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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:36 PM
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Obama to Pelosi: Stimulus 'can't wait'
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17058.html

Saying “the people’s business can’t wait,” President-elect Barack Obama met Monday morning with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to talk about his economic stimulus plan.

“We’ve got an extraordinary economic challenge ahead of us. We’re expecting a sobering job report at the end of the week," Obama said. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and her staff have been "working with our team to shape an economic recovery and reinvestment plan that starts putting people back to work,” Obama said.

Pelosi called it a “great honor and personal privilege to welcome you to the speaker’s office. Tomorrow we will swear in a new Congress. We will hit the ground running on the initiatives, some of which you described, to address some of the pain being felt by the American people.” They took no questions but Obama promised a media availability later.

Obama’s trip to the Capitol was his first of the New Year and comes the day before the 111th Congress convenes.

:patriot:
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:37 PM
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1. Why don't I trust Reid and Pelosi? They got all the power and still spout off what they CAN'T do!?!?
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:39 PM
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2. I'm glad he let everybody know today that
"the people's business can't wait"! That's an understatement! I need things turned around like yesterday! LOL!!
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:46 PM
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3. That was one strong statement he made. They'd be crazy to ignore it.
And yeah, we need things turned around, too. We're okay, except for our retirement accounts. But our boys, both in their 20s, are having a really hard time finding work to support themselves fully. So we're helping out. That's what families do.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:49 PM
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7. My son has two years of school left. I hate to think of him
graduating and way in debt with no job possibilities. He'll come out competing with people like me for the same work! It's crazy and we really need to start working on it.

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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:56 PM
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11. It's really scary. One of mine is living at home so he can pay his student loans.
The other one has decided to go to law school since he can't find a decent job and needs a student loan deferment from his undergrad. But that won't start until the fall, so for now he's working as much as he can doing any work he can find, and we're taking up the slack.

They both went to good schools. We took out loans and they took out loans and they both got scholarship money. We never thought it would turn out like this. It almost feels like somebody sold us all a bill of goods. We worked hard, they worked hard. They got excellent grades so they could get scholarships. They both graduated with honors from college. But they can't find decent jobs. How the hell does that happen?

Let's keep our fingers crossed that when yours graduates, things will be better. I'll be pulling for you.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:00 PM
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15. You said it all.....
I told my son he needs to be an eternal student if things don't change. Why come out and have these bills waiting for you and end up screwing your credit forever if me and dad kick the bucket and he can't pay them on his own. Good thing your boys have a plan. I feel exactly as you do....sold a bill of goods. It worked back in my day but there isn't a whole lot out here for young people...or even old people like me! ;-)
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:52 PM
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8. Excellent indeed. Public pressure is important to light a fire under Congress's asses.
With Obama making frequent public statements calling for Congress to push the stimulus through, it will be harder for Reid and Pelosi to jerk us around. There's strong pressure on them both to get a stimulus bill through, and if the GOP doesn't cooperate, pressure will be brought on them as well.

I predict that Obama will have a stimulus bill waiting on his desk that he will sign on Inauguration Day.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:12 PM
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22. wouldn't that be great! n/t
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:49 PM
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6. To be fair, Pelosi's been a minor improvement over Reid.
I'm not a fan of Pelosi myself (especially because of the "Impeachment is off the table!" thing, and also because of crap like FISA), but aside from that, she's been more effective as Speaker of the House than Reid's been as Majority Leader in the Senate.

Maybe it's just because the Democrats have had a clear majority in the House, and there are no filibusters in the House, but usually what happens is that legislation cruises through the House, then gets filibustered in the Senate.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:47 PM
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4. I like Obama, and voted for him, and am glad he's there, BUT
it seems like, to me, that when it comes to the economy there IS more than one president at a time...but, when it comes to Gaza, there isn't.

Just sayin'.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:58 PM
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13. Oh good grief.
:eyes:
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:00 PM
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14. Yeah. I knew a reply like that was coming.
Yet, nothing to contradict what I said. He's working with Congress on a stimulus package. He's not said a word about Gaza, using the line, "there's only one president at a time."

Well, which is it?
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:02 PM
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16. come on...there are plenty of other threads devoted to that subject...
we're talking about the economy and that directly affects all of us. Anything he says won't stop the war today.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:04 PM
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19. I'm talking about consistency. Either there is one president at time
or there isn't. I'm glad he's showing leadership on the economy. I wish he was consistent across the board. Children are dying.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:03 PM
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17. Just stop hijacking threads. It's frowned upon. nt
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:05 PM
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20. :(
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 04:06 PM by rateyes
I guess I'll just have to start another thread.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:09 PM
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21. That would be appropriate. Or adding your voice to one of the many others
about this subject would also be a good way to go.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:14 PM
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23. See you there, I guess.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:27 PM
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24. Country First.
:hi: Thats because, When it comes to the economy there IS more than one president at a time...but, when it comes to Gaza, there isn't.
http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/20884120/america_first.htm?pageid=27062
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:48 PM
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5. This is why it can't wait.
Fighting Off Depression

By PAUL KRUGMAN

Published: January 4, 2009
“If we don’t act swiftly and boldly,” declared President-elect Barack Obama in his latest weekly address, “we could see a much deeper economic downturn that could lead to double-digit unemployment.” If you ask me, he was understating the case.

The fact is that recent economic numbers have been terrifying, not just in the United States but around the world. Manufacturing, in particular, is plunging everywhere. Banks aren’t lending; businesses and consumers aren’t spending. Let’s not mince words: This looks an awful lot like the beginning of a second Great Depression.

So will we “act swiftly and boldly” enough to stop that from happening? We’ll soon find out.

We weren’t supposed to find ourselves in this situation. For many years most economists believed that preventing another Great Depression would be easy. In 2003, Robert Lucas of the University of Chicago, in his presidential address to the American Economic Association, declared that the “central problem of depression-prevention has been solved, for all practical purposes, and has in fact been solved for many decades.”

Milton Friedman, in particular, persuaded many economists that the Federal Reserve could have stopped the Depression in its tracks simply by providing banks with more liquidity, which would have prevented a sharp fall in the money supply. Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, famously apologized to Friedman on his institution’s behalf: “You’re right. We did it. We’re very sorry. But thanks to you, we won’t do it again.”

It turns out, however, that preventing depressions isn’t that easy after all. Under Mr. Bernanke’s leadership, the Fed has been supplying liquidity like an engine crew trying to put out a five-alarm fire, and the money supply has been rising rapidly. Yet credit remains scarce, and the economy is still in free fall.

Friedman’s claim that monetary policy could have prevented the Great Depression was an attempt to refute the analysis of John Maynard Keynes, who argued that monetary policy is ineffective under depression conditions and that fiscal policy — large-scale deficit spending by the government — is needed to fight mass unemployment. The failure of monetary policy in the current crisis shows that Keynes had it right the first time. And Keynesian thinking lies behind Mr. Obama’s plans to rescue the economy.

But these plans may turn out to be a hard sell.

News reports say that Democrats hope to pass an economic plan with broad bipartisan support. Good luck with that.

In reality, the political posturing has already started, with Republican leaders setting up roadblocks to stimulus legislation while posing as the champions of careful Congressional deliberation — which is pretty rich considering their party’s behavior over the past eight years.

More broadly, after decades of declaring that government is the problem, not the solution, not to mention reviling both Keynesian economics and the New Deal, most Republicans aren’t going to accept the need for a big-spending, F.D.R.-type solution to the economic crisis.

The biggest problem facing the Obama plan, however, is likely to be the demand of many politicians for proof that the benefits of the proposed public spending justify its costs — a burden of proof never imposed on proposals for tax cuts.

This is a problem with which Keynes was familiar: giving money away, he pointed out, tends to be met with fewer objections than plans for public investment “which, because they are not wholly wasteful, tend to be judged on strict ‘business’ principles.” What gets lost in such discussions is the key argument for economic stimulus — namely, that under current conditions, a surge in public spending would employ Americans who would otherwise be unemployed and money that would otherwise be sitting idle, and put both to work producing something useful.

All of this leaves me concerned about the prospects for the Obama plan. I’m sure that Congress will pass a stimulus plan, but I worry that the plan may be delayed and/or downsized. And Mr. Obama is right: We really do need swift, bold action.

Here’s my nightmare scenario: It takes Congress months to pass a stimulus plan, and the legislation that actually emerges is too cautious. As a result, the economy plunges for most of 2009, and when the plan finally starts to kick in, it’s only enough to slow the descent, not stop it. Meanwhile, deflation is setting in, while businesses and consumers start to base their spending plans on the expectation of a permanently depressed economy — well, you can see where this is going.

So this is our moment of truth. Will we in fact do what’s necessary to prevent Great Depression II?
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:57 PM
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12. I don't think...well I certainly doubt that it will take months to pass
a stimulus plan. I think too many people are hurting and they too want this thing done. There will be assholes trying to disrupt and block but I really think that because they started the work early it will pass. We may still be in the tank for 2009 just because I'm not fooling myself...we're fucked, and it's going to take a while to see improvement.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:52 PM
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9. Darn right, Obama! There are 24 hours in a day. No more excuses.
The American people won't accept this. We need to do a lot more than this. Get with it! Elections are just two years away.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:54 PM
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10. The time is rapidly coming for us all to start chewing on some
Congressional and Senatorial tush. Time to get to work.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:04 PM
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18. You are correct! I just moved to this state but I've already found out
who I need to contact if they start trying to slow down the progress!!
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