REPUBLICANS are preparing to STEAL PA

[TheManagement]

Think about it... No early voting, trumped up ACORN scandal and lawsuit in PA, voting machines without paper trail in most areas:

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/map.php?&ec=allall&year=2008&state=Pennsylvania

Jeremiah Wright ads, Hillary Clinton Robocall, "surprise" coal tape...

Dozens of rallies in the last two weeks to put it within range of being stolen or contested....

All targeted at PA, in a state McCain was down double digits with 3 weeks to go? Does anyone not find this a little more than coincidental? If you live in the bordering parts of Ohio, WV, MD, NJ, or NY, cross over into PA and volunteer today. Go to http://www.barackobama.com and find a volunteer center near the border, GOTV!

[Bicoastal]

1. Did you miss today's Quinnipac that Obama up by 10?

Or yesterday's PPP that had him up by 8?

The state's not close enough to be stolen. Florida and Ohio were close on November 1. PA isn't.

[Pab Sungenis]

5. Besides

if Obama wins VA and NC, then even stealing PA won't give McCain enough electoral votes, even if Ohio and Florida flip, too.

[iceman66]

52. He's not actually going to WIN

all of the stuff the original poster mentioned will be used as 'cover' for the theft.

There will not be a last minute swing to McCain, but they will try and make it look that way!

[Trajan]

2. The polling differences are simply too great ...

I would never put it past these idiots .... But if the votes comes down in favor of a candidate who is consistently down by double digits, there is going to be hell to pay ...

[torbird]

47. Exactly.

Theft is impossible in a 6-10 point race. The amount of outcry and the fierce, immediate investigation would ruin the GOP in PA forever. Obama and his people aren't fucking around (sorry, Donna Brazile, but your "for the good of everyone" crap won't cut it this time!), and the GOP knows it. They have tested him already and he's fed them their heads. I can't see a scenario in which Republican theft in PA goes unchallenged.

[iceman66]

53. Let's hope so.

Hopefully, Obama will win handily WITHOUT PA, because if it comes down to that one state, there will be problems one way or the other.

The Repugs have already laid the foundations for a "challenge" with the BS Acorn lawsuit.

[beachmom]

3. I suggest you read pollster.com and 538.com. And even look

at 2004 historical data. "Stealing" is only worth at most 1%. Not enough for McCain to overtake Obama in PA.

[Dr. Death]

4. I'm surprised nobody's brought this up before...

oh wait, there's been about a BILLION threads on it.

Please go away.

[PretzelWarrior]

6. they are trying to win the west and north to counter Philly region

too bad. their last minute slime machine will put them about 5 to 7 percentage points too short in PA.

[WeDidIt]

7. LIAF

Why do you even try this bullshit?

[racaulk]

14. ROFL!!!

Love that picture!!! :rofl:

[ITsec]

8. Oh noes!!!! I guess I better go hang myself then...

:sarcasm:

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. Low post count? Check. We're gonna lose PA nonsense? Check

Mention of ACORN? Check.

OP is a fuckwit troll.

[SidDithers]

21. LOL!...

:rofl:

Short, and to the point. I like it :)

Sid

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

10. Did you miss the part where we have a Democratic governor and Secy of State in PA? (nt)

[DarthDem]

11. Yawn, Get Lost You Goof

Boring.

[RaleighNCDUer]

12. Of course they are.

But even if they succeed - which I doubt - it will not be sufficient to win the election.

PA is a "must win" for them. We have no "must win" states, and a slew of "can win". There is no way they can win without PA, but there are any number of ways we can win without it. This doesn't mean that we can write it off, by any means, but it does highlight their desperation. I don't think they're going to take it.

[GreenPoet64]

13. Maybe they WERE planning on it . . .

but now will have to justify the disparity. Just a thought. Will this election be the end of electronic voting? I hope so.

[TheManagement]

18. Hopefully

Hopefully the end of electronic voting without a paper trail at least. I'm sure most of you saw the clip of adjusting the chip in the voting machines to skew results by a certain percentage and leaving no evidence afterward. Don't put anything past republicans

[TheManagement]

15. Pay attention people,

This is no trolling. Read all of my posts. I said go out and volunteer to put it out of range not head into a panic. Kerry won PA by about 2 points, let it not get to that point so McCain has nothing to contest. I live in NJ and I drive over to PA and volunteer. I will be there today from 1-7 and all day tomorrow. PA is the nail in the coffin, no PA for McCain = President Obama.

Complacency is a killer.

[krawhitham]

16. Rendell, will steal it back, don't worry

[JPZenger]

17. 10 different types of voting machines in PA

Let's assume for the moment that someone has an inside person handling one type of voting machine. If we have a high enough turnout (insert prayer here), it won't make a difference.

Each county picked their own type of machine, and some were purchased in different years. As a result, there are 10 different types of machines in use. It is unlikely someone could hack all of the brands and models.

Some counties stress that their machines do not have operating programs and do not have internet connections, which reduces the risk of hacking.

[Kahuna]

19. The Dems control the state house. How are they going to steal it?

Our biggest advantage this election is control of state houses. Calm down.

[demodonkey]

29. The Dems control the PA State House by ONE slim vote, and the GOP controls the PA Senate.

We even have a GOP Speaker in our Dem-controlled House.

[Kahuna]

40. Never mind. You missed my point. nt

[JPZenger]

20. Beware of robo calls with wrong polling place info

In most cities, door hangers have been distributed with the correct polling place.

However, there reportedly have been robocalls in PA over the last day (with caller ID masked) lieing to people - telling them that their polling location has been moved.

[TheManagement]

23. wow

That is terrible, I bet there will be a last minute ploy like they did in VA telling Dems to vote on the 5th

[TheManagement]

22. don't forget voter suppression either

They will stop at nothing. Chip away as many votes as they can with a little bit of everything

[Alter Ego]

24. Yawn.

No, he wasn't--but undecideds are being pushed now, and McCain needs to steal support from Obama to win PA.

He's not.

Obama's PA number has been at 50 or higher in most polls and McCain has struggled to get above 46-47.

Come back when you have a more convincing argument.

[Thrill]

25. No matter what. Biden and Hillary need to hit back hard in PA on the coal garbage

[TheManagement]

27. and combat the Hillary Robocalls

Hillary should be there today but I don't think she will be, Bill and Biden are though I think

[TheManagement]

28. I'll record Video or Pictures of me volunteering/canvassing today

for the "troll alert" people. I was planning to do it tomorrow on the last day anyway. For anyone else go to barackobama.com and head into PA or any battleground state and GOTV or phone bank. Polls don't win elections, votes do

[FVZA_Colonel]

43. Are they going anywhere near the state today?

[annabanana]

26. "TheManagement ". . ?!

lololololololololololololololol

[GoesTo11]

30. They'd better worry about jail time if they do.

No more politicized DOJ. No more looking the other way. Voting rights are sacred in this country and it's time to restore the Temple of Democracy.

[Egnever]

31. Obama still wins even if they do

Wont be good enough we got Virginia and NV thats all Obama needs

[demodonkey]

32. I think we will be OK, but beware PA's voting machines and other problems!!

Six different paperless DREs here, in 50 of our largest counties.

DEM officials and party leaders here support and prefer DREs; have fought citizens in court many times using taxpayer dollars to fight paper ballots. Most recently last Tuesday (citizens won, for once.)

Dem officials are banning cameras and video from our polls so we can't document problems tomorrow.

NOW, 2004??

PA 2004 exit polls "red shifted" toward Bush in the end MORE than Ohio's; Kerry was further ahead here and it didn't change the state winner so no one noticed or cared. :grr:

PA had more incidents reported to 1-866-OUR-VOTE than any other state except Florida in 2004.

Do not be complacent about PA.

Help us, after the election, to correct the voting machines here and get voter-marked paper ballots and meaningful audits of all elections.

Please join us ------- http://www.VotePA.us

[TheManagement]

35. THANK YOU

Some of these people don't understand and aren't on the ground here in PA, it is a battlefield. The pressure McCain is putting on in PA is almost palpable. And don't forget there are plenty of Democratic officials that were for Hillary hardcore and may not be all that excited by Obama. The ACORN investigation on CNN had democratic officials doing the complaints..

Complacency is a killer.

[iceman66]

54. Some of us do understand.

There are two distinct causes for 'concern' in PA - the exclusive use of unverifiable electronic voting, and the lack of early voting. Because of the latter, the Repug vote suppression machine will be out in full force.

[Lugnut]

33. Nope. Sorry.

Your concern is duly noted.

[TheManagement]

34. SMERCONISH just said what I said on MSNBC

He says 7 points for Obama will come out to about 2 points in PA.

McCain was/is hammering away at PA to get it as close as possible, even though the polls say something else. He said it doesn't make any sense for them to be in PA unless they knew something we don't

[Alter Ego]

46. They're still trying to get Iowa. 'Nuff said.

Their campaign just sucks and refuses to believe that Iowa and Pennsylvania are no longer swing states.

[Trajan]

36. I dont recall DUers being so rude in the past ...

It is pretty sad when someone who is concerned, isn't just 'corrected', but mocked ...

But hey ... I guess it's just the internet ... right ? ...

Could you imagine being in an Obama campaign rally, and someone turning to you and saying "Oh damn .. I hope they don't try to steal it in Pennsylvania .. They got them voting machines, you know ...."

Now ... what are you going to tell them IRL ? ....

Are you going to say "You know ? .. Our poll numbers are extraordinarily good in PA ... I greatly doubt that they can steal the vote in Penn - Dont worry!"

Or are you going to say "What are YOU ? ... a CONCERN TROLL ???? ... Shut the hell up and get outta here !!!! .. How DARE you say that ! ! ! "

Cmon .. Tell me true, Mr. and Mrs. Anonymous DU Poster ...

Are you just as boorish and rude to your fellow Obama supporters in real life ?

[Nia Zuri]

37. I think you are right. they are throwing a lot out as justification for a

"last minute surge" for McCain. They are definitely planning to steal it.

[TheManagement]

38. Exactly the point I was trying to make

They are going to TRY to steal PA by making it close. I'm not saying they WILL steal PA, I'm saying go out and volunteer to GOTV and make sure Obama's lead is so comfortable that there is nothing they can do about it. We won't be having a nightmare scenario of lawsuits and recounts and provisional ballots etc if it isn't close. McCain won't have a leg to stand on. I hope you all will go out and volunteer today AND tomorrow. I'm going out today at 1PM and all day tomorrow.

[TheManagement]

39. And the "Bradley" effect is not

Completely ridiculous in PA. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people that are "undecided" go to McCain. I'm talking 4 to 1. Obama needs to stay above 50%.. He polled 3 points higher in the primaries in PA than he actually received. And when you figure 55% of Democrats voted for Hillary, the state is ripe for swaying democrats with Palin (and using Hillary Robocalls - that's exactly why they're using them). And quite a bit of the support for Obama is "soft" in PA. I bet those are likely the Hillary Clinton voters.

When I phonebank, sometimes you can tell who is a person is voting for even if they won't say. I get a lot of people that say "I'm leaning towards Obama but..."

I've heard some nasty things too like: "I'm not telling you who I vote for but I sure as hell ain't voting for no damn Obama"

[gauguin57]

41. The GOP made a big stink in Lancaster County over a Democratic website memo warning of dirty tricks.

The Dems took the memo off their Website ... but I don't know why!! There HAVE been rumors of Repug dirty tricks, and local Dem. pollwatchers and voters need to be aware of them!

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/229661

Online memo by Democrat irks GOP
Complaints also cite election training

The state Republican Party on Friday called on state and federal investigators to look into whether a local Democrat illegally posted an online memo about "rumored" voter suppression methods that might be used by the GOP.

The memo, authored by attorney Greg Paulson, chairman of the Lancaster city Democrats, cites "rumors" that unnamed Republicans might use any of 11 tactics Tuesday to intimidate racial minorities, college students and others from voting. The memo was posted on www.lancasterdems.com but has since been taken down.

[harun]

42. 2 reasons that won't happen, Gov. Rendell and Mayor Nutter.

The wing nuts out in the sticks can cry all they want, Philadelphia is deciding this election for OBAMA !!

[ShadowLiberal]

66. It's the western part of PA (Pittsburg area) repubs hope to win the state in, not the east

I swear I read somewhere republicans are hoping they can win the city of Pittsburgh just because of Obama losing it in the primaries, and more racial tension and such existing over there.

Mayor Nutter can't do a thing to stop them on the other side of the state.

The good news about the republican's strategy however is that there's one thing all the top republicans agree on, that they cannot win PA if they don't cut Obama's margin of victory in Philadelphia down to 300,000 votes or less (Kerry won Philadelphia by 400,000 votes, and won the state by around a 200,000 vote margin).

[LostinVA]

44. Good God -- go help an old lady rake her leaves or something

[BeFree]

61. I'll rake your leaves

If you'll take a second to understand why there is a reasonable fear of massive vote theft. Just one second.

[groundloop]

45. Palin didn't help their cause

when she started crowing about the Phillies at here Erie, PA rally. Just one more incident to show how out of touch she is.

[TheManagement]

48. exhausted

Just spent the whole day canvassing. I hope some of you who complained about this thread did more than sit on the sideline all day.

[iceman66]

55. Thank you.

I'm sure if Obama were here, he'd thank you himself!

[TripleKatPad]

49. I look at it this way.

Yes, there could be a theft of the election. But who would believe it? Everyone knows, even the Repug pundits, that Obama will/should win. If it turns out otherwise, thru theft or dirty tricks, NO ONE save the freepers will think it's true. The hue and cry will be such a roar, even the Supremes won't be able to turn a deaf ear.

I go to sleep tonight (as if I *could* sleep) like a baby. For once, this time, I believe.

[BamaTideFan83]

50. Steal PA? Uh . . .

Where would they hide it? Off the coast of California? And how could it be fenced discreetly? I'm thinking the logistics on this are off the chart. I'm thinking it's still going to be there Wednesday morning. Now flatscreens, yeh, I can see that.

[racaulk]

51. .

:boring:

[FUCK_BUSH]

56. I HAVE BEEN SAYING IT FOR PAST 2 MONTHS.THEY WILL TRY TO STEAL PA . WE HAVE TO PUSH BACK

Must push GOTV and put more troops on the ground + more lawyers.

THEY WILL TRY TO STEAL PA. MARK MY WORD PEOPLE.

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[Darian]

57. Yawn.

Obama will win PA by a healthy margin.

[FUCK_BUSH]

58. REPORT ANY PROBLEM HERE EARLY.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/vpcreport

[BumRushDaShow]

59. Past steals were in repuke-controlled states.

It seems out-of-staters and/or those in-staters who don't know Fast Eddie, don't realize why he has such a nickname.

[GetTheRightVote]

60. It is disturbing for sure but the split is great enough to keep a steal from not happening

At least we need to hope it is...

:grr::grr::grr::grr:

[minnesota_liberal]

63. The PA rallies were just to make a McCain win seem plausable

But stealing the election there is still the only way McSame can win PA.

[TheKentuckian]

64. McGollum is in Pennsylvania because

that's all he can do. All the other major swing states have early voting and Obama is banking votes. With Pennsylvania he could pretend he is fighting for something the whole way and the middle of the state is pretty rural and could arguably get him close.

The advantage that Pennsylvania offered McGollum was time. Time for his lame smears and lies to take root before a vote is cast.

[ShadowLiberal]

65. As a PAer I'm seeing lots of people at work going for Obama, and they predict 80% turn out

I'm actually surprised by just how many people seem to be going for Obama where I work at. I think like 2/3's of the office are voting for him, and a lot of the people seem like swingable moderates here.

One guy who I work with the most even said today that he hasn't always voted, and often votes for the guy who attacks the other less when he does, said that he was voting for Obama (he was undecided a few months ago). A big part of why he was voting for Obama is McCain continuing Bush's policies in his eyes.

Another lady and all of her kids who are eligible to vote are all going for Obama to.

Also I saw on the news this evening that they were predicting 80% turnout to vote in our area! I was shocked by that huge number. Better yet, it sounds like the weather tomorrow will be just fine, no rain at all, and warmer then usual.

[AtomicKitten]

67. Double digits trump all the reindeer games they can muster.

Plus Obama's lawyered up. He's got this.

[PatriotGames]

68. If they are going to try, This is where it will happen. n/t

[spanone]

69. drunk again?

nwmhtt

[TheManagement]

70. Info from PA volunteer office

There were 50+ volunteers in and out of the office today for phone banking and canvassing. I left at about 7 and there were at least 20 people still making calls and preparing for tomorrow's massive GOTV. Some of them had been there since 8am...I hope everyone does what they can to show up at any Obama office tomorrow. Even if it's to knock on doors for just 30 minutes or make calls for a few minutes. You can also go to www.barackobama.com and sign up to call people if you aren't comfortable coming to an office or knocking on doors. Even if all you can do is drive a friend or two to the polls with you, get her done.