I just got home and when i pulled up my neighbor has a "Vote yes on prop 8" sign

[AlCzervik]

and i felt like crying, i already have signs but i felt so defeated.

Prop 8 for those who don't know is "To protect marriage" from Teh Gays.

[Shakespeare]

1. Why in the hell did I not know you live in CA?

I thought you lived in the Houston area, for some reason.

Me = dummy

That sign is depressing, btw. :-(

[AlCzervik]

4. i used to live near Houston when Bush was the Gov, lucky me. Now i live a little south

of Sac.

[Shakespeare]

7. Well, then maybe I was having psychic flashbacks or something.

:rofl:

Lemme know if you're ever in my end of the state, and we'll get together for beer or somethin' :hi:

[TheDonkey]

2. There is some Pepperdine professor trotting around TV pushing for prop 8

I hate pepperdine so bad.

[ronnykmarshall]

30. and Pepperdine has asked that the reference to them be pulled.

So far the fuckers have not done so.

[Hieronymus]

35. I always thought Pepperdine leaned pretty far right.

[cui bono]

3. I actually got into a back and forth exchange with someone while driving on the freeway

the other day. They had a yes on 8 bumper sticker so I honked and honked until I got his attention. :D

I didn't get through to him, but I tried. It was difficult yelling back and forth from different vehicles going 60mph. He acted like there's no discrimination going on, said gays are protected under some other act. Whatever.

[AlCzervik]

6. it sucks having it right ext door, i've lived next to these people for 8 years and now

i can't even look at them.

[cui bono]

9. Yeah, that's gotta be weird.

I live in a very gay neighborhood in L.A. and that was the first Yes on 8 sign I saw and that was while driving to the Valley. A guy a couple houses up from me has a bumper sticker that says: "Marriage is totally gay". :)

On another note, I do resent having to constantly hear the Yes on 8 ads on my local PROGRESSIVE radio station. On the one hand, yes that's very progressive of them to allow it on, free speech and all that. On the other hand it's against progressive's values!

[WindRiverMan]

13. That's what German Shepards are for!!!

Keeps the neighborhood rif raf away!

[AlCzervik]

23. A big ass fence running down where our front lawns connect and maybe a moat

and some trip wire.

[quakerboy]

19. did you know them at all?

or are they just "Id know them if I saw them at the store" type neighbors?

[AlCzervik]

22. 8 years i've known them, cordial and shit and then this, last 2 elections--nothing

and now it's all McCain and Vote yes.

the only bad time was when i caught their son throwing rocks at my neighbor cat and i told them and the cat owner and i keep my eye out on that one.

[quakerboy]

25. That sucks

There was hope in my heart they were merely under-informed and that you could talk with them, but it doesn't sound like it.

[AlCzervik]

26. no way, i'm not even going to look at them anymore, i know that sounds unreasonable

but this is a deal breaker for me and i'm even not gay. I am sick and tired of gay people being used as a wedge issue and if my 17 year marriage fails it sure as hell won't be because of my gay friends.

[ronnykmarshall]

34. FYI .... my cousin .... the one that threw me under the bus ...

is in the process of getting a divorce. But I can't stay legally married in her eyes.

I hear ya sweetie.

If my neighbors had a Yes on 8 sign .... I'd never speak to them. But luckily my neighbors are gay and have a No on 8 sign.

[rebel with a cause]

54. I am wondering do any of you Californians feel that the

'gay marriage' law was put in by Arnold just so it could be a wedge issue this election, or do you think he was sincere in putting it in? I am torn on this but have leaned toward the wedge issue as his reason ever since it got put into action.

[woolldog]

58. I think Arnold is against it.

And the governor isn't the one who put this proposition on the ballot anyway.

[rebel with a cause]

61. Okay, just curious what your take on it was. I don't know much about it.

Don't hear that much about it here in the midwest. Well, truthfully I don't watch news anymore because of my stress level.;)

[MrModerate]

10. Errrm . . . trying to argue politics on the freeway . . .

Especially after having attracted the attention of your debate partner by "honking and honking" . . . seems an unlikely way to "get through to him."

Actually it sounds like a way to "get dead in a traffic accident."

Just sayin'.

[cui bono]

Haha.... it was actually a very civil exchange.

And as I was driving a rental car that I had while my car was getting fixed from the accident I was in a couple weeks ago I figure the odds of my having another were not high. :D

[Billy Burnett]

5. Same shit going on here in Florida.

:puke:

[asdjrocky]

8. In Stockton Ca-

I've counted 8 no on 8 signs and only one yes. My daughter, in her freshman year of college has already gone to 2 no on 8 rallys. I think we're going to win this one.

[AlCzervik]

11. i do see vote no signs in my neighborhood besides mine but those vote yes are springing up

and i know but i cannot prove many of them are coming from the church directives.

[asdjrocky]

15. I still think this is a fight we're going to win.

And I'm not much for making decisions. I just want my niece to have all the rights and privileges I have as an American citizen.

And if I haven't told you lately, you have the best avatar here.

[AlCzervik]

18. Thanks for giving me some hope, i really need it right.

:hug:

[asdjrocky]

27. Us folks in the northern center of Ca gotta stick together!

:hug: Back at ya.

[terrya]

12. You know, that thing could pass.

Goddammit...I'll find a way to donate more to Equality California next week. I promise.

Besides the scores of gay and lesbian marriages this would hurt, there are some damn fine people here who would feel the pain of this...bigotry. It makes me cry, too.

[AlCzervik]

14. i'm so sad and so very fucking angry i cannot even express it.

[ronnykmarshall]

36. Thank you Terry.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

16. People so pathetic that they advocate taking away civil rights can go to hell.

:mad:

[AlCzervik]

20. i just emailed my husband and he says "those hill people next door, those assholes?"

he calls them inbreds and "Something went wrong there with the last 2 kids, all the ok genes were used up".

[Starbucks Anarchist]

21. Their family tree is a stump.

[IndianaJones]

17. put some bird shot in it. nt.

[Ichingcarpenter]

24. Many conservatives aren't going to the voting booth because of McCain

We see no pro 8 TV ads and my town is religious but plenty of no on 8.

I think it might fail

[AlCzervik]

28. the yes on prop 8 people are using to get republicans to the polls and i know it's

going on at their churches.

[Ichingcarpenter]

40. The church vote would be there anyway ... I'm talking about the other Repub

vote...

I'm crossing my fingers and the polls as mentioned are not taking into account
the sample of new voters and cell phone users.

[LooseWilly]

43. Here in Oakland

... we're getting surprisingly many Yes on 8 ads. It's obviously not about getting Republicans to the polls, it's about black neighborhood homophobia...

Hmm, come to think of it, there's also a yes on 8 ad at the top of this page of my DU... (protectmarriage.com... fuckers).

I worry about 8 more than the presidential election at this point...

[xchrom]

31. 'yes on 8' is ahead in the polls right now. nt

[Irishonly]

39. I see the stupid Pepperdine one all the time

Now they have got one saying classrooms will teach gay marriage if it passes. I taught in CA for almost 20 years and I never saw anything that requires a teacher to teach about marriage. It's hateful.

There is a yes on 8 yard sign a couple of blocks from us. My male dog did the darnest thing. He peed all over it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

47. Well none in my neighborhood which is unexpected in fact

no McCain signs or bumberstickers ..... in 2004 it was about 50/50 dem and repbulican.

I've talked to some repugs and they are not going to the voting booth.

[ronnykmarshall]

29. Get more!

I have a freind in Stockton and she's surrounded w/ McCain and Yes on 8 ones.

She just got her Obama and No on 8 ones and proudly has them in her yard.

[AlCzervik]

33. i'm getting another 2, i have 2 and my neighbor across the street needs them, she's

donated already but has no signs. At this point Sharon and i are the last line of defense on our street.

OMG Ronny i'm so angry.

[asdjrocky]

38. Wow, we must be in two different parts of Stockton.

I've seen 1 McTroll sign, no bumper stickers and there are Obama signs and stickers all over the place.

[stuntcat]

32. fycking Hell that's tacky

Politicians are one thing, ok put up signs.. but that sing's just telling everyone what pigs they are.

[blue_onyx]

37. I've never been to California but I'm guessing it will fail

I was a little surprised to see that there were polls showing it could pass. I hope it fails. If California bans gay marriage, there won't be much hope for the rest of the states. California (along with Mass.) needs to lead the way toward equality. Be positive...it will fail, it will fail.

[stillcool]

41. When the people here...

were going off on the opposition to gay marriage, their voices were the only ones you heard. Yet they were easily defeated. These people who are so proud to display their bigotry are only displaying their ignorance. They should be ashamed, and somehow I think they are.

[AlCzervik]

42. i'm ashamed of them, so called good Christians, what total nonsense.

8 years i've lived next to them and now i know i really didn't know what they were about.

[GreenPartyVoter]

44. Oooh! Pertect meh from teh evil gays! I don't wanna catch teh gay! I love mah husband; don't make

me marry another wimmin!

:hug: You have signs too so at the very least you are canceling out the neighbor.

[AlCzervik]

45. yeah but i'm so annoyed and pissed and disheartened. Who the hell are these

strangers i've called "Neighbor" for the past 8 years?

[GreenPartyVoter]

46. Yeah. Neighbors aren't always exactly like us, and sometimes they have some

downright discomforting or scary parts to them we never know about until either election season or the cops break down their door with a battering ram. :o

[FreeState]

48. Please donate to No On 8 TODAY

we are being out spent and the bigots are ahead in the polls....

http://noonprop8.com/home

[AlCzervik]

49. i did and so did my friend Donna and Sharon after i called them both vent.

i also called my Step Mom and and my Nana.

[FreeState]

52. Great:) I did too this week - sending more after pay day n/t

[Born_A_Truman]

50. CTA came out NO on 8 and for Obama!

We got their voter recommendation in the mail this week.

[mythyc]

51. have faith --- everyone I know is voting against it --- everyone

sure I live in the Bay Area, but I have friends all over the state who oppose it passionately. I actually used Proposition 8 commericials in my class (including that silly Gavin one) last and this week as examples of Propaganda and my students were not only vehemently opposed to the prop, but were well-versed on the issues. it won't pass, especially with the ground swell of new voters and faith (the good, humane kind) all over the state and nation

[scorpiogirl]

53. That happened with me too!

Except it was a bumper sticker on my neighbor's car across the street. I put up signs in my window as a response. Then a couple days later, a yard sign appeared. That really pissed me off, so now I've got a bigger sign :evilgrin: There's even signs showing up at public parks! What are the laws on that anyway? That doesn't seem right.

These are my signs: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4201292&mesg_id=4205595

[SpookyCat]

55. That's just bullshit. Sorry you had to come home to that.

I don't see any Yes signs, but I'm in SF, so not too surprising. I have seen the occasional McCain sign in the Seacliff neighborhood, but we're pretty safely blue.

I'm giving a big donation to No on 8 tomorrow...and I'm happy to say PG&E gave I think it was $250,000 to it...a lot of people are disgusted and frankly just confused. My brother is gay, and there was a 50/50 shot of me being able to marry or not...and like Jon Stewart said, "are they going to make me have the man sex? Cause if they aren't, why do I care?"

Weird. People are just weird.

[4lbs]

56. I've been seeing those idiotic "Yes on 8" TV ads recently.

In essence they are trying here in CA what the McCain campaign tried against Obama a month ago.

These "Yes on 8" ads are saying that if same-sex marriage is upheld, that kids will be taught in school how to have homosexual relationships and actually be encouraged to have them. :eyes:

That smacks of that thing the McCain campaign tried last month claiming that Obama wanted to teach sex education to first graders or some such nonsense.

[DesertRat]

57. We have a similar prop. here in Arizona

Prop. 102. They call it the "Yes on Marriage" prop. which pisses me off, because it's a NO for same sex marriage. I see Yes On Marriage signs all over.

[goletian]

60. that should be illegal

[No Elephants]

59. Do not feel defeated. California has beaten prejudice at the polls before. I'm praying they will

do it again.