt and anger, especially among blacks. They, all of us, will be looking for someone to blame. If that blame goes to Clinton, how will she win the primary in 2012. Seriously, if anyone thinks she had anything to do with an Obama loss, who would vote for her to be our candidate??? No blacks, I'm sure, as former Hillary supporter who supports Obama I expect her and hubby to support him. If not, she won't be getting my vote in 2012.

[ClarkUSA]

44. That's where Clintonian plausible deniability comes in...

Hillary can point to doing a few campaign events to cover for Bill's "faint Obama praise/gushing McCain praise" interview after interview.

Your assessment is rational - those of us who remember their actions now will not vote for Hillary 2012.

[SuperTrouper]

18. Bill is just jealous because the new Prince for the Democrats is Barack Obama

and he is more likable and much better looking than that bloated red-faced rat. The old lion goes away roaring in anger while the new, young lion has triumphed and dethroned him. Remember Scar in Lion King, well, that is Bill Clinton

[obiden]

20. If obama wins

it'll be no thanks to bill clinton

[Balderdash]

21. When all is said and done there will be nothing left

of the Democratic party. I hope Obama wins but after the election I'll be thinking long and hard about becoming an Independent. I've seen more racism, sexism and "freeperish" behavior from fellow Democrats to last me a life time and it could be a game changer for me. I can't believe what we've become.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

33. I changed my affiliation from Indie to Dem to vote in the primaries.

I'm definitely thinking of going back to unaffiliated no matter who wins.

[Tarc]

26. More lies from the primary-era haters, none from Bill Clinton

Typical.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

34. Did WE bring up the primaries or did Bill?

Don't come in here stirring up trouble as you always do or I'll have to put you where you belong...ON IGNORE!!

[Pathwalker]

51. No he didn't. Barbara Walters did. SHE asked about it.

n/t

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

55. Bill could have been more diplomatic in his response to her.

To lie about the outcome of the primaries does no one any good.

[wvbygod]

31. You are in dire need of a clue

How about you show your proof that 33% of WV are "racist pigs" that would not vote for Obama because
of his race. If your ignorant remarks about WV are representative of your ability to choose
a good president then Obama is in real trouble.

Your read of President Clinton does not have any connection with reality either.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

41. My ignorant remarks? I'm ignorant? It was WVians, who themselves admitted that race

was the major factor that impacted their vote. But *I'm* ignorant? :shrug:

[wvbygod]

50. Until you show the facts to back up your bigotry you will remian ignorant

If you make an outrageous remark that 33% of WV are racist pigs then you need to back it up.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

54. So now I'm a bigot as well?

Wow didn't know this about myself.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

47. I got a clue...and the facts on my side!

http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=12863165

Exit poll: Demographics help Clinton to big West Virginia win

The Associated Press
Wednesday, May 14, 2008
Highlights from preliminary results of exit polls in the West Virginia Democratic primary on Tuesday. The polls were conducted for The Associated Press and television networks:

___

DEMOGRAPHICS TELL THE STORY:

Highly favorable demographics helped Hillary Rodham Clinton rack up one of her largest victory margins of the 2008 Democratic primary season in West Virginia. The exit polls recorded several demographic extremes among groups with a strong history of solidly backing Clinton:

_ Roughly 95 percent of West Virginia Democratic voters were white. Only the Democratic primaries in New Hampshire and Vermont and Democratic caucuses in Iowa had that high a proportion of white voters this year.

_ It was the electorate with the highest proportion — seven in 10 — of people who lack a college degree. The same held true for whites without a college degree.

_ Half of voters were from rural areas, second only to Vermont for rural voters in Democratic primaries this year (though Vermont did go for Obama nevertheless).

_ And the West Virginia electorate was among the bottom five Democratic primaries in terms of income, with around 55 percent reporting 2007 family income of less than $50,000 (€32,300).

RACE, GENDER AS VOTING FACTORS

One in five white Clinton voters said race was an important factor in their vote and about 85 percent of them voted for Clinton against Obama, who would be the first black major-party presidential nominee. Of the 27 states where this question was asked in the exit polls, only in Mississippi did as many whites vote against Obama after citing race as a factor.

Somewhat fewer women — about one in seven — said gender was an important factor in their vote and more than 80 percent of them favored Clinton, who would be the first woman to win a major-party presidential nomination. About as many men as women said gender was an important factor but men were a bit more likely to vote against Clinton because of it — a third of them backed Obama.

THE REV. WRIGHT FACTOR

Half of voters said Obama shares the views of his fiery former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, "a lot" or "somewhat" and six in seven of them voted for Clinton. Obama won support of only 3 percent of those who said he shares Wright's views a lot. Clinton even held a narrow edge among the nearly one in four who said Obama shares Wright's views "not much." Obama won (with nearly 60 percent) only among the 25 percent who say he does not share Wright's views at all.

GAS TAX HOLIDAY

Nearly two-thirds supported Clinton's proposal to suspend the federal gas tax for the summer and three-quarters of those voted for Clinton. Obama ran about even with Clinton among those who say it's a bad idea. Looked at another way, seven in 10 Clinton voters supported the gas tax suspension; Obama opposes the plan and a little more than half of his voters called it a bad idea.

ECONOMIC WORRIES

Nearly two-thirds of voters picked the economy from three choices as the most important issue facing the country. About one in five picked the Iraq war and health care trailed narrowly.

Clinton voters were more likely than Obama backers to say the economy was hurting their families a lot. Slightly more than half of Clinton voters said the current recession or economic slowdown has affected them and their families a great deal and another four in 10 said it hurt them somewhat. About three in 10 Obama voters said the slowdown has affected them a great deal and more than half said it affected them somewhat.

UNFAIR CAMPAIGNING

As in other states, West Virginia Democratic primary voters were more likely to accuse Clinton than Obama of unfair campaigning. Even half of Clinton's own voters said she campaigned unfairly, as did three-quarters of Obama backers. Three in 10 Obama voters said their own candidate campaigned unfairly while nearly six in 10 of them said Clinton hit below the belt.

[wvbygod]

57. There is NO data in your post to back up the WV 33% racist lie

That being the crux of the claim, you have not posted anything related to it.

You may have a clue and some facts but they have NOTHING to do with the claim at hand which
is that WV is 33% "racist pigs". Try reading the post I responded to.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

64. O.K., so it's 2 out of 10, which is 20%. That is still a high percentage of racist pigs!

And they are racist pigs. So instead of attempting to insult me, you should be highly offended by the racism exists in WV. You should also be appalled by the fact that Bill keeps lying about Hillary winning the popular vote. She did not!

[redstate_democrat]

63. Bill Clinton IMHO is a jackass.

[RoadRage]

32. Ironic.. if Obama loses, there are going to be a swell of people joining the PUMA party..

just as the current PUMA's are leaving to pick up there "Hillary 2012" bumper stickers.

Doesn't Bill & Hill realize that if Obama doesn't get elected - there are going to be a lot of people looking for excuses as to why? And a few of these soundbites in a couple of years aren't going to help them win votes. :eyes:

[RichGirl]

73. Won't need PUMAS's

In 2012 we will all vote for the democratic candidate. No way will Hillary win the primaries, and become the democratic candidate, if there is the slightest reason to believe that she hurt Obama in this election. No democrat will ever win anything without the black vote. I'm not black, but I am a former Clinton supporter and I will absolutely NOT vote for her in the primaries if Obama loses and there's reason to place some blame on Hillary.

[Stop Cornyn]

35. Bill is for Bill, and Bill only. Always has been. Always will be. Bill only supports Hillary because

it reflects better on him.

[redqueen]

38. Oh... I get it now.

Some of us were on to the triangulators early on... so this isn't really shocking at all, really.

I'd be more interested in his comments on this bailout mugging.

[bunnies]

42. lmao. We meet again.

My thoughts exactly. In other news... the sun will set at some point today. :eyes:

[redqueen]

77. ...

:rofl:

:hi:

[Zuiderelle]

39. Bullshit. Apparently some people don't understand diplomacy.

[scheming daemons]

45. Jimmy Carter didn't equivocate on the choice this November....

Jimmy Carter doesn't have another agenda.

[budkin]

43. He clearly wants Hillary to get another chance in 2012

Have you seen him out there campaigning for Obama?

[EstimatedProphet]

46. Of course.

Because acknowledging the opponent is clearly the same thing as sucking up to them, and all the Clintons can ever think about is how they must take over the world in 2012 so that thier alien overlords can conquer the world.

[PresidentObama]

48. Yawn. Another anti-Clinton post on a Democratic board. Whats new? n/t

[Midlodemocrat]

52. Seriously. This is getting old by the second.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

53. Did you even watch The View? Did you?

[melody]

56. I don't think anything Clinton said was harmful to Obama

And I was as enraged at him as anyone before the convention. He is still supporting Obama. He has said Obama will win handily.

Anything else is just the powers of division trying to splinter us when we need to band together more than ever. I knew the
trolls would be on here this morning, fanning the flames. I had hoped more people would be ignoring them now.

[WeDidIt]

58. I'm with you 100%

If Obama loses this election, I will put all the blame on the Cl;intons.

No way.

No how.

No Clintons.

[Cosmic Charlie]

59. soon we won't have to pay attention to this selfish old man ever again

Obama will eclipse him on the World Stage.

Bill will only be remembered as the Blowjob Dude.

[Blarch]

60. Fuck Bill Clinton.

We all saw him play the race card against Obama. Fuck him forever.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

70. That's gonna play well in Ohio and PA... yeah, that's the way to go

[AngryOldDem]

61. "The Clintons only care about the Clintons"

No news here. That's been evident since their White House days. They just did a better job of disguising it. It was only after Iowa, when it became too clear that the nomination was not going to be hers on a silver platter, did the facade finally crack.

I think, though, Obama can still win without the backing of Bill Clinton.

[joeglow3]

66. He is the bad cop

I said from Day 1 that if Hillary did not get the nomination, they would sabotage the race to get her elected in 2012. Hillary is out being the good Democrat, not upsetting everyone and rallying support for Obama. All the while, Bill will do everything he can to ensure Obama loses, thereby allowing Hillary to enter the 2012 race with no blame.

[WeDidIt]

67. He's doing it as it were still the nineties, though.

HE could ahve gotten away with this sort of thing in the nineties.

It doesn't fly these days.

Blame will go where blame belongs should Obama lose. Many will never forget.

So this election is about the next eight years, not the next four.

[cynatnite]

68. Get over the Clinton hatred and move on...The race is now about Obama...

:eyes:

Rehash the primaries somewhere else

[FloridaGrl]

71. Well he

needs to get his butt off the tv. He's not helping when he opens his mouth.

[cynatnite]

74. It's a fucking daytime talk show...hardly worth getting upset about...

Nobody in corporate media cares what he said. If it mattered they'd be playing it over and over and over.

[Name removed]

69. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Raine1967]

75. HE had ONE job today...

ONE job... to campaign for Barack, and it looks like he failed.

ONE simple Job and he didn't complete the mission. This is not about the primaries, OR Hillary Clinton... this is about Barack Obama and the Democratic Party winning the presidential election. It was that simple, and Bill Clinton did not deliver.

You fall in love during the Primaries, you fall in line for the election, Bill.

[AzDar]

76. He really lost me when last week he was praising Palin in an interview.

No fucking thanks, Bill.

[Jim Sagle]

80. Every word Bill said was true, and everybody goddamn well knows it.

And aren't the primaries over, anyhow?

[cui bono]

82. Apparently not.

:eyes:

[cui bono]

81. I agree. Total ass.

Plus, it's not like he was that great of a president. I mean really. NAFTA, continuing deregulation... he's had a hand in creating this mess we're in now too.

And just ask octafish or blm about all his connections to big money and power.

[Flying Dream Blues]

84. Very true. Never getting my vote again. nt

[Jakes Progress]

85. Ah, Don't you just love the smell

of Clinton Hate in the morning? I know rove does. It makes his coffee better and helps him digest his wheaties.

These posts help so much. They really do. But just whom do you think they help?

[jgraz]

86. 2012, baby. 2012.

Also, Bill knows that McWorse is more likely to help coverup his legacy of deregulation and free trade.

[barack the house]

88. Whoa that's really shocking I didn't focus too well on what he said but yeah that is not helpful.>

Let's be fair here though Hillary is still very helpful to our cause and we have to seperate their two pwerspectives.

[kwenu]

89. Only the incredibly naive could ever have believed that the Clinton's want Obama to win.

Why are you acting so shocked? Hillary wants to be President. Bill wants to be back in the White House. It's hard for them to accomplish that if Obama wins. What else is new?

[wowimthere]

91. I think you are spot on... when I heard his popular vote lie, I said...

with supporters like Bill why would Obama need enemies? I really don't get him at all. He says one thing one minute to make you believe he is for Obama then says something wildly different the next. He speaks like a snake oil salesman.

[anonymous171]

92. Fuck all of you.

We have a campaign to win and you guys (BOTH SIDES) are still fighting over the BS primary. Buck up and stop whining and start working.

[johnnydrama]

93. not us, bill

We're fighting on an internet board. Bill's still fighting it on national TV.

That's 1000 times worse.

[SIMPLYB1980]

94. Yawn. Rove is smiling.

[Name removed]

95. Deleted message

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[Leftist Agitator]

98. Um, yeah...

Thanks for implying that we West Virginians are racist.

That was thoughtful of you.