Anyone else a little freaked out about how fragmented the dems are?

[mucifer]

And if you really want to get nervous go to the Chicago newspaper's websites. It's a total mess. Huffington Post isn't much better. I think I need to hibernate for a while.

[Barack_America]

1. Are you talking about Congressional Dems...

...Or Dems in the blogosphere?

[mucifer]

2. the politicians, mostly.

[Barack_America]

4. Then I think it's a good thing...

When Democratic politicians all agree, it's usually because they've decided to roll over for Republicans.

Disagreement just means that some of them are actually fighting for something.

[TheWraith]

7. I have a hard time with that idea when many of them are choosing to fight the Pres Elect.

Including some people who I would expect otherwise from, and some people who I would as soon kick in the ass as look at them.

[Barack_America]

11. Even that is not necessarily a bad thing.

Just think of the shape our country could be in if some Republicans decided to do that with Bush.

And I don't see as much fighting of Obama as I do questioning of him.

[TheWraith]

31. I see it as a bad thing when they're willing to fight Obama but not Bush.

It's the same old story of congressional Dems acting like a herd of feral cats as soon as there's a Dem in the White House.

[AndyTiedye]

33. That's Because Bush** Was Blackmailing Them

Now they're only being blackmailed by AIPAC, so they all roll over for Israel, and do the feral cat thing the rest of the time.

[Cha]

10. That's right..that's the only

time they agree.

[Cleita]

3. Real Democrats aren't fragmented. It's all the Republican Lite corporate whores

who have invaded our tent and apparently taken over. Many of us are annoyed.

[avaistheone1]

6. Thank you for that breath of fresh air.

I wholeheartedly agree.

[Pirate Smile]

16. Who counts as Real Democrats?

[Cleita]

17. The Democrats who were union workers and common people who believed in

democracy and the American dream. They were the Democrats who brought us FDR, Truman,Kennedy and LBJ. Through them we got Social Security, Civil Rights, Medicare and better education, roads and jobs. Those Democrats. Screw the corporate whores.

[TheWraith]

32. You have lovely rose-colored glasses.

Plenty of people at the time thought FDR, Kennedy, et al were sellouts and shills too.

[Cleita]

35. I lived through those times and those of us who knew better didn't

think so. Of course there were the usual propagandists who besmirched their reputations. Those things don't change.

[terisan]

39. Alas I think the corporate whores are going to run this White House nt

[w4rma]

18. non-corporatists? (nt)

[leftstreet]

37. Well said!

[rasputin1952]

5. Not at all...

we are a diverse group, but we hold one common bond...the end of the neo-con era.


If we were like the R's, we'd really be in sad shape. Heck, they are far more fragmented now than they've ever been, w/no prospect for a future as far as one can see. If there is anything we can be thankful to bush for, it is the destruction of the GOP...:D

[jwirr]

8. I am very worried about the differences on the goals withing the

party, congress and the blogs. We wanted change and now it seems we are going to fight among ourselves about what this change meant. I am also worried that we may have misunderstood what PE Obama meant by change. At this point I am finding it hard to figure out where we are going and what if anything I can do to influence it. I hope we can pull together enough to at least get some of the things we wanted done. Single-payer health care plan, end the wars in the ME and begin again to promote peace around the world, green issues, economic issues including hunger, and many more.

[Beacool]

9. And the Democratic party has been united...........

When????

[Kittycat]

12. If congressional dems don't fuck this thing up...

We can count on Harry Reid to.

[elleng]

24. Well, 'congressional' dems (including senatorial dems)

are doing a stellar job.

Jan. 8 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Senate unanimously approved a resolution expressing support for Israel in its conflict with Hamas, while the House of Representatives prepared to act on a similar measure tomorrow.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, said the measure “expresses vigorous support” for Israel."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aUhdubfcXlOE&refer=politics

MSM is HIDING this from U.S. public, as it is hiding grizzly facts about what's been happening in Gaza.

[Tarheel_Dem]

13. I am. With Harry Reid's recent public statements about not working for Obama...

especially in light of his acquiescence these past eight years, I find it troubling that he's found his backbone at this particular time in our history. I hope the Dems don't over-correct just so they won't be labeled a "rubber stamp" Congress. When Obama "overreaches" as Harry put it, then yes he should be taken to task, but I certainly hope my own party won't be the obstructionists, there's just too much that HAS to get done. Then again, perhaps it's all theater for the sake of the media.

[Captain Hilts]

23. That was a shitty thing to say...

even if it is technically true.

THIS the kind of crap Clinton got in large doses in spring '93-from DEMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jennicut]

14. This IS the Dem party. We hardly ever unite well. I am surprised we did so well in 2008.

But 8 years of Shrub and a good presidential candidate will make that happen.

[AtomicKitten]

15. We're in charge now and finding we have too many chiefs and not enough indians.

[madfloridian]

19. It's time.

We control congress and we have the white house. If we can't stand up for Democratic ideals now we never will.

[Thrill]

20. Funny thing is watching CNBC. And Tom Coburn was on and him and Rob Reich

were defending Obama. Tom Coburn was really defending him. Go Figure. Especially on how much Obama wants the whole process to be transparent.

[PM7nj]

21. I'm a little freaked out at how dumb some of the Democrats are.

It was absolutely stunning to watch Harry Reid manage the Burris situation.

:banghead:

[Danger Mouse]

22. Could be worse. We could be in the Republicans' boat.

They're fragmented, with none of the fragments wanting anything to do with each other.

[madamesilverspurs]

25. Fractious though we may be

our very blatant and vocal diversity is, to my thinking, a very welcome change to the mindless lockstep stepfordness practiced by the Republicans for way too long. We squabbled and yowled our way through the primaries, and still pulled it together enough to reclaim the White House and gain a few seats in Congress. Come January 21st, we'll be well on our way to fully reconstituting the identity that defies stereotyping. We just don't have it in us to do the prissy posturing with matching lapel pins - let's leave that to the Republicans.

[TygrBright]

26. No, but I'm old. I never expected anything else. n/t

[EraOfResponsibility]

27. The ones who benefit from us being fragmented are the republicans n/t

[PurityOfEssence]

28. Look at how fragmented the Republicans are

It's a fragmented kind of time.

[anonymous171]

42. They aren't fragmented. They are just unpopular.

The GOP has never been fragmented like the Democratic party has.

[MilesColtrane]

29. It's always been this way.

Democrats have always been a herd of cats.

See my sig line.

[Jamastiene]

30. Welcome to the Democratic Party.

Circular firing squads, while disheartening and shocking at first, are a time honored traditional routine for us. We do it all the time. It is how we arrive at this thing called "consensus." Consensus is the fact that we agree on very little but what we DO agree on, DAMMIT, WE AGREE ON THAT. That would be the glue of an egg white consistency but with the strength of a spider web made of Kryptonite. It is the glue that holds us together.

Hey, we are Democrats. We don't do lock step and we don't believe in being tightly strung. We just sorta hang around loosely and fight like cats and dogs until a FReep troll steps in and gives us a reason to turn our ire, venom, anger, and frustration on them. They have had a bad day when they do that. Fuck with us and we'll fuck with you. (You meaning the general sense of the word, not directed at you you)

Any more questions?

[backscatter712]

34. Again, Will Rogers...

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

[liberalpragmatist]

36. I think people are making a big deal out of nothing

... that isn't to say that there aren't potential trouble spots. But the media is blowing small disagreements into big deals.

The Burris/Blagojevich saga is embarrassing but it has very little to do with Obama's administration of the political climate of the coming years.

Beyond that, you're seeing some (relatively polite) disagreement over Leon Panetta's nomination and Obama's tax cut proposals. Yet the mood is far from toxic and the atmosphere of the Hill meetings with Summers and Geithner was said to be very good.

[terisan]

38. Obama has angered many people with move to right. Summers and Rubin (Citibank) are

doing a supply side economic plan. Frankly I do not have faith in the Congress. I think they will cave to Obama's people after they get more control over where the money goes.

Judging from the outlines of the plan it is not designed to help the economy much. My guess is that they believe the economy will eventually right itself and in the meantime they are passing out goodies for super rich, corporation , etc.

If Americans get the stars out of their eyes we will probably have a 2nd American revolution.

[rvablue]

40. No. I'm not. n/t

[anonymous171]

41. I'm not. We have been the catch-all party for 8 years. It's time to prune the hedges.

Who do we want to keep: The progressive left or the center-right?