Please K&R this thread if your sick to death of all the whining about anything Obama does.

[Yukari Yakumo]

Yesterday, it was some of his cabinet picks.

Last week, it was some of his other cabinet picks.

Today, it is about Warren. A choice which Obama had nothing to do with.

Tomorrow, it'll be some other cabinet pick. (And more complaining about Warren.)

Next week, expect more of the same.

-

Frankly, I'm sick to death of whiners and complainers crying about every single action Obama takes... and he has yet even to take the Oath of Office! And for chrissakes, we don't need over 9000 threads whining and complaining about the same damn thing!

Please K&R this thread if you feel the same way.

[cliffordu]

1. K&R

[EFerrari]

2. Your OP is wrong. Obama had to approve Warren.

But I'll rec this anyway as an example of the kind of whining I can't stand.

[Divine Discontent]

34. FUCKING BRILLIANT SFEXPAT2000 - every DUer should rec this thread because of your post and state why

they rec'd it! :hug:

and, of course Obama knew who was doing his invocation, it's a rather important thing for a man to know who's doing the invocation at his inauguration. The people say he didn't know are living in cuckoo land - like they didn't ask him if he approved! DUHHHH!

[Divine Discontent]

35. K&R BECAUSE OF POST #2 - the OP's whining irritates me & I don't like that on DU.

see how easy that was to do by turning it back on the OP? what an ignorant OP to make. This is a place of discussion - don't ever make yourself look silly by making a post saying you're sick of people whining about whatever - ignore it if you don't like it, or argue against their opinions with a countering opinion, not some ridiculous post saying you are sick of whining - you are WHINING by doing that!

[niceypoo]

98. OH, stop your whining!!

Bwahahahaha!

[Divine Discontent]

229. I K&R your post! :)

[BlancheSplanchnik]

154. K&R to the OP ...Why?

Because I think it IS important to keep our eyes open. We elected Obama, and unlike the chimp demographic, we pride ourselves (most of us) on our informed thinking.

So, to my mind, it is good to stay awake and aware....
but do I think picking Warren indicates some treachery within Obama?

No, I don't.

I think it indicates awareness that there are a ton of fundies in this nation, and it is a nod of inclusion to them. Doesn't mean he will be taking policy from the guy.

Imagine what would happen if he said what we're all thinking about those fundy idiots? It would turn into such a shitstorm and for what? Total worthless distraction, and end up playing right into their poor persecuted demands for recompense.

It may just be a demonstration of courtesy now, so that he can do what needs to be done later with a bit more ease.

(sorry I meant to hit reply to a different post)

[RaleighNCDUer]

170. Imagine what would happen if he said what we're all thinking about those fundy idiots?

He would not live to be inaugurated.

I'd rather we make a meaningless gesture of inclusiveness for those folks than kick off another civil war.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

178. yep! The inauguration is PAGEANTRY, nothing more.

Snubbing the christofascists would be shooting the important business of leadership right in the nuts. Let them think they've gained presidential access because of, basically, a fancy floral arrangement at their buffet table. Biig fucking deal.

I don't in any way believe that letting this posturing preacher do his shtick for his mentally compromised followers therefore implies that Obama has just signed up for a weekly policy planning phone call with the guy.

[Jackeens]

86. K&R

[niceypoo]

107. The OP is correct, on some levels...

I will give Obama a year, then make judgments. I wont drive my blood pressure up in the meantime by getting all bent out of shape every time a pundit speculates about something, or Obama chooses someone for this or that. I don't even bother watching the screaming match shows anymore, ever since last summer when the 'pundits' were backslapping each other over the fact that they had gotten everything wrong in the primaries.

Of course that is just me, to each their own.

[last_texas_dem]

231. I'll rec, too

Just to dilute the power of all of this "let's get on the don't-you-dare-question-our-president-elect-bandwagon" bullshit. The original post is whiny and flawed.

[Dennis Donovan]

250. If only I could rec YOUR post, sfexpat...

Good show!:thumbsup:

[judasdisney]

268. Bravo, SFexpat

as usual

[No Elephants]

345. Approve Warren? He chose Warren. And yes, threads whining about whining are too

prevalent here, but I don't start thread whining about them.

[LostinVA]

3. Obama chose Rick Warren, as per his own office

[niceypoo]

108. I could give a rats ass about who prays for him

I have more important concerns. Nor do I care what the idiotic pundits think, I dont recall electing them.

[Solon]

4. You know what? I didn't really complain about his cabinet picks...

didn't care enough, but this bullshit about Warren, oh you better believe I'm complaining, and loudly. There is absolutely no reason to give this guy an iota of legitimacy, and yet, look at this bullshit. We went though this with McClurkin, a lot of us, with our doubts about Obama because of what happened then sublimated those feelings and voted for him, supported him, donated money. And this is what happens, AGAIN? No more, and you may try to minimize GLBT and their friend's feelings on this matter, but you mean exactly Jack Shit to me, so just STFU about it.

[liberalhistorian]

18. And you think things would have been a lot better

under McSame and the white supremacist kill-all-the-gays Caribou Barbie???????

[Solon]

152. Piss poor excuse to defend Obama. "He's not as bad as the other guy."

:eyes:

[shellgame26]

286. I don't think 'the other guy'

would have appointed an education secretary in favor of opening a gay-only H.S to protect gay students from bullying.
Obama is president of ALL OF AMERICA not just liberals. Warren invited him to speak at his church while he was campaigning. The guy is just saying a prayer for God's sakes not being appointed a cabinet position.
I thought that Saddleback debate was bullshit too. BUt Jesus H Christ. This is not a big fucking deal!

[Ken Burch]

248. It's too late to use that argument.

Transition period of criticism of Obama can't annul his election. Nothing we're saying is going to harm the guy.

[RaleighNCDUer]

179. So, you're a proud single-issue voter and to hell with any of the

rest of his agenda.

Thanks.

[Ken Burch]

249. Attacking the LGBT community for being upset about this isn't wise, if you're an Obama backer.

Remember, if it hadn't been for the boneheaded decision to give McClurkin his big break in show biz, Obama would've locked up the nom weeks earlier. All the primary a large faction of Obama people(and I converted to the Obama position and denounced these people for this)refused to do the right thing and call on Obama to repudiate McClurkin.

There was also the refusal of his campaign to put out a statement opposed to Prop. 8 in California, even when opposing it wouldn't have cost him a single vote, until almost the end that was significantly responsible for Prop. 8 passing.

Is it too much to ask that the triangulation on LGBT issues to finally STOP, now that it won't ever be necessary for Obama to triangulate on that issue again?

We can't eternally tell LGBT voters to wait. Anymore than we could say that to AA voters in the Sixties. Homophobia is just as wrong as Jim Crow.

[shellgame26]

287. I don't see anyone on here

attacking the LGBT community.

[Ken Burch]

332. You damn well haven't read much this week, then.

n/t.

[shellgame26]

335. that may be

but you still have not pointed to any direct references of any poster actually attacking the LGBT community here. I see people who disagree with each other about Warren being invited to Obama's inauguration but I have yet to find a single person actually attacking gays here.

[EJSTES2005]

296. What part of his...

"Bringing This Country Together" message did you not understand ? You can't unite this country by starting a war over the Don't ask Don't tell fiasco of 2008. Please get a grip. It's time for us to try and come together as a United country and let our President Elect do what he promised to do. Your divisiveness will get US nowhere!

[kevinbgoode]

5. President Barack "Separate but Equal" Obama

yes...let's not criticize this heterosupremacist uniter.

[liberalhistorian]

6. A-fucking-Men!

This is one of the reasons why progressives have never made enough headway in this country, enforced ideological purity from every faction. EVERYONE has to be 100 percent in line on EVERYTHING before they're acceptable, and that just ain't the way things work. Not in the real world. There's a long, hard road ahead undoing the republican damage, and we need to stick together. And he's trying to do his best to bring unity; the country has had enough of extreme partisan bickering and division. We will only make things much worse for Obama, ourselves and the nation by bickering and whining all the time when EVERYTHING isn't 100 percent PERFECT.

[EFerrari]

9. Textbook rationalization. Thanks!

:kick:

[Terran]

125. With all due respect

(and I do have great respect for you sf), your own response is basically textbook too--dismissing someone's opinions as mere boilerplate...not good, really.

The choice of Warren pisses me off too, but I understand there are politics at work even in this extremely minor matter. IMO, Obama saw this as a harmless way (harmless except to one's sense of justice and principle) to at least *appear* to be reaching out to the segment of the population most opposed to his policies. The reality of it is that Warren has zero effect on anything at this point but Obama gets to look magnanimous. Appaearances are important.

I prefer to fall back on what Joe Biden said during the VP debate when asked about same sex marriage: in an Obama administration, everyone will receive their rights guaranteed under the Constitution. Now there's no way that Joe Biden doesn't know as well as I do that the US Const already has the guarantee of our full marriage rights built into it, and he also knows an analogous matter has already been decided favorably by the SCOTUS. SO I intend to hold them responsible for Joe's statement when the time comes, and it will come. The SCOTUS will have to rule on same-sex marriage sometime in the next four years, and I don't see how they can possibly not rule in favor, given the precedents.

Sorry to ramble about that matter, but I guess it's the main basis for opposition to Warren.

[Laurab]

135. Excellent post - I agree with you completely. nt

[Terran]

169. Thanks =] n/t

[EFerrari]

157. Appearances are important, I agree. And Obama giving the appearance

of condoning discrimination is not only unwise but also a failure of leadership. It's unwise because he risks being seen as a hypocrite both by his supporters and by his antagonists. And it's a failure of leadership to accommodate discrimination, especially at an event which will set the tone for the next four years.

Obama has no business being magnanimous with the rights of other people. It's not generosity, really, when what you give away isn't yours in the first place.

[Terran]

168. I think you, like many here, are overstating the impact of Warren's

presence at the inauguration. Many here are choosing to view the inauguration as transcendentally symbolic, an event that will "set the tone for the next four years". I don't believe it has anything like that power. Obama will set the tone as he goes, and I don't believe for a second that he genuinely agrees with Warren and his ilk. I believe Obama will act in our interests in the long run. There is no failure of leadership here because he's not accommodating discrimination, and he is not being magnanimous with other people's rights. This event is no more than what it *is*, and it has zero impact on policy.

I suspect that Obama is extremely capable of taking the long view on this matter, as with many things. I think he has shown that over and over again. I wish more people could believe that of him.

[EFerrari]

182. He most certainly is accommodating discrimination, Terran.

That's not an overstatement. That's literally what he is doing. But I agree that he is taking the long view and agree, that ability is one of his strengths. I called him a "long distance runner" last summer and, that seems to be true about him. I admire that.

But, this event is the enactment of policy, it's not an anomaly contained in some kind of bubble. This is what policy looks like in action. The Warren invitation is of a piece with Obama's program. I do and will continue to take issue with it as long as he stays on this particular course.

I enjoy so much about Obama. His intelligence, his innate grace, his wit, his endurance, his quick grasp of problems, his unself-conscious education that infuses everything he does. Those features are personal to him and it's very easy to look forward to seeing more of them. But, I will continue to oppose his efforts to reach out to what we euphemistically call "social conservatives" because in addition to being morally offensive, it will not work for us.

[CTyankee]

349. That's a good point, about SCOTUS. If your analysis is correct, and I pray that it is, there

will be a firestorm from the fundie community. Just as there was from the white Southerners for whom integration was anathema. I'm old enought to have seen a few of these fights and they were vicious. People were killed in the civil rights era of the 60s because of their participation in peaceful political activities. It was not pretty. It is, in large part, over.

I also remember that it was only 18 years ago I saw a women's clinic being invaded and taken over by anti abortion zealots. This doesn't happen today. Why? Because the Clinton Administration came in and its Justice Department worked with Congress to pass the FACE legislation making it a federal offense to block access to a women's health clinic. Once the zealots found out that their activities would result in having their houses taken away from them to pay their penalties under the federal law, they were stopped cold in their tracks.

We have a different set of problems with respect to achieving gay marriage equality, but we have seen what must be done to guarantee civil rights. We have the right administration to do this. Up to now, we haven't.

[October]

329. Bingo

All you have to do is read DU to verify what you say.

While I don't think we should march in lockstep (like republicans seem to do), I think we have a lot of factions or single-issue types. I held my nose when I voted for Clinton the first time -- and in the end, I liked some of the things he did, and didn't like others. It is immature to think we're going to elect a perfect candidate. This board is more vitriolic by the day.

[Skittles]

7. heaven forbid Saint Obama receive any legitimate criticism

OH NOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[davidpdx]

44. Still in primary mode I see

[Skittles]

143. is that your fucking standard answer?

IT'S PATHETIC

[jahyarain]

161. agreed

just like post #7

[Skittles]

165. LOL

such a FINE retort :rofl:

[davidpdx]

190. So are you

Get over yourself!

[shellgame26]

288. Oy Vey

De PUMAS just von't get over it!

[dionysus]

84. can we get a messiah thrown in for good measure?

banky will make it all better;

[Skittles]

146. get over yourself

this is a political discussion board and Obama did something that PISSED PEOPLE OFF

[Enthusiast]

303. Is that Teddy and integral part of the banky?

:loveya:

[Posteritatis]

101. Having literally 90% of the threads in GDP being bitchfests on the same subject's a bit much (nt)

[Skittles]

144. it's a POLITICAL DISCUSSION BOARD

H E L L O

[niceypoo]

111. "we don't need over 9000 threads whining and complaining about the same damn thing!"

That line, I do agree with

Nothing rational about repeating the same thing over and over, ad nauseum, days on end.

[October]

314. Exactly

There are hardly any "discussions" going on in most of these threads/posts. It's just so full of remarks/retorts.

So many posters resort to name-calling and immature sarcasm. It's a very different place these days with a lot of condescending insults thrown about in ALL CAPS, of course.

The DU board is no longer my first choice. Repetitive threads and lack of respect have ruined this place.

For a time I actually wondered if there were just poseurs here attempting to spoil a good liberal hangout. There are so many screamers and "nt" posts that it makes you wonder.

[iconicgnom]

207. "Saint Obama". That's a Republican troll phrase.

That isn't "criticism", it's gloves off offensiveness to Dems everywhere who want and hope for change after the Bush years.

[scrappydo]

256. Criticism is one thing.....

we have every right to do that. HOWEVER, this incessant whining about everything Obama does is making me crazy. I have not posted in a long time because I am so sick and tired of every Monday Night Quarterback second-guessing everything Obama does without all of the facts in their court or giving Obama the time to play things out. Reading many comments here is like visiting Freeperville. I for one worked my ass off to get Obama elected. I will not agree with every decision he makes because I am not him nor do I have access to the information he does. If you whiners have his education background, if you have his intelligence, if you have his people skills to make this country as great as it one was, if you can crawl inside his mind to see what he is thinking and what he bases his decisions on, if you are the first African-American to be elected President of this country, if you are the one that has the skills to turn this country around after 8 years of Bush-Cheney, then you have a right to complain and second-guess everything. Until then just plain shut up and give the man a chance.

[last_texas_dem]

8. Nah, I'm more sick of the folks who tie themselves in knots to defend

any and every decision made by Obama. Truth be told, there are more of them on this site than there are people who truly "whine" and "complain" about "every single action" he takes. Folks who put defending politicians above defending what they believe in are kinda creepy, IMHO.

[pecwae]

52. It's a strange phenomenon.

'Apologist' really doesn't describe it.

[LoZoccolo]

10. Recommended!

And :kick: !

[thrift_store_angel]

11. Yet another post...

complaining about the gays whining about their damn human rights. Who needs enemies...

[EFerrari]

13. Hi there, thrift_store_angel. I've been trying to find someone to post

in the MD forum to contact Hoyer about his part on this choice (he is on the Inaugural Committee).

Do you think you could do that?

[BigBearJohn]

12. Well, I AM sick to death -- SICK TO DEATH OF YOU WHINING ABOUT THE WHINERS

Why don't you say something useful for a change instead
of telling everybody else to shut up?

[Jim Sagle]

14. This thread ain't nuthin' but shit.

[liberalhistorian]

17. Do you ever have anything constructive to say

instead of just repeating your signature phrase all the time?

[Jim Sagle]

20. Nothing constructive can come out of a thread like this. Which is why I said what I said.

[Skittles]

148. he is correct

this IS shit

[Name removed]

76. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[flvegan]

15. Nope. I'm holding feet to fire.

I'm no fucking party monkey that's going to chime D promotion when it's not deserved.

My kind is here to stay and like the GLBT community has been told, get the fuck over it.

[TreasonousBastard]

16. DU was born in opposition and so it...

continues even though we now have our own Congress and White House. Some people are just born to argue.

We should start a pool on the Next Great Hysteria upsetting those whose silver lining must always have a cloud.

(Should be great business once he actually gets in office and does stuff)

[Nedsdag]

19. Count me in!

:kick:

[enigmatic]

21. It's a pretty easy choice for me

I'm standing w/ my GLBT brothers and sisters on this, not w/ Warren or Obama.

[BlooInBloo]

22. Of course, but at the moment we're experiencing the broken-clock phenomenon...

So that makes reasonable people's rhetorical position a bit dicey.

[stillcool]

23. the cacaphony is deafening...

but this one is so frigging sad. This Warren was a bad, bad choice. I'm sick of the Obama pinata, with some so eager to post anything that can be used as a stick. But this just blew the fuck up, and there is there there. It is unfortunate that it comes on the heels of a long, long line of 'outrages', because this is too real. It is one of those soul piercers. And there are people taking advantage of it, to pound the shit out of Obama. What are you going to do? So be it.

[bluedawg12]

29. It's bitty STFU chorus committee

Your whine goes well with your cheeze.

[WinstonSmith4740]

66. This has nothing to do with this thread, bluedawg...

Just wanted to tell you how much I like your dogs. Aren't pibbies the best dogs ever?

[bluedawg12]

71. When it comes to this!

OT is cool. Yeah, these two in the pic are from the net but my two are just wonderful, not as big as the two fellas in this pic. They are great doggers. :D

[dana_b]

197. omg! they are beautiful!!

mine is only half pit but I love them!

[donheld]

24. His Choice of Mr Warren is something I will complain about

Like it or not. And yes it was HIS choice.

[girl gone mad]

25. If it's a rec. contest, you're losing by a landslide.

It looks like 20 times more DUers think picking Warren was wrong.

Your side lost.

[jonnyblitz]

27. I am surprised. I thought there were way more assholes than this.

[Skittles]

150. assholes are people who think civil rights do not matter

[Hellataz]

26. K&R - Seriously give the man a chance to sit down behind the desk before you crucify him

or do you already miss Bush?

[EFerrari]

33. Um, "the man" got busy on November 5.

And between crucifying Obama and missing Bush is that whole part where we interact with Obama.

[boppers]

28. What's his power level, vegeta?

I can't believe I'm the only one to get this.

Maybe not lots of chan folk in DU.

[Dragonfli]

254. .

[lapfog_1]

30. Oh for fuck's sake, Obama had nothing to do with this?

You can spin all you want, but don't start by being dishonest.

Rick is a friend of Barack's. He even said so in his book (Obama's book).

If Barack didn't WANT Rick Warren at his inauguration, he wouldn't be on the agenda. Period.

[Indiana_Dem]

31. K&R.

[snowbear]

32. What's always so strange to me is how many threads are created on the same topic...

.
.

And you're 100% correct Aya. DU can gets flooded with the "topic de jour" threads.

What's really weird is that I haven't seen the news all day because I've been gone and just got home (It's 11:00 pm in Anchorage) ... and = = ...

...it is so BIZARRE to log on here and see 21+ threads on one page alone that have "Warren" or "Rick Warren" in the title and not have a clue what the hell is going on!

There were so many threads here, I thought it would be easier to peak into D/Kos and see what the deal was.. They only have two threads on the topic. One that explains the story and a second one that clarifies that it wasn't President-Elect who selected Pastor Warren.

Then I come back here and look at the 21 threads and I even see one that says "IMPEACH OBAMA"..



I'm sick of whiners too Aya.

We're on the tail end of eight long years of hell. I'm too excited about getting rid of Bush and bringing in our new president to whine about who is or isn't going to read prayer at his inauguration ~~~~

[lamp_shade]

36. I'm so not affected by the whiners. Most never really supported Obama from the git-go. n/t

[Bluebear]

37. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. And take your label of "whiners" too,

[silverojo]

40. If the shoe fits.... - n/t

[Name removed]

42. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Skittles]

151. it doesn't fit

[PVnRT]

63. Bullshit. Prove it.

[shellgame26]

289. AMEN 32 and 36

These single issue purists must be sad to see Bush go.

"But it's alright now...I learned my lesson well, see you can't pleeeease everyone so ya...got to please yourself"

[happychatter]

38. I sort of sympathize.... I mean, check for duplicates at least before posting

but I like criticism

it's ok

yeah I do question the motives of some folks... jeebus

how many ways can you say ONE thing?

it seems dubiously motivated to me

[kwenu]

39. He's my guy. He may not be perfect but he's a hell of lot better than the other choice.

[shireen]

41. "...sick to death of whiners and complainers crying about every single action ..."

every single action? i am sure there have been scattered complaints about some cabinet choices.

But Rick Warren isn't in that category. Given his view of gays, his participation in the inauguration is an OUTRAGE. My gay brothers and sisters have every right to be furious. And I join them.

[K Gardner]

43. This forum is officially now as bad as reading FR. Its embarassing. K&R.

[Moochy]

68. Hyperbolic Lie of the Day Award goes to....

K. Gardner!!!!11111111111 (seriesly)

[lenegal]

216. I agree. This is not Freeperville. Stop the bitching.

It is only an invocation, not a bff thing. God, I hate whiners.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

253. you are correct, its not freeperville, they actually seem more sensible at this moment

Hopefully reality will return to normal tomorrow, i don't like it with FR seems calmer and more sane then DU(it makes me feel as something is seriously wrong with the world)

[Berry Cool]

45. Gotta K&R

especially because the Warren thing is not just a matter of GBLT and all those who sympathize with them being upset over his selection (and long may that objection wave), it's also become a festival of atheists patting each other on the back for being ever so much smarter than believers, and by gosh, why isn't EVERYONE like them? Why does ANYONE still believe in books of fairytales?

The anti-religious posturing is completely intolerant and insulting.

[Bluebear]

46. 'a festival of atheists patting each other on the back' - WOW.

[bullwinkle428]

62. Amazing...so criticism of Warren = attack on anyone of faith?

[PVnRT]

64. Pandering to lunatic religious fundamentalists GOOD, right?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

110. No the real intolerance is

The religious types claiming that they are being unfairly discriminated against just because not everyone believes in a idiotic book of fables. The intolerance is the religious nuts stripping basic human rights from a group of people just because their book claims them to be "sinful". You can't be serious that you claim that the atheists are the ones that are intolerant. This is the sort of post I would expect from a freeper.

edited for spelling

[unapatriciated]

116. What don't you understand about eight years of fundies???

telling us it's their way or the highway. The intolerant and insulting posturing has been coming from the Rick Warrens, Pat Dobbins and we finally thought we would actually see some sanity regarding separation of church and state.





this is a kick for post two not the op.

[RaleighNCDUer]

258. Whoa...whoa...just a second. I'm an atheist.

So whose side am I supposed to be on?

It's all kind of muddled, here.

[girl gone mad]

272. I bet you wish you lived in the days when you could call us witches..

and burn us at the stake, don't you?

Our free speech hurts you so. :eyes:

Your faith must be pretty weak if a few posters on a message board can get you that frothed up.

[wndycty]

47. K&R

:kick:

[Vinca]

48. Yesterday I was wondering if I should go in search of

an Obama-friendly site.

[DevonRex]

103. Yesterday I deleted

DU from my favorites list. Then this morning I decided to see if everything had calmed down yet.
I see it hasn't.

To me, calling somebody a homophobe ranks right up there with bitch and the N-word. And homophobe is being flung around all over the place here. It's a HUGE insult to progressives.

[SidDithers]

243. Rick Warren is a homophobe...

Whether the word offends your delicate sensibilities or not, it's an accurate representation of what he is.

Sid

[RaleighNCDUer]

259. And that, of course, makes Obama a homophobe, which makes anyone

who voted for Obama a homophobe...

Uh, whazzat again?

[shellgame26]

291. Thank you

Obama will forever be known as the 'Guilt by association' president and he must agree with every single thing that every DUer thinks in order for him to be worthy of them having voted for him.

[JVS]

309. Tell me when you find it.

I'm fine with constructive criticism, but some here have reached their 1 year anniversary of shitting all over Obama constantly. It is those people who really should go away, but I'd love a place to get away from their Obama hating until that happens.

[Willo]

326. Please pm me if you find one.

I'll also start searching more seriously.

[polichick]

49. I'm sick to death of brainless twits rubber stamping ANYTHING the man does...

He could invite Hitler to the inauguration and these people would be cheering YES, WE CAN!

[rebel with a cause]

194. And I am sick to death of all of the brainless people who are

sick to death of every thing the man does. But then again I am just sick to death, and that makes me understand how trivial you all are at your whining when anything does not go your way.

Try going into where people are being treated for cancer, heart disease or other fatal diseases and then get back to me on how important all your little 'sick to death' feelings are. I have four doctors at the moment and get to interact with a lot of people who are sick to death of the treatments they take to stay alive that make them sick to death. I get to interact with people that are financially strapped because of their illnesses and afraid of what their deaths will do to their loved ones because they cannot afford the expense of their deaths. I get to interact with a lot of people who are fighting to stay alive while preparing for the death they know is just around the corner.

The reason I don't come to DU very often any more is because I am sick to death of the constant whining on every thing that may not go the way some of you posters want it to, and these complaints not being confined to one or two threads but put on two hundred of them. And tell me this, how is the one issue liberal voter any different from the one issue conservative voter. Both of them tire me out, and physically and mentally I am not able to deal with it anymore because it actually does make me 'sick to death'.

[polichick]

205. Nobody at DU is "sick to death of everything the man does."

[Dragonfli]

261. Think about this for a moment sport -

"Try going into where people are being treated for cancer, heart disease or other fatal diseases"

And that person is the one you love with your entire being, and yet you are denied the right to be married. GUESS WHAT, you can't!!! You can't be by their side when they are dying.

You have zero say on the wishes of your loved one and they will not even give you any information, if you are reeeeeeeaaaal lucky your lovers mother is understanding and can help some, get info for you - but you have zero rights!!!

Does this clear things up for you a bit?

I hate hypocrites, when my wife was dying a couple year ago, I had rights, but I had to help her friends on many occasions by telling them what the doctors could not. I could not imagine what a nightmare that nightmare would have been had I not been legally sexually "appropriate" to be by her side to the end.

I can't even imagine it, and yet I have to try for my brothers and sisters that have to LIVE THIS "separate but equal life"

Get a clue
Get some understanding
Get something

But first and foremost get out of their way, this is a very serious issue and a hateful son of a bitch that is helping this atrocity to continue is being honored by a politician many of them voted for.
What is so hard to understand?

[terrya]

50. Oh, those sneaky Inauguration people!

Imagine, sneaking the choice of Warren without Obama knowing ANYTHING about it! :eyes:

I have one word about "A choice which Obama had nothing to do with."

BULLSHIT. Of course Obama has something to do with this. It's HIS Inauguration, for Christ's sakes.

[pecwae]

51. Predictable and unsurprising OP.

[Autonomy]

53. K&R

nuff said

[Voltaire]

54. I'm not whining

I loathe Rick Warren, so I don't like that pick. I don't care for reaching out to mouthbreathers. But you know what? I ain't the president and I ain't running shit. Same with his cabinet picks, some of them I would not have even considered.

But I ain't whining. The president-elect has a plan, could he please be allowed to implement the fucking thing?

Bloody hell, if I wanted perfection, progressive perfection, I would have run for president my GODDAMNED self.

[elocs]

55. Here is Rec #70, but you will never get close to the 499 Recs the rip Obama about Warren has.

DU needs to obsess and whine, oops, I meant "offer constructive criticism" about something. Warren is simply the obsession du jour even though it will last several days. Maybe this weekend they will move on to the next thing Obama needs to be ripped about. You would think his administration is over before it has begun with so many her disillusioned with every other choice or decision he makes.

[alwysdrunk]

156. Not if it stays kicked!

:kick: Kick!

[Number23]

184. Up to 600 recs now

(deep rib-cracking sigh)

And the Freepers have posted thread after thread saying what a "liberal" Warren is and are having an absolute FIELD DAY with all of the hoopla over Obama choosing him to be at the inaug.

This whole thing is getting on my last damn nerve.

[Ignis]

200. That's because most of us don't hate GLBT folks.

Sadly, it's only "most." :shrug:

[Jackeens]

257. K&R

[Mongooseflies]

56. i know rick warren is a douche

and i know people take issue with some of the 'aisle crossing' but let the man start his job before the bitching commences already....:eyes:

[Historic NY]

57. I prefer to wait & see what he & his team does after 1/20/09 when it means something..

everyone has a means to their madness so let him do what he thinks he has to do.

[Skittles]

153. here is a newsflash for you

CIVIL RIGHTS FOR ALL MATTER NOW, NOT JUST AFTER 1/20/09

[Historic NY]

235. then you should have gone and voted for someone else......

I didn't hear that as a major platform, your asking he do something to bend your way before he even takes office. Perhaps McCain/Palin was your ticket.

[achtung_circus]

58. K & R nt

[Buzz Clik]

59. It's gotten to the point where DU offers nothing.

My mosting rate is down to one or two per day. I read the threads less frequently.

Hell, I may go scouting for another Rush Limbaugh discussion forum; at least those idiots are entertaining.

[Name removed]

77. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ramapo]

60. Sick to death

I never K&R threads but this one hit home.

I am sick to death of all the whining.

Give everybody a break whiners. Grow up and understand that Obama's plan is to be INCLUSIVE. That means listening to and working with people that you might disagree with. It means that Obama can disagree with somebody on a variety of issues but maybe there is common ground for progress. The days of ignoring vast segments of society are over.

I am sick to death of the divisiveness and hatred. Enough is enough.

[FloridaGrl]

61. K and R!

It is getting ridiculous.

[PVnRT]

65. Criticism wrong! Shut up! Wah wah wah wah!

[HamdenRice]

67. K&R ! The Democratic circular firing squad is locked and loaded ...

and he hasn't even been inaugurated yet. You ain't seen nothin' yet. Just wait until he actually does something as president.

[Moochy]

69. This thread is helpful to those seeking longer ignore lists!

thanks!

[jmowreader]

70. K&Ring...

Half of those people seem to be trolls; the other half wouldn't be happy unless he named Dennis Kucinich to every Cabinet post.

[Douglas Carpenter]

72. People should pick their fights very carefully...After all Obama is our guy, warts and all

Sooner or later President Obama will do or say something that truly does upset me, something that actually does make genuine policy differences that translate out into concrete matters effecting real peoples lives. I will wait until such a time as that before I get myself worked into a tissy.

[Hope And Change]

73. K & R!

[mtnsnake]

74. If your POV had any real merit you wouldn't need to ask people to K&R it

It would get K&R on its own.

Frankly, I'm sick to death of whiners and complainers crying about every single action Obama takes

Lots of people are, but the same can be said about people who ask for K&Rs.

[dionysus]

78. you know what has real merit?

Brewer and Shipley!!!

one toke over the line sweet mtnsnake, one toke over the line

:hi:

[mtnsnake]

80. lol

yeah, that too

:hi:

[rhett o rick]

242. i am with you on this one snakey. whine whine whine, that reminds me, i need to open another box of

wine.

[dionysus]

75. kick

[Diamonique]

79. k&r

I don't see anything wrong with complaining (although I disagree with most of the complaints).

But all this piling on -- multiple posts about the same thing -- etc. is a bit much.

[cboy4]

81. A choice Obama had nothing to do with?

:rofl:

That's rich.

[eggplant]

82. k&r

[flvegan]

83. Please K&R this post if you saw this coming, both from Obama and from DU.

Frankly, I'm not surprised. Not surprised by Obama's decisions nor by the malaise felt on the DU about them.

I wish I could find my posts from the primaries. I remember over and over saying, once it was down to Edwards, Hillary and Obama, that once one of them was elected, at least we'd still have plenty to bitch about here at DU.

[nolabels]

124. Please K&R this post if you also if knew it wasn't worth the time to worry about it

Honestly, compared to Bill Clinton's picks, we should be happy as pigs in shit with what Obama has going. If Obama picked a bunch of people of the same mind set we all would be for some trouble at any rate.

[sakabatou]

85. I agree

K&R

[nichomachus]

87. I'll rec this because the Obama defenders are sounding

more and more like the Bush "21 percenters" every day

Whining indeed.

Why didn't Obama invite David Duke as an example of "reaching across the aisle."

Word out today is that the choice of Warren was Obamas and Obama's alone.

Screw him.

[Marrah_G]

88. I've liked the majority of his picks

I think choosing Warren is a slap in the face to the GBLT community.

There were plenty of other choices.

No, I won't shut up and nor am I whining.

This is about civil rights and those who would stand in the way of our GBLT citizens having equality.

[rhett o rick]

89. So you are whining about too much whinning? nm

[Jennicut]

90. There is a lot of fighting back and forth here when we are all Dems

and almost every single one of us here is for gay rights (I actually don't know anyone on this board who is not). But we seem to be attacking each other over whether our outrage over this is enough or not. I think Obama made a mistake with Rick Warren but tearing each other up about it won't help anything. I got into a disagreement with another poster yesterday after making a dumb joke so I apologized but the anger at each other disturbs me. I debated over whether to even come back yesterday but I guess its really hard to just give up DU altogether.

[deaniac21]

91. Talking points everyone! Don't get off message!

[windbreeze]

92. He was elected fair and square...now let him show us what a real leader is...

it seems we're spoiled after the last 8 years, and have no clue what that means....wb

[jetphixer]

95. Lead??

Hope he can lead caues he has to do it without me Im just gonna watch. Not help anymore.

[jetphixer]

93. Not Whinning

Im finished with all of it Not whining not care ing anymore i just reached the point of not giving a damm i just feel sold out let down first this Fat Bigot second Not shunting down GITNO right off we can torture for 2 more years huh.. SOS DD = Same old shit different day, Change means nothing, Thanks Obama !!!!

[old mark]

94. Rec. nt

[Kweli4Real]

96. That's why it's so fun to be a democrat ...

We get to whine when we are out of power ... AND ... whine when we ARE in power; rather than WORK for the change that we want to see. It's almost like most Democrats say, "I voted ... My work is done."

From what I've seen, Obama's pick for just about every slot has been wise AND prudent. He picked folks who seem to be less idealogogical, but have the chops to get things done. Is his pick of Warren a message to Gay America ... I doubt it. Maybe, just maybe, Obama is reaching out to the Warren who has for the last 5+ years sought to expand the christian conservative movement's agenda beyond anti-abortion, anti-Gay marriage, to include social justice issues. As many ex-christian conservatives have realized, it is a short step from there to advocating for Complete Human Rights for everyone.

[T Wolf]

160. The question is, "WHAT is he going to get done" with these competent people?

If all we are going to get is more effective" corporatism, I would rather have an incompetent repuke that fucks things up even more than Bushie did. Then, just maybe, enough Americans would be hurt enough to totally reject the GOP and DLC and turn to a real progressive, not another DINO.

[WI_DEM]

97. day after day since the day after the election people, mostly supporters of somebody else during

the primaries, have been on his case. Like their candidate would have done better.

[lamp_shade]

102. That's my observation too Wi-Dem. I'm not affected by the wailing.

[pecwae]

131. Bullshit.

If you didn't want to reignite the primary wars you wouldn't have posted such shit. It's all about the Clinton's for far too many people here. I suppose it's a good thing you have them to kick around though or you'd be kicking someone who couldn't defend themselves.

[liberal N proud]

99. There are some who will never be happy.

[EFerrari]

163. Right. Some people are just never happy and that's why

we're inaugurating Obama next month.

[iceman66]

100. K+R

[bitchkitty]

104. I'm tired of people who are turning this

place into Free Republic. Just because someone disagrees, doesn't make them a whiner or a complainer. I woke up yesterday to the news that a fundie Xtian who is against gay and female rights, will be at the inaugural. I strongly disagree. But I'm not a fucking whiner, and I'm not complaining, I'm stating my opinion.

That said, I also wish that everyone would learn the difference between your and you're, but up until now I haven't complained.

[Not a robought]

105. I'm going to K&R this thread to hopefully crucify it, as an example

of how truth to one's principles is always more worthy than blindly following a political leader's words and actions that the cheerleaders would prefer.

Inviting Warren to deliver the invocation as an action of being inclusive doesn't work when it's done to the exclusion of another.

...and it's got nothing to do with not being in office yet.

[katty]

181. thank you, yes - it has nothing to do with not being in office yet

[shellgame26]

294. "done to the exclusion of another"

Who is being excluded exactly?
The United States of America is made up of many different types of people who don't always agree with each other. NOT ONE SINGLE MENTION is being made of Rev. Lowry, who is also invited to the inauguration and who is in favor of gay marriage. Could it just possibly be that Obama wants to represent that he is President of EVERYONE? Even the religious right? You know it's hard to believe but the man actually got elected with some conservative support.

[Not a robought]

337. That's great, I'm sure there will be others at the inauguration

who also support equal rights. Is that supposed to cover for pastor Warren who would deny those rights? He's the President of EVERYONE, but so what? Are neocons getting a seat at the table too??

[AlCzervik]

106. Worst thread ever.

[kath]

126. yep. I'd like to give it an UN-rec and say "BITE ME".

[snooper2]

109. Fuck the whiners

K&R

[alwysdrunk]

112. These people are living in a dreamworld

They expect Obama to just barrel in and be a liberal Bush. They don't recognize CHANGE when they see it.

[Bluebear]

113. I can see where you got your user name

[Binka]

115. Be A Liberal Bush?

Did I just read that? On DU? Is your IQ 70?

[alwysdrunk]

117. Yes a liberal Bush. Ignoring everyone but his base.

Obama is not going to do that. He wants to be the President of ALL Americans. Not just those who share his beliefs or even those who voted for him.

[Binka]

120. Jesus Gawd

Do you believe in the tooth fairy too?

[alwysdrunk]

122. Nope. I'm living in the real world.

I know know Obama will never get the support of everyone, so does he. I think it's worth a shot though, see how far we can get. So does he.

[RaleighNCDUer]

262. Don't worry about it - in any online community there is a high percentage

of aspies and near aspies who don't really get nuance or allegory. The concept of 'liberal Bush' is something they can't wrap their heads around.

And neither is the concept of drawing in your opponants so as to disarm them.

A week after the inauguration people won't remember what all the fuss was about. Warren will have no impact, and yet Obama will have a channel of dialog for overturning DOMA, canceling DADT, and affirming full civil rights for the GLBT community. That's his long stated plan, and he will carry it out.

[Broadslidin]

114. It will be exciting to watch Pastor Warren tossing pinches of 'Gunpowder' into the inauguration fire

:nuke: :patriot: :nuke:

[JamesA1102]

118. Agreed

Give the man a chance.

[No Passaran]

119. And all this without having spent one day in the Oval Office

k/r

[Phoonzang]

121. K&R

[Window]

123. K/R. A thousand times.

:kick:

[Unca Jim]

127. Yep. Picking Warren *was* wrong.

Obama will probably make a few other bad decisions too. I'll support him when I think he's right, and call him out when I think he's wrong.

Still, I'm tired of the thousands of threads of pointless bitching.

Endless bitching annoys me more than the occasional wrong decision. Sorry if that's not PC, but it's true.

[psychmommy]

128. what minister or preacher would have been sufficient?

folks would have been complaining no matter who he chose. i am disappointed it wasn't a black minister but, i am not starting threads about it. you can't satisfy everybody all of the time. this minister isn't going to be drawing up legislation or running anything-he is praying in the new pres. if anything the atheists should be complaining that their view isn't being expressed-but, i haven't heard them complaining about being left out.

[Bluebear]

129. Maybe Dr. Gaddy?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7991702&mesg_id=7991702

PS atheists are not complaining because Warren did not campaign to take away THEIR civil rights.

[dionysus]

141. excellent choice. i used tot une in once in a while before we lost our AAR station

[CitizenPatriot]

149. for what it's worth

Pastor Warren and his ilk are campaigning to take away my right to govern my body. They'd like to turn me and other women into breeding machines who don't have the power to say NO, even if we are raped. That is a physical act of violence that then would lead to a lifetime of servitude as the parent of a child you did not want all because of his religious beliefs. Handmaid's tale, anyone?

That's pretty big issue to me.

But the guy hasn't been invited to write policy...so I'm hanging on to my currently me-controlled uterus for all it's worth and glad Obama is doing the progressive, inclusive things I voted for him to do by allowing other ideas and beliefs to be represented.

Now, if let's Pastor Warren set policies, me and my uterus will be VERY offended and will start many threads.

I'm NOT saying you shouldn't feel the way you do -- I'm just suggesting that when you say the athiests aren't complaining because he didn't campaign to take away their civil rights, you are forgetting or overlooking that he campaigned to take away a woman's right to run her own body, so my not being upset by this invitation is NOT because Warren doesn't threaten my civil and phyiscal rights. He sure does.

[RaleighNCDUer]

264. We already have no civil rights, in many important ways.

Because we have no 'god' that means we have no morals, you know, so therefore there's no way we dare acknowledge our atheism in a job interview, for instance. You know how many acknowledged atheists there are in public office, as compared to open gays? And yet, gays make up (with a very generous estimate) 8 - 10% of the population, while atheists and agnostics are 12 - 18%.

Atheists are no complaining because we recognise that this is a flash in the pan brouhaha which will have no effect whatsoever on Obama's plans - plans to overturn DOMA, cancel DADT and have the SC rule on full civil rights for gays.

[Solon]

147. Oh look, its Ms. "Homosexuality is like alcoholism", get off the fucking board...

Why weren't you tombstoned for that shit, it was deleted, luckily, my memory is still sharp.

[psychmommy]

166. i don't remember that particular one.

i am not tombstoned because i don't hate and i don't write hateful things to or about others. my apologies if i have hurt your feelings in the past.

[shellgame26]

295. LOL

:rofl:

[cwydro]

130. K & R. nt

[CitizenPatriot]

132. k & r and double d & r if I could

I posted something about the UAW just now...not too many takers. Guess I should follow the pundits lead and only post about The Latest Issue of the Day so we can all give our Opinions and Spin before we have all of the information because after all that is what freedom of speech is all about....

We also have the freedom to use our brains. Obama is making progressive choices to LISTEN and INCLUDE others. Now he sucks for that just because we don't agree with those opinions? I guess it would be better if he punished all of those asshats by being just like them. That would show them whose in power. Huh. A wee bit more thuggery, yes, that's what we need.

People are acting as if inviting this guy to speak is the same as condoning his stance on various issues. Seriously??? Inclusiveness is a strength that wins in the long run and in no way does it mean that Obama is going to support legislation that this guy wants. Are we in pre-school?

He's doing EXACTLY what I voted for him to do. I never thought he was going to cater to my personal agenda by using the mandate to whip the other side into control. Rather, I thought he would start the long process of rebuilding the liberal and progressive power by disabling the power of the enemy. And that's exactly what he is doing. When their base sees Pastor Warren at the inauguration, they will have to change some of their thinking. They won't be able to hate with such venom. Same idea as how we should have been dealing with foreign terrorists. By making ourselves human to them and inviting them to participate, we disarm them of their number one weapon.

AGIGHGHGHGHGHGGH!!!!! :grr::grr::grr::grr:

[Jackeens]

139. Brilliant post. n/t

[EFerrari]

164. You don't disable an enemy by promoting them and showcasing discrimination

is not inclusiveness but complicity.

[CitizenPatriot]

167. How is he promoting them and showcasing them?

You mean by allowing them to be involved in the inauguration?

You know, it isn't that I don't have issues with Pastor Warren -- as I stated up thread, as a woman who is being told I will have to have a baby if I am raped, I'm none too happy with the man either. I am a non-religious person who is personally VERY angry at much of what the religious movement has done in this country. EG, Prop 8. A truly disgusting piece of legislation, backed by the Mormans in a nauseating display of intolerance.

I had a friend who was married to an abusive man. He raped her and no doctor would give her an abortion without his approval. Pro-choice is a big deal to anyone who has seen the ramifications of not having it. There's a lot on the line for all of us, as a group of progressives who care about civil rights for all.

Warren is representing a different view point. He has many followers. I would like them to begin to see US as humans. It is the dehumanization process which is so dangerous and leads to hate and violence. We don't get rid of them by ignoring them or shutting them down. Disable the hate.

This isn't policy, it's strategy, and as such, even though I can't stand what he represents, I am OK with him representing it. I understand your take on it, though, and respect your opinion on the matter.

[EFerrari]

174. Dan White, as I recall, was a devout Christian with a different point of view.

But, this is really the crux, imho: If you or I reach out to each other in this thread, it will be humanizing and we may get a little closer in our understanding. We're liberals, that's what we do.

The right wing doesn't think in the same way. They are authoritarians and they see our olive branch as a white flag. Where we extend fellowship, they see weakness. When we respect their difference, they feel vindicated and, in fact, become more entrenched.

So, if what Obama is doing is in fact "reaching out" to the other side in an effort to reduce polarization, (which I don't really believe except in the sense that he's a politician and always working the crowd), this strategy will fail. When you "reach out" to authoritarians, what they see is a surrender and they move further into their corner because now you have validated their position.

[CitizenPatriot]

199. Yes, I totally agree with you on that

I don't trust those people, nor do I think they will "get it". Their agenda is not the same as ours; we want unity, better life for all, protect environment and civil rights, etc. They want power. Never the twain shall meet.

I don't think Obama thinks they can be "won" over and will negotiate fairly with us when they are in power. That's the crux of the matter- Soon, we will be in power. Hard to believe, I know. :-)

I still think there's validity to taking away the heat of their hate with their followers. TO see Pastor Warren basically endorsing Obama will be quite the shock to his people.

I get where you're coming from, though. I often think the same thing, for good reason. They've never shown themselves to reach across the aisle to us when they have power.

I like your posts and how you respond, and I'm glad that even though we're looking at this differently, we realize we are on the same team and can see one another's POV. Perhaps it's wrong of me, but in some way I enjoy that Obama is showing them how it SHOULD be done. How a real "Christian" would be acting. I don't have any hopes for their internal changes...but to smile on our way up to power is always a smart thing to do.

I hope to celebrate the many legislative victories we will have, while we smile at the haters. We don't have to hate and we are not about hate...though I've been brought down to it plenty of times out of rage. Let them think our show of kindness is weakness...all the better to surprise them later.

Cheers and thanks for the thought-provoking post. :hi:

[prostock69]

196. Great post.

:toast:

[TankLV]

133. Ahhh - more ASSHOLES still trying to defend the INDEFENSIBLE I see...

and all the usual suspects are present and accounted for...

[dionysus]

136. tank, you need a warm glass of milk and your banky;

[Alexander]

138. Heaven forbid we actually wait until he's President before we start complaining.

I care about policies, not what some idiot preacher says for 2 minutes.

[pecwae]

155. But the hit & run OP

got exactly what he wanted.

[DinahMoeHum]

134. K & R. Screw this "Nothing But The Best For The Oppressed" attitude.

Fuck purity litmus tests.

[d_b]

137. Fuck the whiners

& your face.

k&r

[sasquuatch55]

140. K&R

[proud progressive]

142. i tell ya what. i'll stop whining (i.e., expressing my opinion) when i see our leaders working for

me, and not themselves. it will be a cold day in hell when that happens!

[Laurab]

145. K&R nt

[Ioo]

158. Are you shitting me? This is what this is about, Get out if you do not want to hear it. GD awaits

[jaundicedi]

180. Because unquestioning approval worked so well during the Bush administration ...

That we just can't wait to try it with the Democratic party? If the only ones who bitch are the Republicans and the blue dogs guess who gets to drive?

[last_texas_dem]

230. Yeah

It's become apparent that a substantial number of DUers have much stronger authoritarian tendencies than I had suspected. I guess the right person just needed to be elected for them to let it be known.

[GoneOffShore]

159. Done and done

And yes - I'm not overly happy about Rick Warren BUT I'm not happy that ANY "religious" person has connections to government.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

162. K&R

[Bluebear]

171. So sorry to see your name here.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

183. I just think we need to give the guy a chance to be the president

before we count him out.

It doesn't mean that I agree with Rick Warren or any other gay-bashing asshole.

Let's face it, Obama has never presented himself as a totally pro-gay politician. He has, however, said time and again that he is willing to listen to all sides of an argument. If we are to hope to acknowledge and protect the rights of the GLBT community, we are going to have to work hard over the next few years presenting our arguments with sound logic and reasoning. And we're going to have to be ready to face a frustrating rash of illogical arguments against our cause, and persuade our opponents to change their opinions, one narrow mind at a time.

[RichGirl]

172. I will kick this thread...

although I'd rather kick the asses of those constantly complaining!

[AntiFascist]

173. Your post is misdirected...

as you can see from the number of recs on the other post about Warren, many of us only care strongly about this particular pick. Your attempt to group us with all the other "whiners and complainers" is a FAIL!

[kristopher]

175. K&R with gusto

[felinetta]

176. Yes, I'm tired of all this picking on Obama. He will never please

everyone. Hell, I'm an atheist, so I think all religion is a bunch of fairytale crap! If everyone expects him to be the perfect human being, then they ought to start with themselves. And I'm not one of those into giving Obama a time limit before I get angry. Could he have picked someone else that would have been more palatable? I'm not sure. There is such a variety of religious beliefs in America, that anyone that wants to point the finger and criticize him could! By the way, Obama was against Prop 8! And right nowI'm so tired of all right wing shit that I'll still be subjected to during Obama's presidency, that I hope people will be patient and see that Obama has a very different point of view than we are used to. Give Obama a chance.

[Infinite Hope]

177. K&R n/t

[JamesA1102]

185. Kick nt

[Still Sensible]

186. Generally I agree with the OP sentiment, however...

The Warren inclusion in the inaugural program is a mistake. When the president elect responded to a question this morning, his point was well taken. There is nothing wrong with being inclusive and working with people with whom you disagree... and it is in fact one of the things he campaigned on.

That said, there have to be any number of ministers out there that oppose gay marriage, based on their beliefs, without equating gays with rapists and pedophiles as Warren has done publicly in his campaign against prop 8. There are certainly others whose incusion would demonstrate post-partisanship without including this high-profile homophobe.

Obama won this election in part because, as opposed to his opponents, he demonstrated a remarkable ear for the politics of just about every issue he was confronted with. I'm sorry, this move was flat out politically tone deaf.

[antimatter98]

187. More 'Believe in Obama' propaganda in this diary.

You subscribe to the idea "Believing is seeing."

So, you blindly believe in Obama and therefore, like
a Jim Jones supporter, you would do or say anything for your
new lord.

You might try, "Seeing is believing."

[totodeinhere]

188. k&r

Good post.

[DeSwiss]

189. Not Recommending.

So if someone differs in their opinion from you, you're okay with it so long as they keep their traps shut, eh?

- And I guess you think Phil Gramm was right also.....

Oh, and just a small history lesson here: IT'S CALLED DEMOCRACY

[debbierlus]

191. Keep whining everyone because our voices need to grow LOUDER

And, it isn't whining.

I decried Obama's support of the bailout bill during the election cycle. Both democrats and republicans oppossed the bill, and it didn't provide him with political risk to stand against the theft of our treasury, in fact, he probably would have won by a wider margin. The theft of the money was a foregone conclusion yet Obama didn't use his voice to try and rally the people to stop the theft. He went along with it. And, that is just plain frightening.

Obama is a corporatist trying to save a corporate systmem. He never pretended to be a liberal, the only reason he holds this label is that he ran as the democratic candidate.

Frankly, I am thrilled there is so much outcry. It shows the people care more about the policies and actions of our chief political leader then the blind following of a celebrity politican.

Good on all of you who continue to raise your voice.

[OKNancy]

192. I don't like Warren, but then again, I don't like any preacher

I look at it like this... I have always just tuned out the praying and religious stuff. I'm not going to stop now.
Another two months and we will be reading about a new outrage........ or next week perhaps.

I'm laughing my ass off at all the back-sliding on the Obama-love.

[grantcart]

193. Not recommending because of the Warren invitation

The rest I agree with.

[Captain Lance Bass]

195. Obama is like most of us a CENTERIST

the far left wouldnt be happy if Ghandi hiself became prez.

Obama GETS IT...its time for change..a move to the center and not far left or right.

Its the platform he RAN on

[EFerrari]

198. There is nothing "centrist" about discrimination. And you need to poll DU

about their orientation. You're in for a surprise.

[leftstreet]

201. ABORT THE WARREN INVITATION NOW

:hide:

[Deep13]

202. What if I'm sick of efforts to sweep legitimate concerns under the rug?

And Obama personally pick Warren. So that is a lie.

[eagertolearn]

203. Does everyone have to have their own way? I thought Obama supporters

were different than that! We believed in him so let him run the country. We can't micro-manage everything.

[Mozcram]

204. "whiners!?" u have no idea

if someone makes a concerted effort to attack your humanity, and to disseminate this to a loyal following of thousands, you are not going to want that person to be chosen above all others, as the spiritual leader giving the invocation.

remember, we're talking about rights and equality of a sometimes-despised minority group, not "lifestyle preference" - you must be somewhat familiar by now of these facts.

[marybourg]

206. K & R n/t

[Viceroy Matt]

208. k&r

n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

209. I am K&R-ing this not for the OP, but, instead, for reply Number 2

[JimWis]

210. K&R

[SpankMe]

211. No rec on this one

I'm sick of people who are sick of whiners and complainers crying about every single action Obama takes.

1. I don't know of anyone on here who complains about every single action Obama takes.

2. Criticism from within is usually the most thoughtful and legitimate.

Stop whining about the whiners! That's so...whiney!

[Gman]

212. It wasn't 48 hours after the election that the purists started whining and complaining

and it started with Obama's biggest primary supporters. Some people just cannot stand victory unless it's under the purest of terms.

[EFerrari]

224. "Purist" is a term you use to mean "don't bother me with that thinking stuff".

Pretty efficient.

[Gman]

240. No, it's a term that means

Those that in a self-appointed manner decide or declare what the ideological dogma shall be and that any Democrat that does not adhere to it is a DINO, DLC'er, Republican-lite, and/or any other clever epithet that can be composed and get a K&R.

[EFerrari]

241. The truth of the matter is that the farther left you go, the less labeling there is.

Not the other way around. Labeling is a means of control that is used by authoritarians and those people are found to the right, not to the left.

[dbackjon]

213. Fucking sad when a thread like this is the top recommend thread here

PLACE IS FULL OF HOMOPHOBES who wouldn't know the meaning of equality if it bit them in the ass.


FUCK ANYONE THAT RECOMMENDS THIS SORRY ASS THREAD THAT IS FULL OF BULLSHIT AND LIES.

[Zodiak]

214. Nope....more sick of DUers using the word "whine" to infantilize other DUers.

And when people resort to that tactic, they edge closer to my ignore list. I can only read so much rhetorical chaff in a day.

[fascisthunter]

221. .

:thumbsup:

[Deja Q]

215. K&R

Narcissism has soared to new, unprecedented highs.

[ThatsMyBarack]

217. K&R!

:kick:

[Raine1967]

218. I have not whined about ANYTHING until now.

What about people like me?

I don't come out like crazy to defend or renounce... I have been chill about all of it. So -- does that mean that I cannot speak out against Rick Warren, or have I earned a right to whine? I think I would like to cash in my chips now.

Just curious.

[ooglymoogly]

219. I think this post is a pile of shit and I do not rec it.

As far as O is concerned I am treading water hoping for the best while wincing at just about every move. But mainly its the FISA thing I can't get past. Would I go out and beat the streets and phone bank
for him again say in the next election; All indicators are pointing downward. None the less I will wait and see. His invocation bigot is a slap in the face to the constitution and everything it stands for and screw all you apologists for these clear bait and switch tactics and treachery.

[sallyseven]

220. I am sick of it too.

Too much time ontheir hands.

[fascisthunter]

222. A whine is a whine is a whine

have some wine

[mckara]

223. HEAR! HEAR! We've Elected a Government of the People...

all the people, not just your interest groups.

[EFerrari]

227. Interest groups? Next thing you know, those activist judges will chime in.

[Still Sensible]

225. No, the OP is not full of lies, but the line about Obama having...

nothing to do with Warren invite certainly is not true based on the president elect's press conference this morning. His desire for inclusiveness is noble, but his selection of Warren is about the most politically tone-deaf--and insulting to an important constituency--move he has made.

While I do tire at the sheer volume of criticism he is receiving at DU, before he has a single day in office, I understand it. We have suffered through eight years of watching much of the policies of the administration being dictated by some of the most right wing sub-groups of the GOP--the neocons, the ultra free market fat cats and the intolerant and divisive religious right. Heck, they have even kicked the libertarians, long a core of their party, to the curb in their lust for money and power.

In that light, it is understandable that those on the left hoped for an Obama administration that would be the reciprocal. I don't think that is possible yet and if it happened it would set the stage for a GOP victory in 2012.

That said, there are some things this party and administration have to stand for unequivocally and equal rights is one of those things. It has been said on another thread that the Warren invite is perhaps a "brilliant" move on Obama's part to politically preempt the fundamentalists. That is rose-colored bullshit.

[Divine Discontent]

226. Why are you whining? Oh, that's right, it's a board where you can SAY WHAT YOU WANT

so back the hell off most people being pissed! you are not the Thread Queen!

[dcindian]

228. what Obama is doing is just plain wrong.

Inviting this hate filled bigot to share the stage in what is considered to be the biggest event in recent history is nothing short of an endorsement.

If you want to talk to the man then do it, but to invite someone so instrumental in the hate crime called prop 8 is a slap in the face to our brothers and sisters who have been told they are second rate citizens.

I can't even start to put into words how disappointing this is. One can only imagine how hard this is for our gay and lesbian friends.

[sunnystarr]

232. K&R but ....

I think he made a mistake with respect to Warren. He did choose him and he was wrong. I accept that he's imperfect.

[MarianJack]

233. K&R?

HELL YES!

[NeedleCast]

234. Can't Help Ya

I'm pretty much with you on the annoyance about people whining about every cabinet pick. Once they actually start making policy, then I'll decide if they were good choices or not.

However, Warren is an unmitigated piece of shit. Having this bigot anywhere near the hope and change inauguration is a mistake.

[mecherosegarden]

236. K&R N/T

[Historic NY]

237. All I know is it seems there are only one issue voters here...

damn the majority full steam ahead. People complaining about Obama perhaps would be happier with the other team.....people complaining about complaining...and then those complaining about DU...go over to the dark side or CU, see if you deserve each other. This place is going to be a mess if you keep second guessing and monday morning quarterbacking the President-elect. Skinner might just as well close it down or start serving cheese.

[Buzz Clik]

320. "All I know is it seems there are only one issue voters here...":

Their own.

No one else matters. That's why I rec'd this thread yesterday and kicked it today.

[wildbilln864]

238. didit! nt

[Sophree]

239. K&R

:kick:

For Obama!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

244. speak out, just don't whine, please.

[KG]

245. i am sick to death, too!

oh, wait. it's just a mild cold. nothing some airborne can't fix. :P

[Ken Burch]

246. So you're in the "shut up and know your place" faction.

Great.

Sorry if our defense of our principles offends you.

[byronius]

247. Discrete organic entities running totally unique operating systems, and processing.

And then: some blast out in anger, some sarcasticate, some whistle, some smile, some equivocate. Everybody views this from mulitpolar angles, inalterably.

I think a lot of individual reaction to this issue is firmly based in DNA weathered by life. If your tribe was passive/cohesive a million years ago, perhaps by living near agressive tribes, I think you'll emotionally trend cohesive, tempered to a degree shaped by your life experience. If your tribe emerged in less agressive circumstances, perhaps you'll trend 'feet to the fire'. I definitely trend cohesive, and though I felt disappointed with much that Clinton did as time went by, I still supported him. Maybe I was wrong to do so, but truly, there was always an emotive basis for the decision, underlying the logic.

I spent a lot of time in truly Red areas, and feel terribly scarred by it. I carry a great deal of rage around about the election of 2000, mostly bottled up. I fear Obama being weakened by any force, right or left, because my DNA/experience-based perceptions tell my that if this guy isn't It, we don't ever get It. If Obama's not Good Enough, we're effing Doomed. So I react emotionally to hearing him compared to Hitler by former supporters. My software pushes me there; it must be the Visigothic ancestral memories working on me -- if my chosen leader isn't actively engaged in Dark Acts, I tend to support him. Hmmm.

I've got 'enabler' routines.

Nonetheless, I hate bigots of all stripes. Proposition 8 is like a distant chorus of the 'Horst Wessel' song to me. Assholes. I can understand Warren raising hackles. What an insane dick. I get it.

I recommend that everybody run a system check, and see if you can spot the DNA/experience decision pattern. Aren't we amazing machines?

[dana_b]

267. you deserve a k&r!!

[idahoblue]

251. K and R

K and R!!!

[CadenBlaker]

252. I'm perfectly happy with Obama.

I think he's done a fine job thus far. :)

[Richd506]

255. K & R !

I wish some people had been paying more attention when Obama said he was going to 'reach across the isle'. He actually meant it and it's for the better. I agree with republicans on absolutely nothing; they drive me crazy. But sometimes we have to work with the people that drive us crazy. Sometimes we have to compromise. That's life. I do wish for Obama to speak up more for gay rights but we have to let the man breathe. We can't criticize every little thing he does!

[osaMABUSh]

260. Sick and tired

x

[RetroLounge]

263. But your kind of whining is okay?

:eyes:

RL

[treestar]

265. K&R

Some people are never satisfied. If they don't like Obama, they aren't going to get what they want in the U.S. for a very long time. This country elected Obama, not whoever would do whatever it is they want.

[LeftCoast]

266. With allies like you guys...who needs Republicans?

:puke:

[girl gone mad]

269. What a hateful thread.

I'm ashamed to be a member of DU with threads like this one.

I support my GLBT brothers and sisters 100%

This thread disgusts me.

[ruggerson]

271. you're not alone

[pecwae]

318. It's filth, yet look where it is.

This just proves to me that the so called progressives on this site don't support civil rights for everyone. It's the SOS; some are more equal than others.

I've got too many GL family members not to see, close up, how being denied civil rights affects them. Every one of them supported PE Obama. McClurkin upset them, but they gave Obama the benefit of doubt. This choice of Warren, and it was a choice, is a cold slap in their collective faces and I understand why they feel that way.

[Midlodemocrat]

324. Ditto. Hateful in the extreme.

[Spryboy]

270. I'm sorry, but Obama deserves serious criticism for this pick

The conservative religious hard-right has had a very loud voice for the last 8+ years.

And here we have Obama giving them even more. WHY?!? Oh yeah, and this was specifically an Obama pick, on purpose, so the OP is completely wrong here, just like they are wrong about whining about anyone trying to hold Obama TO HIS OWN STANDARDS.

ENOUGH, for chrissakes.

We voted for CHANGE. This isn't CHANGE. Rick Warren is just the same old Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, right-wing hard-core anti-science religious conservative asshole we've put up with for far, far too long.

And of course, if Rick Warren had ever said anything anti-semetic, he'd never even be CONSIDERED for this, and rightly so.

So why is a raging and proud homophobe and anti-gay bigot given this honor?!?

How is this showing or exemplifying tolerance? It's rewarding intolerance.

Would Obama host and give a respectful welcome to the Grand Dragon of the KKK, in the interest of diversity and having all opinions heard? I. Don't. Think. So.

I'm sorry, but Obama is flat out, completely, and totally wrong on this. And so are any of you actually defending or excusing this action by Obama, as well as any of you telling gay people to 'get over it', 'give it a rest', or to just 'shut up and sit down'. This is an outrage. And if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

No recommendation for this thread from me. It doesn't deserve one.

[Politicalboi]

273. So saying something about

A gay bashing closeted homo is whining. Well as time goes on and history is made this shit stain Warren will ALWAYS be there. It will stain this moment in history FOREVER.

[NM Independent]

274. A-fucking-men n/t

[yourguide]

275. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

[citizen snips]

276. K&R for less qq

[ShadowLiberal]

277. I agree, you'd think Obama was a republican with how much some people here complain

I mean seriously, someone asked yesterday if Obama has lost your vote in 2012. How can someone lose your vote before they've even taken office yet?

[girl gone mad]

284. oct. 2007. n/t

[johnnyrocket]

278. YES! The whining is unbearable!! I don't care if Obama eats puppies for lunch, he's 10000% better...

than the slime in the white house now, that has wasted, COMPLETELY WASTED 8 years of the USA's existence.

[girl gone mad]

283. hidden profile. n/t

[Zambero]

279. I'm Pro- "Get a Life"

Now hear this, nay-sayers: GET A LIFE!

[girl gone mad]

282. hidden profile. n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

280. It's our duty as citizens

to subject Obama (or any other Democrat) to the same sort of scrutiny as we would George Bush or Dick Cheney. People can be smooth talkers and get people's hopes up, but "the proof is in the pudding," as they say. I have hopes for Obama, but I think it's smart to stay skeptical.

[lostnotforgotten]

281. As A Obama Apologist You Can Go Jump In the Lake!

eom

[happychatter]

285. Error: You've already recommended that thread. n/t

[Solon]

290. 319 people need to get their asses tombstoned. n/t

[NYC_SKP]

336. ~~~~

[bluedawg12]

292. I don't want another Pastor in Chief it is not Obama's job

to debate theology with fundy's on my behalf - it IS his job to help pass legislation for justice and gay rights.

[TheDebbieDee]

293. Chill out, everybody! Stop sweating the small stuff!

[quidam56]

297. Give the guy ( Obama ) a chance !

Finally we are opening dialog with people who don't always think the same way we do. Change is coming from the bottom up in Appalachia.
http://www.wisecountyissues.com

[NYC_SKP]

342. yep--nt

[caseymoz]

298. I just think we should wait till the guy is POTUS to make our judgment.

Does anybody remember who gave the keynote speeches at Bush's inaugurations? At Clintons?

If the guy bashes gays from that pulpit, that would be something else.

[DerekJ]

299. Can`t rec. anymore so I will kick it.

[Creideiki]

300. Let me offer a fervent prayer

You have to respect it now because it's my deep-seated religious conviction, right?

I fervently hope that you find yourself stripped further of rights by this incarnation of the "Democratic" Party and Mr. Obama.

I've rolled with a lot of these punches because I never expected that Obama was anything but a moderate Republican--I was in Illinois when he was in the Senate, and I know what he did and did not support.

I think I'll also fervently state that I have a religious belief that you should be terminated at will and have no recourse to anything like a social safety net.

Somewhere, there's pond scum that's more evolved than people who hold your attitude. Why don't you go hang out with them and cheer at how joyous your miserable existence is.

[RaleighNCDUer]

330. Your fervent prayer

reads just about as long as Warren's invocation will.

With just about as much effect in the real world.

[Nailzberg]

301. Past the rec deadline, but I'll kick

:kick:

[Enthusiast]

302. I'm sick to death of

all the whining about anything Obama does. But, I think picking Warren SUCKS! The guy is a CREATIONIST! :mad: And he hates gays! :grr:

[TWiley]

304. K&R

[hardtoport]

305. You must not be too sick to death of 9000 threads criticizing Obama

if you keep reading them. It's a free country, sort of. No one is making you come here.

If you don't like dissent, then the Democratic party is probably not for you. We may be a lot of things, but we aren't goosesteppers. You know, you may choose to classify this is whining, but I don't care enough about any online community to be bullied by the STFU brigade.

I am willing to judge the man on what he does, not who he appoints. When it comes to the Warren thing, and with the McClurkin thing for that matter, what he has done is taken an extremely dismissive attitude towards the GLBT community. Imagine if he had announced that an openly gay clergyman like Gene Robinson was to give the invocation? The right would have squawked like a wet hen and Obama would have folded like a lawn chair. Yet when the GLBT community expresses their feelings, not only does he dismiss them, but he acts like he is a such a tolerant person for giving a bigot a forum. Then he jams the thumb in their eye by calling himself a fierce proponent for gay rights when nothing could be further from the truth. No one supporting " separate but equal " treatment can call themselves a warrior for the cause.

I support my president, but I'm calling it like I see it. He, like many of my fellow heterosexual Democrats, are allowing the last acceptable prejudice to continue for political expediency. I think he is a good man who is capable of opening his mind and learning from his mistakes. I see no reason why progressives should stop trying to change his mind when we feel he is wrong.

[puebloknot]

306. Eight years under the boot of religious extremism is a perfect reason to "whine and complain" ...

... about Obama's catering to the most high-profile symbol of that same extremism there is.

It's absurd to suggest that Warren is just being foisted on Obama, and that he doesn't have a choice about who give the invocation at his inauguration.

Let the protests against this disgusting choice grow in volume until Obama hears!

[bdamomma]

307. kick

[Medusa]

308. Amen.

K*R

[Malikshah]

310. Sick to death of people knowingly lying in the their OP. Obama defended his choice

He had something to do with it.

Shame on you.

[DCBob]

311. Forgive them for they know not what they do.

Rec!

[terrya]

312. This is one of the worst posts I've ever seen on DU.

This is your all purpose "get over it", "shut up, you whiny homos" and "don't you dare criticize Obama" post. Offensive in the extreme.

[Name removed]

315. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[dccrossman]

313. Kick

:kick:

[nradisic]

316. Give the guy a chance...

Obama was elected on the promise of change and bringing the country together. Give him the benefit of the doubt to see what he can do.

[Tveil]

317. K&R n/t

[Buzz Clik]

319. "Error: You've already recommended that thread." This is your fault, Obama!

[Baby Snooks]

321. I want my vote back...

I want to write-in Mickey Mouse. At least Disney appreciates gays and lesbians and diversity and doesn't pander to religious bigots.

The presidents we've had of late have lost the respect of a majority of Americans after they took office. Barack Obama has lost the respect of a majority of Americans before he has taken office.

[Rudyabdul]

328. Speak for yourself...

You don't know how many Americans have lost respect for PE Obama. Many understand what he is trying to do, others could give a rats-ass as long as he fix the problems plaguing this country.

You "want your vote back"? It's just people like you who are being petty and childish.

[sui generis]

322. kick the OP if you're sick and tired of people telling gays to get over it

kick kick kickkickkickkick

dumbasses.

Where the fuck do you think you are?

[km1550]

323. Dismaying, to say the least.

Obama's message of "change" has proven to be nothing more than a gimick. His "policy team" and empty promise rhetoric has turned out to be business as usual.

God help America.

[JackRiddler]

325. How about a sieg heil for blind cheerleaders?

People will have their opinions, generally stated with more backing than this nonsense, they will express them and debate them. If I'm sick of someone today, it's people who don't understand and seem threatened by the concept of debate in a democracy (or an Internet debate board).

[Willo]

327. All the variations of "He isn't even in office yet" simply means

that on January 21, 2009 he is so fucked.

[ncteechur]

331. can we double and triple recommend this one?

I'm quite sure he has not been at thinking "Now what can I do to piss off the far left and the far right."

There are going to be times and decisions that piss you off. OK. Rant a little and then be done with it.

[butterfly77]

333. KICK! and recommended!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

334. I can no longer rec it (over 24 hrs) but I'll kick it.

[Honeycombe8]

338. Here, here. nt

[ncteechur]

339. Kick--ee-poo!

[Name removed]

340. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[NYC_SKP]

341. Kicking. Freepers must love the infighting at DU....

And once Jerry Brown successfully overturns prop 8, all this drama is going to look even more like the pointless bellyaching that it is.

Now, I wouldn't say that if I thought that expressing outrage at other good democrats was productive, or that it even had a chance of being a little bit productive.

But it is actually counterproductive, divisive, and very closed-minded and intolerant.

[Herlong]

343. Kick

:kick:

[NYC_SKP]

344. Welcome to DU...

Two posts since 2003, donating member.

I'm flattered that your second post is a kick behind mine......

:kick:

[yardwork]

346. Do you think that Proposition 8 is the only problem?

[NYC_SKP]

347. No, not at all, just the Problem du Jour. And when this passes there will be another.

I remember FISA, that had quite a number of us at each others' throats.

The Rick Warren issue has produced some of the nastiest interactions I've ever seen, though, and from both sides of the issue.

Prop 8 is one I'm following closely in the news here, I'm expecting success but it may take some time.

[jonnyblitz]

348. this "shut up you pesky fags" thread has a long life.

it's a "whose who" list for me.

[LeftCoast]

350. At least I know what people really think now

There have been a couple of wonderful posters of great compassion, many of the usual suspects and a few people who've shown their true colors.