I Disagree with Obama Choosing Rick Warren, but I'm Sorry that I Can't Get Worked up over a PRayer.

[MadBadger]

Does that make me a homophobe? Because Ive been called that a couple times today. I think Warren is a scumbag and wish somebody else was chosen (how bout nobody at all?). But, i cant get worked up over this because he isnt going to be in the cabinet. He hasnt been chosen to be on some OUtreach committee. He's just been asked to say some stupid prayer.

[Rabrrrrrr]

1. Unfortunately, though, what it does is give legitimacy to Warren, and he deserves NONE

People - and remember, most Americans are really, really fucking dumb - people will look and go "Oh, Warren! He was at the President's inauguration, so he must be right!"


That's the problem with it. Yeah, on one hand, let whoever do the prayer.

But on the other hand, this is a MAJOR BIG TOTAL FUCKING HUGE step into the public life of this country for Warren, and THAT is fucking dangerous.

[AlCzervik]

yes.

:thumbsup:

Port and a cigar await you in the drawing room.

[liberalmuse]

2. You are so lucky.

And I am not going to flame you. It's just that many of us were raised in very oppressive, religious households and as a result, we find the pick of an evangelical bigot very offensive. Believe me, I wish I could be like you, but I can't. This is truly offensive to some of us. Others here will not understand why, and I respect that. Fuck. I envy it.

[ruggerson]

3. because it gives the man moral authority and it leads to more Prop 8's

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

4. I'm not surprised

Being chosen to speak at the inauguration is being chosen to do outreach.

BTW, would you be cool with him given a KKKer the podium during the inauguration? Same fucking difference.

[MadBadger]

5. Ignoring the fact that I dont think Warren was a good choice

Bigotry is not the same thing as terrorism.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

11. Tell that to Matthew Shepherd's parents

[Joe the Revelator]

8. Who gave Roosevelt's invocation? Lincoln's? Washington's?

Yeah, these guys were super important in the grand scheme of things.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

12. *yawn*

[Joe the Revelator]

17. Don't play that game with me. If the invocation is SO important to the tone of the presidency...

then you should be able to easily name these people who set the tone for some of the most influential Presidencys in our History.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

23. All you do is play games and you know it

[Joe the Revelator]

35. If calling you out on bullshit is a game....

...then lets never stop playing.

Had time to looks those folks I asked you about up on google yet?

[Maven]

52. Neither am I.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

53. But we just don't "understand," Harvey

[tblue]

6. Maybe, like me, you are suffering from Outrage Fatigue

because I'm disappointed but having a hard time getting outraged about Rick Warren. Bad move on the Pres-elect's part, for sure. If Obama didn't realize before he'd piss a lot of people off with this choice, I'm sure he's just wishing the whole damned inauguration was over and done with so he can move on. He can't go back on it now ('no drama'). BTW, I am still outraged by the passage of Prop 8 and still have the 'No on 8' sticker on my car. Straight but not narrow. Rick Warren is a clown and a blight on what should have been a perfect day. I will take a potty break when he takes the mike.

[ecstatic]

10. wow, I like that term "outrage fatigue"

I think I have it too (sigh). People have been outraged daily for the past 6 weeks.

[tblue]

15. Credit "The Onion" for that one.

It sure fits me though. Has for a long time.

[MadBadger]

18. I've had outrage fatigue for the entire campaign

Obama wouldnt shake Hillary's hand, Obama called Palin a pig (which she is), Obama gave Hillary the finger, Obama LOVES Ronald Raygun, so much outrage, so little time.

[gblady]

61. I am with you....

on the outrage fatigue as well...

I am much more of a mind to look at what changes I do want...
and figure out how I can work towards that...

and I just feel so glad that all my deep fears...
about another stolen election did not happen.

There truly is hope for change, where as...
if the alternative had happened, there would be none.
Absolutely none.

[QC]

7. Sure. Warren hasn't campaigned to take your basic human rights away.

It's very easy for you to dismiss the whole thing. You got yours. Fuck everybody else.

[MadBadger]

9. You really dont know what you're talking about

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

13. Actually, they do and you don't

What rights would you like to give up?

[MadBadger]

14. Its okay, you dont really know what you're talking about either, but thats partially my fault.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

16. Please enlighten me, then, oh wise one...

*bows*

[MadBadger]

19. Id rather not.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

25. Please, I want to be enlightened

How else can I possibly reach your Buddha like status?

[MadBadger]

27. you just dont get it

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

29. I want to get it -- how can I get it, if you don't enlighten me?

[MadBadger]

31. I dont want you to get it...other peope I do, just not you.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

34. Why do you feel the need to discriminate against me?

Why am I a second class citizen to you?

BTW, why haven't you answered my Matthew Shepherd post? You've answered all my other posts.

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[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

40. He preaches bigotry, which contributes to hate crimes

[MadBadger]

43. I like what you've done, forcing me into a corner where it appears I'm defending Rick Warren

Rick Warren thinks being gay is an abomination, but I havent heard him preach that therefore we should kill somebody isnt gay. I would think he would want to "save" him instead.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

44. Bigotry is terrorism

I hope you never have to encounter it. You probably won't, that's why you can be so blase about it.

[MadBadger]

45. Bigotry is a thought, terrorism is an action.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

47. The thoughts spawn the actions

There is no action without the thought.

[MadBadger]

50. You can think being gay is a sin, without going and killing some.

You can think something in your head without acting on it, its quite possible.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

51. I'm aware of that

The KKK itself is just a bunch of bigots spouting off. It's when individuals put those thoughts into action, that people get lynched.

My KKK comparison was perfectly appropriate.

[rebel with a cause]

60. Prejudice is a thought/belief but bigotry is action.

I believe you used prejudice in your original post but am unsure.

The person who believes that same-sex marriage is wrong due to religious beliefs is prejudice, the person that takes some actions against people that are gay because of their prejudices are bigots. Those voting against proposition 8 are prejudice for sure and might be bigots, but those you physically take action (from name calling to killing) against gay persons are definitely bigots. Terrorism comes in when the violent action is taken against a group. Let us use the terms correctly so as not to belittle some and over rate others. Not every prejudice person is a bigot and not every bigot is a terrorist.

[bettyellen]

59. you are defending the honor given to Warren. and yeah, it disgusts us, so deal with it.

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[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

28. I'm glad straight people are so much smarter than gays

Hopefully, one day, they'll let me know when I'm allowed to be an equal to them.

[John Q. Citizen]

22. Obama already voted to take away my 4th amendment rights. That was before he won.

I bet he's not done yet.

[EFerrari]

21. It's not the prayer, it's the promotion.

How many slots are there for participants in that ceremony?

And Obama needs to promote THIS ONE?

Gestures matter. Visuals matter. Being included in this very small club matters.

[Two Americas]

56. of course

Yet we have been bashed endlessly for expressing reservations about cabinet appointments.

"Gestures matter. Visuals matter. Being included in this very small club matters."

Yes.

Doesn't that all apply to cabinet appointments, as well, to say the least?

[Blarch]

24. Ya, homophobe is the word of the day.

The problem with this board is that it doesn't choose it's battles to fight. Fight the battles that we HAVE to win, and let the other shit go. But no ...this place fights every fucking battle, and when the horses have fallen, they beat them into the ground.

Sure Rick Warren in a vile piece of garbage, he will come and go ...but what will remain is the fact that Obama held to his word and is President to all the people, even the haters, what will remain is the thought that he did reach out to these people, regardless of their hate for gays, and probably Obama himself.

I am letting this one go, Warren isn't worth it and he will be gone soon. But ...If Obama starts to adopt his views and policy then I believe it is a battle that needs to be fought.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

32. You're still here?

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[Danger Mouse]

36. OOps. Double posted so I'll just change this to 'fuck you'.

'Fuck you.'

[Blarch]

39. Thanks, that means alot.

No ...Really

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

42. .

:spray:

You just made LostinVA laugh out loud.

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[Solon]

37. Yeah, seriously, Mr. "Would you fuck a dog", how the fuck did you manage to avoid a TS?

Oh fucking nevermind, doesn't surprise me one bit. :eyes:

[Blarch]

41. That thread made a point that went WAY over your head.

It wasn't really about fucking dogs. Jeeesh.

[Solon]

46. I have a question, is there anything in that bulbous mass you call a head?

Or is it just filled with shit to keep your skull from imploding?

[Danger Mouse]

49. +1

[bluedawg12]

64. Ya and homophobe will be honored on The Day.

>>Rick Warren: But the issue to me is, I’m not opposed to that as much as I’m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I’m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do. …<<

:hurts: :hurts::hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts::hurts: :hurts:

[JI7]

26. that weird creepy looking Joel Osteen would be better than the whore Rick Warren

[Critters2]

30. It's true. Osteen refuses to take stands on controversial issues

like gay rights, abortion, etc. Doesn't want to alienate anyone. I've heard him talk about this. He stands for nothing at all, really. Which is better than standing for hate.

[Danger Mouse]

48. No, it doesn't make you a homophobe.

I'm upset over it and I can understand why others are as well, though.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

54. There must be millions of religious leaders in this country -

Even I can think of non-homophobic religious leaders. Maybe they don't lead megachurches, but they're also not homophobes. Why give the HONOR to a homophobe? That's one question I've yet to hear answered in a way that makes any sense at all.

[Warren DeMontague]

55. I find the whole idea of a Presidential Invocation idiotic.

I don't really have a dog in this hunt. At least the flat-Earthers are being kept away from the important science appointments.

But I agree in principle that the man's homophobic stance, to my mind, ought to disqualify him.

[backscatter712]

57. Yeah, I agree with the OP.

Rick Warren's a douche, and I'm disappointed that he was chosen to provide the invocation at Obama's inauguration (personally, I think he should have picked Rev. Wright just so we could get entertainment from Freeper heads exploiding...)

That said, Obama didn't pick Warren to be in his cabinet. He was picked (probably not by Obama himself, but the Congressional committee responsible for putting the inauguration together, though Obama could demand they pick someone else) to speak some words and wave a dead chicken at a ceremony.

[rhett o rick]

58. We must really be desperate to have threads like this that appear aimed at starting a fight.

Ok, so you aren't outraged. Why belittle those that are? That is a rhetorical question, please don't answer. I refuse to be drawn into arguing with you about when and where to be outraged.

[ProSense]

62. "A prayer?" Who is upset about a prayer

Rick Warren is not a prayer

[bluedawg12]

63. Then why post about it?

Just to say you didn't get worked up.
Thanks, now I can sleep keeping a finger on the pulse of your attitude.