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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:36 PM
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The Democratic consensus on bail-out is now in place IMO (Obama clinches Election)
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 02:23 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
Excellent surprise Obama presser. He looked good and said all the right things. Very presidential. I could not be more pleased. The DOW went up during the presser, probably because Obama was staking out a position accepting the bail-out in broad conceptual terms.

For obvious political reasons, Obama could not get specific until some sort of consensus emerged among congressional Dems. (You don't say, in the late stage of a campaign, the bill should be X, Y and Z unless you have a good reason to think it will be X, Y and Z. Otherwise you look weak and/or irrelevant.)

So I think we can say we know the general shape of the bill.

1) Accept the reality and emergency of the crisis
2) Populist stance on compensation (In $$$ it's a joke issue either way, but good politics.)
3) Replace Paulson's individual authority with a bipartisan board
4) Equity Stakes

Additional 'main street' stimulus that will follow a bail-out, not to be included in the emergency bill.

This was all always baked in the cake. This was pretty certain to be the Dem position as early as last Friday.

(The dictatorial authority and absence of oversight in the bill were clearly there to be bargained away. They knew Congress wasn't going to to pass it as is so there were some outrages built in to provide congress some 'victories' in negotiations.)


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As a political matter I would have added, "As we pursue aggressive stimulus that directly addresses mortgages, rather than merely mortgage backed securities, I will be taking a serious look at Senator Clinton's proposal for a revitalization of Franklin Roosevelt's Homeowners' Loan Corporation." (Invoking FDR and a nod to the Clinton economic talisman would be good politics with Reagan Dems.)
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:48 PM
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:13 PM
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7. ; - )
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:51 PM
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18. :- (
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:54 PM
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2. !!!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:57 PM
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3. Good commentary.....
better than those on television!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:58 PM
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4. good take and a good suggestion
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:01 PM
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5. did he say there was a consensus?
if so, that's great news.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:06 PM
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6. No, that's my deduction.
I've been posting all week about how Obama could not get specific until congress formed a behind-the-scenes sense of where they were going to end up.

It would be an error to be on a different page from the Dem concensus... you don't want a bunch of Dems running for re-election running against Obama's position. That would be a mess.

So my theory has been that Obama would get more specific as soon as there was enough consensus that he wouldn't be painting himself into a corner.

Based on today's press conference I think we know the shape of the thing.

But I can always be wrong!
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MSU_Spartans Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:16 PM
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8. I'd like those equity stakes in sound investment
Let the banks suck up the bad debt, and we'll invest in their sound investments instead. we make a profit, and they stay afloat and get a chance to fix things.
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samuraiguppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:16 PM
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9. our guy looked terrific!!
I am still crossing my fingers to still how things work out....
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:22 PM
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10. Economically, who knows? Electorally I think that was a big moment, though.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:24 PM
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11. Mother F I missed it!
:cry:

Thanks for the recap though.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:50 PM
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14. It was short. Should be available soon in the internet.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:24 PM
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15. Thank ya.
:hi:
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:54 PM
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17. Your welcome
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:27 PM
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12. I think you are correct.
He's leading....

expect McCain to follow shortly, then claim it as his own.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:31 PM
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13. McCain has three choices:
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 02:32 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
1) Obama is trying to destroy the economy by messing with the bill, which is prefect just how it is and which I support 100%.

or...

2) The bill is a big-government tax boondoggle. I will vote against it.

or...

3) I generally agree with Obama. Let's get back to talking about Iran.
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:31 PM
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16. Obama's bailout plan is good but
I am still against the bailout altogether. Sorry, but I don't trust the repubs with all that money. What happens when they steal the election, god forbid, and do what they want with the cash. Look what happened when we authorized the Iraq war. I bet at that time we thought there would be oversight and prudence. We shouldn't fall for this again. Just my opinion though.
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