Question: A Buisness Owning Republican Friend Wrote This In Her Myspace Blog.

[malik flavors]

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I just wanted to let you know that if Obama gets elected we will go out of business. We cannot afford higher taxes AND health insurance for 60 employees. If we don't insure them, we will get fined under Obama's plan. So 60 people, including myself will be out of jobs and unable to insure themselves or their children, which by the way, we will be fined for that too..
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She also threw in a bunch of Muslim and sex ed for children smears for good measure, but I won't post the whole entry (unless someone requests to see the entire thing, I guess).

My question is why she would think she has to give health care to all of her employees? I don't recall hearing of Obama mandating health care for all employees.

Obama only mandates health care for children, not adults or employees?

I also don't recall him taxing small buisness.

I believe this person does make over $250,000 a year, so she's correct that she'll have her taxes raised, but I'm not sure that her statement is correct in any other way.

Any help?

Also, this is a legit question not a concern. This person is a friend that over the years has moved to the fringe of the right wing and it's pretty weird. I just want to be able to prove her wrong if I ever need to.

[MadMaddie]

1. Employees will have a choice - if their employer

already has insurance then they will remain the same.

If the employer cannot afford health care for her/his employees the employees will be able to participate in a plan similar to what the Congress members get.

If she is a business owner you should point out that she should be more responsible then posting things on her blog that she hasn't researched. Send her Obama's website link discussing the insurance.

[CatBO]

2. Is her MySpace page linked to her business?

If it is, she's not doing herself any favors. I will not willingly give my business to any Republican or anti-Obama SB owners unless I absolutely have to.

[malik flavors]

4. No, it's her personal page.

[malik flavors]

3. So, she as an employer won't in anyway be forced to insure her employees?

I would like to send her some Obama info., but honestly I don't think she'd read it. She's a bit nutty these days over the election.

It would have to be a face to face conversation.

[RollWithIt]

26. Hey, I've been looking at Obamas website, where do I find that?

This has been a big issue with the other small business people I try to talk to about Obama. Like the #1 thing. That they'll be forced to provide coverage, and they can't afford to (That's actualy true.)

[rucky]

5. I hope she scares herself shitless.

[Cha]

25. Yeah, I hope she's teetering on the brink of

scaring herself in an epiphany:scared::silly::think:

[johnaries]

6. She's repeating McCain's lies from the debate

which have been debunked several times.

[mrcheerful]

7. Actually whats scaring most well to do republicon business people

is Obama's talk of going after their off shore banking accounts and taxing them. Remember pukes have been hidding money off shore for the last 7 years and not paying taxes on that money. I know one such person and shes rabid about Obama wanting to tax her off shore accounts. Never mind the fact that she sent her money off shore so she didn't have to pay taxes on the interest, oh no, its Obama's going to make all white girls sleep with black guys if elected rants.

Any democratic that gets the right wing this stirred up has to be doing something right. Remember they tired every swift boat tactic under the sun and big O just ducks and punches holes through their swift boats. They are starting to realize Obama isn't John Kerry.

[islandmkl]

8. when the 'leaders' of your 'team' turn out to have screwed you along with the rest of the country...

denial, defense and blind attack are all your fractured psyche can handle sometimes...


one cannot always reconcile the demons they are surrounded by, the ones they have chosen to be with...

and the bright light of hope...

they are merely blinded by their own darkness...

[johnaries]

9. From factcheck.org:

McCain's plan does not call for giving a $5,000 tax credit for "every American." It calls for a tax credit of $2,500. The $5,000 figure would apply to couples or families. And Obama’s plan requires large businesses to provide coverage for their employees or pay into a national plan, not "small businesses," as McCain said. Obama's health care proposal, posted on his Web site, says: “Small businesses will be exempt from this requirement.” McCain previously used this charge in his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention, and he repeated the claim in the debate, saying, "If you're a small business person and you don't insure your employees, Sen. Obama will fine you. Will fine you." As we said, that's false. Obama countered that he had proposed a refundable tax credit for small businesses of up to 50 percent of the cost of premiums, which is indeed part of his plan. We've noted before that neither man defines what he means by "small business."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_2.html

[malik flavors]

12. That last sentence is my main question. I'm not sure if she has a "small" buisness or not.

I guess they should define small.

[malik flavors]

10. Alright, I found my answer on his website. She has to insure them, but he makes it more affordable.

Q. I own a small business but don’t offer insurance. How much will I have to
pay for each employee? And how does the Obama plan help my small business?

A. Obama’s plan will help small employers that are unable to offer health coverage to
their employees right now. The main reason small employers do not offer health coverage
to their employees is because it is simply too expensive. The Obama plan allows small
employers to enter the National Health Insurance Exchange to purchase either a new
public plan or a private plan for their employees, who will be eligible for subsidies if they
need them. Very small businesses and start-ups will be exempted from the obligation to
pay into the system or provide meaningful coverage for their employees.
The reinsurance proposal will also reduce the volatility of premiums for small businesses.
For small businesses, having a single employee with catastrophic expenditures can make
insurance unaffordable for all of the workers in the firm. The Obama plan would
reimburse employer health plans for a portion of the catastrophic costs they incur above a
threshold if they guarantee such savings are used to reduce the cost of workers’
premiums. Offsetting some of the catastrophic costs will make health care more
affordable for employers, workers, and their families.

[yardwork]

24. But remember, Obama's plan would have to be passed by Congress.

The president can't decree changes in law. (We know that chimpy has done so but he's doing so illegally.) The president is only the
Executive Branch, which manages the laws that Congress passes.

[HughMoran]

11. Just a childish ploy

I hate people like that.

[thesubstanceofdreams]

13. Actually, she has it backwards

If she currently doesn't provide health insurance for her employees, he absolutely won't be fined under Obama's plan. She will get a tax increase (which is really just rolling back Bush's cuts) if she makes over $250,000, but her business taxes aren't going up.

If she does currently provide health insurance to employees, or might consider doing it in the future, she should know that McPalin PROPOSES TO TAX HER INSURANCE COSTS, which have been exempt for many decades. McPalin proposes to compensate this with a tax break for individuals, but analysts, including republican-leaning pro-business groups, believe in the medium term the majority of employees will be worse off (in other words MORE people uninsured).

Obama wants to encourage (NOT force) small employers to provide health care, which is a GREAT idea as pooling all employees together brings costs down and makes it possible for higher risk individual to get insurance. So Obama will NOT tax employers for health insurance costs.

Obviously, small businesses benefit from his employees having health insurance. So OBAMA'S PLAN IS BETTER FOR SMALL BUSINESSES!!!!!!!!!!

[malik flavors]

15. I'm pretty sure she'll have to either provide healthcare or contribute to public healthcare.

This is on his site:

The Obama plan allows small
employers to enter the National Health Insurance Exchange to purchase either a new
public plan or a private plan for their employees, who will be eligible for subsidies if they
need them. Very small businesses and start-ups will be exempted from the obligation to
pay into the system or provide meaningful coverage for their employees.

I'm not sure what "small" is, but I think her restaraunt is bigger than what they might consider small. So, she would either have to purchase private plans for her employees, or contribute to the pool for public healthcare.

So, she may be correct, though I hhave my doubts it would put her out of buisness.

[thesubstanceofdreams]

16. Well, if she's doing so well

to have so many employees that she wouldn't be categorized as small, and to earn over a quarter million a year, then for sure she can afford to contribute towards the health insurance of her employees (which also benefits her business). She won't go out of business. I'm sure the actual numbers will be fairly balanced to make sure that those businesses who can offer health insurance or contribute to the national plan.

[malik flavors]

18. Yea, that exactly what i'm thinking. She might not like it, but I think she knows she can afford it.

She knows deep down she's just trying to make an argument for why people shouldn't vote Obama. She might have to cut costs here or there, but it will be for the better if her employees are getting insurance. I think she's probabaly just being a bit selfish, a bit unrealistic, and a lot partisan.

[barack the house]

14. It's the misinromation that faux puts out there really why Obama has to reiterate his postion a lot

[firedupdem]

17. Fuck the stupid idiot. If she's a racist fucking idiot anything you

say won't change her. Why waste time on dumb people. Lucky for her when Obama gets in office she'll get some help. Dumb heifer.

[malik flavors]

19. Haha, ok. We were having an intelligent conversation until you got here.

Chillout.

This helping me to be more informed as well.

[firedupdem]

20. I apologize...I realize that is your friend...but if someone is still spouting

muslim stuff I think they are just racist and I'm not tolerant of them at all! I probably shouldn't have posted that...having a bad day...sorry.

[tsuki]

21. What that "business person" does not say is that those of us that

have provided health care for our employees will now be taxed for that plan under the McCain/Palin plan.

We will have to pay matching FICA, MCare and FUTA & SUI. Also, our general liability (profit & wage based) and our workers' compensation insurance plans will go up.

We will be taxed and shadow taxed until we have to cry uncle and give up the plan.

She is another greedy POS who thinks that her responsibilty ends with her well-being.

[POAS]

22. I'm sure she cares enough to pay

her employees enough that they can buy their own insurance, correct?

No need to answer, rhetorical!

[LiberalAndProud]

23. She has 60 employees, doesn't offer a group health policy

and she earns over $250,000 a year.


Sounds like the very definition of Republican to me.

[progressivebydesign]

29. No shit. I'd have a hard time calling the person a "friend". Repubs vote for greed and greed alone.

they can fake their big concern about values, but the truth is it's ALWAYS the $$$$$$$. Always.

Nice to know that this "friend" is making over a 1/4 of a million a year, and yet bitches because she thinks she won't be able to exploit her workers anymore if Obama gets elected. I'm trying to figure out what type of biz someone could have that could be successful, and yet not require any type of deep thinking.

[windbreeze]

27. IT cracks me up, you know....

WHY does anyone think Obama is the only one who will raise taxes, when in fact, either of them will have to do something drastic to cope with the financial, and economic mess that * is leaving this country in? It seems for some, the true reality of the economic situation, just isn't a consideration....IF things continue the way they are right now, she will be lucky to remain in business..and ironically, it won't have had a thing to do with Obama....wb

[progressivebydesign]

28. I'd have trouble having a "friend" that seems so racist. But in answer to your ??

You need to go to Obama's site and read up on his health care proposals. That's the only way you'll really get a feel for what he is proposing. We can only give so much feedback to help, but if you knew the details of the plan then you could respond. I'm curious as to why people don't go directly to the source, it's all there on his page, rather than ask people on a board.

If someone is posting muslim and sex ed smears, no amount of info is going to change her mind. It's actually a psychological disorder that makes people believe those things.. a persecutorial complex.

[RagAss]

30. Flush this turd out of your life.

[scheming daemons]

31. Your friend is hyperventilating, snarky, and wrong. Ignore her claim.....

But save the email.

In 6 months or a year, bring it back out and remind her what she said.

and then ask her:

"I see that your business has grown in the past year. How did that happen with an Obama presidency?"

[krkaufman]

32. How about providing the link to her business or MySpace page ...

... so we can help her go out of business. If it's a worthwhile product/service, some one else less ignorant will take up the slack. So goeth capitalism.

[rucky]

33. This SHIT's gone viral now.

You may want to let your friend know.

[yardwork]

34. Interesting. The same exact concerns are being raised by anonymous people all over the internet.

Who knew that there were so many small business owners who make exactly $250,000 a year but just barely break even and can't afford to give their employees (who are all shiftless and lazy) health insurance? Who knew that so many people cared so little about their employees, and so many small business owners didn't know anything about group health insurance?