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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:46 AM
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Howard Dean and his fucking 50 state strategy idea
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 12:53 AM by redstate_democrat
Look where the hell it got us. :rant:





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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:47 AM
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1. Yeah, how about that dumbass, huh?
:rofl:
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:48 AM
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2. Sheesh. Remind everyone never to listen to that guy ever again.
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 12:49 AM by redstate_democrat
What were we thinking?




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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:48 AM
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3. We should not forget the amazing work he is doing.
:applause: :kick: :bounce:
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:49 AM
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4. Fucking brilliant ....
Remind me to give that man a huge 'YAHOOOOOOOIIIIII" next time I see him ...
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:53 AM
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5. Yep. Love Dean!!
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:54 AM
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6. Dean and Obama have changed our party for good.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:55 AM
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7. He'll
always be my first choice. That is one really smart man!
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:56 AM
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8. He is my new crush....
Clive Owen can kiss my ass!
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:56 AM
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9. but but the thread yesterday said Obama was giving up the 50-state strategy
that poster was a stupid ass. sorry. i'm gettin' mad at the stupiditeh.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:27 AM
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21. That's very possible
There is no funding for the 50-state strategy after November. I hope Obama and the new DNC Chair continue it.

I didn't see yesterday's thread. I'll go look for it.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:01 AM
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10. Yeah - Rush and Hannity wuz right when they said picking him as DNC chair would doom the party
he was supposed to keep us confined to the 'leftwing fringe' and make the Democrats look like 'Kooks" and give us a permanent majority.

we heard that mocking everywhere for weeks.
not so funny for them now, I guess.
Dean's the greatest DNC chair ever.

I'd go into Carville's attacks, but i'll give him a pass for tonight, as he's been a pretty good Obama supporter in the general.


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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:04 AM
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11. I wanted Dean for prez. This is good enough, I guess.
What with him basically saving the world and all.

LOVES me some Dean!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:06 AM
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12. Howard Dean will always be my first political hero.
:loveya:
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:25 AM
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33. Mine too.
He has really turned our party around. I love him!
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:27 AM
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37. Mine as well
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:09 AM
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13. Truly the unsung hero of this year's campaign
Gov. Dean would make a fine HHS secretary, would he not?

A Great Democrat.
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:07 AM
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14. Yes he would! Leavitt has deliberately wrecked that department as much as he could.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:30 PM
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41. True - many Dems still don't understand that elections are won in the years BEFORE election day
and Dean is the first party chair in over a decade who has worked to REBUILD PARTY INFRASTRUCTURE in those states that had been left to collapse by previous party chairs. THAT is where the votes were disallowed, purged, and suppressed state by state so neither Gore or Kerry could get the votes counted that they earned.

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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:05 PM
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56. Absolutely - that could be his next great accomplishment
He has done all that he can do as DNC chair. Hopefully he will leave the party chairmanship in good hands. I think that HHS Secretary would be the ideal position for him.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:45 AM
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15. Yea, he's a very bad leader alright, but
I have a huge - HUGE - HUGE hug for him!

What can you do? We can't let those kooks, the fringe net-roots anywhere near Democratic politics. They'll ruin it for all of America!

:evilgrin:
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:05 AM
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16. You're wrong if you think
You're wrong if you think the DLC will give up on trying to discredit Dean & his strategy.

You're also wrong if you think, like George Soros, "Reaganism is dead" just because it has visibly fucked us all up for a generation.

The DLC and the Neocons are dead-enders, fundamentalists, and terrorists who will make it their life's mission to destroy (a) Dean, (b) Obama, and (c) any and all sanity.
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:21 AM
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20. Reaganism was basically the reanimation of the previously discredited....
...Harding/Coolidge/Hoover economics.

It's not dead. It's never dead. But maybe, like last time, it'll be fifty years before it rears its ugly head again.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:38 AM
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22. Guess again.
There are $1.14 Quadrillion dollars in the Derivatives Market bubble.

This bubble has not popped yet.

The total GDP for the entire planet does not meet $1 Quadrillion.

When Obama is President, and the U.S. dollar (and all global currencies) collapse as worthless paper, guess who will be blamed?

Do you think the Corporate Media will blame George Bush?

Do you think the Corporate Media will suggest an FDR-type remedy?

Do you think common dumbass "low-information citizens" will make distinctions?

Do you think Obama will issue any blame whatsoever or point fingers in an "unclassy" way?

Or don't you believe that there are $1.14 Quadrillion in non-existent dollars being traded at this moment by international banks?

Warren Buffett: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2817995.stm

http://jutiagroup.com/2008/07/24/global-derivatives-market-now-valued-at-114-quadrillion/

The Corporate Media will decry Obama, issue "reassessments" of the "underestimated" Bush Era, and attempt nostalgia for Bush's "Golden Age".
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:29 AM
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24. Yeah ...
as the last posts noted, these snakes always seem to rear their ugly head - the message is SIMPLE and wrapped in nationalism, and it took it's COMPLETE and UTTER failure to wake people up this time, I mean, things had to have gone from pretty darn good under Clinton to pretty Fin bad under Bush for the sheeple to get past the fast food message it gets packaged in.

One hope here, though is this - it has alwasy been successfully delivered when it was able to solidify WHITE america into a large enough voting block win. Demographics are exponentially changing in a manner that it is going to be harder and harder for a majority to arise from just the votes of white americans.

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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:15 PM
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46. Well - aren't you a big party pooper.
This is a feel good thread; take your gloom and doom somewhere else. :wtf:
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:06 AM
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17. Let this also be a reminder that just because a candidate yells "YEAAAHHHH!!!!" loudly at a rally...
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 05:08 AM by SurferBoy
doesn't mean they've suddenly lost all knowledge and that their support should dry up, no matter how much the MSM tries to laugh at it.


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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:10 AM
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18. I was so happy the day Dean became DNC chair.
I knew then that after 2004 it was our only hope of turning things around. First we had to change the party, then we could change the country.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:14 AM
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19. We're going to California, and Texas
YEEEEEAAARRRGGGHH
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:20 AM
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23. They (msm, DLC) took him down because they recognized what he was starting...
The Obama campaign is the direct result of Dean's grassroots movement ~ it's a new world baby!

THANK YOU HOWARD! :patriot:
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:27 AM
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36. I totally agree.
The MSM was afraid of him and what he was trying to do.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:34 AM
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25. Howard is great!
I was proud to be able to shake his hand a couple of weeks ago.:thumbsup:
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:57 AM
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26. This electoral cycle is Dean's legacy.
My hero.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:29 AM
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38. I've been thinking about that too. n/t
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:15 AM
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27. Its called Deans revenge, executed with military precision.


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Sorceress Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:58 AM
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28. Yep, I don't care what anyone says, I will always love my Deanie!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:02 AM
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29. kick
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GreenInNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:03 AM
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30. Dean helped bring me back to the Dems
Back in 2005 I was a national co-chair of the Green Party and we were still fighting over the 2004 election and the massive 1% of the vote that Cobb and Nader got combined. I was being called a racist, cracker, redneck and some other choice words by members of my party and we had state parties threatening to leave the party. I had just about had enough.

Then came along Howard Dean and Jerry Meek (our state chair here in NC)and after listening to them, I felt like I could make the move back to the party and I did. I am now very active in my county and state party and went to Denver for the convention. I had the chance to

I left the Dems in 1986 after running for county commish in the small mtn. county in NC where I was going to college. I didn't get much support from the county party and had had enough. Over the next twenty years I remained an unaffliated voter and eventially found the Greens, rising through the ranks to become national co-chair in 2004 and being the only elected Green in NC. I still work with my state and local Greens but as a national party, they don't have a chance.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:24 AM
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31. Dean is the MAN!
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:25 AM
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32. We wouldn't be where we are without him!
Just look at the number of governorships we have won since Dean began this strategy.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:25 AM
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34. ~ROFL~.. and I was getting ready to come in here and jump ugly with you
You got me!!!! :evilgrin:
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:26 AM
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35. We should've listened to Hannity
and never elected him :sarcasm:
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:12 PM
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39. Yeeeaaarrrggghhh! n/t
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:18 PM
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40. oldie but a goodie
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:40 PM
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42. TRUE. Thank Dean! But expect another post-election article crediting Rahm Emmanuel ...
... like after the election in 2006. What a bunch of horseshit.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:57 PM
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43. This time they are already crediting Harold Ickes with the win
because of his private database.

They don't even mention VoteBuilder, the DNC database being used and replenished by the states.



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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:50 PM
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48. Of cooooooooooooooooorse!
The "right people" must always get the credit. :grr:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:58 PM
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44. Yearrrgh!!!
:woohoo: :woohoo:
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:14 PM
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45. the doctor knew what was ailing us. :)
go Howard. love the guy.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:22 PM
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47. I think about Dean and his contribution in this regard
often. :kick: and R.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:58 PM
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49. I love Howard Dean! Always have Always
will:loveya: :toast::patriot::kick::party:
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:00 PM
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50. The goofiest mofo is also the fucking smartest guy in the room...
I cringe at the thought of where we'd be were it not for Dr. Dean.
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chicagoexpat Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:19 PM
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51. yeah... & if Paul Begala & the Clintonistas had their say, they'd a canned Dean 2 years ago
http://loomisnews.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/the-clinton-party-becomes-the-democratic-party/

Note an old quote from Paul Begala (2006) denigrating Dean’s strategy:

"Yes, he’s in trouble, in that campaign managers, candidates, are really angry with him. He has raised $74 million and spent $64 million. He says it’s a long-term strategy. But what he has spent it on, apparently, is just hiring a bunch of staff people to wander around Utah and Mississippi and pick their nose. That’s not how you build a party."

Fast forward to 3 special election house seats in red districts -- DEAN WON'EM ALL!
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:46 PM
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52. I had a moment today
when I was wishing I could send him flowers. ( I think it was when I heard NORTH DAKOTA was in play) I love Howard.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:49 PM
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53. I will always love him. Always.
He was my choice in 2004. My husband and I both were huge supporters. But I was very glad when he was chair of the DNC, I knew he'd do good things.

The man is just made of awesome.
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bermudat Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:59 PM
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54. I have always been first and foremost a 'Deaniac'.
I hope Obama has a place for him in his (hopefully) new administration.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:02 PM
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55. k/r
:kick:
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:45 PM
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57. k&r for the Good Doctor.
We owe him more than words can express.

:dem:

-Laelth
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OHDEM Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:32 AM
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58. Any Democracy for America members here?
I'm a former Dean supporter and still go to meetups for his group!
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:42 PM
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60. To the White House...(nt)
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:45 PM
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61. Yes I really love it. It makes me cry sometimes.
After so many years having the big old DLC write off all the red states, even as we knew there would be lots of people suffering that would support the Democratic platform.

Year after year they just let those red states fester.

So I have been thrilled with the 50 state strategy. Every step of the way.

Many many thanks.
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