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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:37 PM
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Obama sais ECONOMIC PLAN WILL BE REFINED! (or, be patient people!)
Associated Press

WASHINGTON – President-elect Barack Obama said Friday that he and Congress will "hone and refine" his nearly $800 billion economic recovery plan, as he seeks to patch fissures with senior Democrats over key features of the still-emerging plan.

The job was made more urgent with the release of a Labor Department report showing job losses of 524,000 in December and a 7.2 percent unemployment rate, the highest in 16 years.

Obama said he welcomed input from lawmakers in both parties. His plan is getting off to a rocky start, with top Democrats openly slamming key provisions, especially the design of his tax cuts.

"If members of Congress have good ideas, if they can identify a project for me that will create jobs in an efficient way that does not hamper our ability over the long term to get control of our deficit, that is good for the economy, then I'm going to accept it," the president-elect said.

A squadron of Obama officials came to the Capitol to brief House Democrats on the measure and again heard criticism of some of Obama's proposed tax cuts, particularly a $3,000 tax credit for job creation. Lawmakers pressed for more infrastructure spending and tax credits to promote renewable energy. The feedback loop promi

"What we can't do is drag this out when we just saw a half-million jobs lost," Obama said

A call for a $3,000 tax break for job creation drew particular criticism in a closed-door meeting, and numerous lawmakers said Obama had not ticketed enough of his tax proposal for energy and that more needed to be done to ease the Housing crisis.

"All of their priorities are ones that we share," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. "We just want to make sure that those functions, when they're written in the bill, are ones that can be used immediately and can create jobs."

Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., said Friday that areas of broad agreement and universal sentiment of the need to act far outweigh areas of disagreement.

"Please don't get the idea there was some sort of breakdown here," Boxer told reporters.

Obama's aides and congressional Democrats have been at work for weeks on legislation to create new jobs, help the unemployed, cut taxes and aid cash-strapped states. There also are subsidies to help the newly unemployed afford their health care, a big new effort to improve the energy efficiency of federal buildings, and tax credits for business investment in plants and equipment.

The details are closely held and subject to change — and the cost of various components seems to be bouncing around daily in the push and pull between the Obama transition team and congressional leaders.

"Spend more on infrastructure. That was a recommendation made in the caucus," said Rep. Earl Pomeroy, D-N.D. Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., said money will be added to have state and local governments buy up foreclosed homes.

Boxer said about 20 percent of the bill would provide aid the cash-strapped states, with 40 percent, or about $300 billion for tax cuts for individuals and businesses. The remaining 40 percent would go to spending programs such as infrastructure, help for the unemployed and research into renewable energy.

One tax provision would provide a $500 tax cut for most workers and $1,000 for couples, at a cost of about $140 billion to $150 billion over two years. The individual tax cuts may be awarded through withholding less from worker paychecks, effectively making checks about $10 to $20 larger each week.


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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:38 PM
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1. "sais" I thought this would be an LOLCat thread
:cry:
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:22 PM
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13. Actually "sais" is the first person singular of "to know" in French!
I just KNEW Obama was one of those French lovin' libruls...

:rofl:

Doug De Clue
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:40 PM
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2. I'm Beginning To Think He Purposely Put Up A Repub-Lite Plan So He Can Play Good/Cop/Bad/Cop
And neuter the Pubs. He'll have a substantive debate w/ his own party about why "tax cuts cure everything!" is pure idiocy and be "convinced" it's not the way.
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lordcommander Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:42 PM
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3. Bingo!!!
Edited on Fri Jan-09-09 03:46 PM by lordcommander
He is floating an tax cut idea to neutralize the repukes.
He's playing chess.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 06:35 PM
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15. Yep. He's smart. Haven't we learned that by now?!
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:42 PM
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4. Sooooo, will freezing foreclosures be in a separate bill?
they must stop the bleeding there asap! 6 mos moratorium...wasn't that the deal? where is it?
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:46 PM
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5. Its 3 months, not 6 and its still part of the plan... from change.gov...
http://change.gov/agenda/economy_agenda/

Enact a 90-day foreclosure moratorium for homeowners who are acting in good faith: Financial institutions that participate in the financial rescue plan should be required to adhere to a homeowner's code of conduct, including a 90-day foreclosure moratorium for any homeowners living in their homes who are making good faith efforts to pay their mortgages. This will help create stability until the more far-reaching solutions are implemented and give both sides a chance to work out an agreement.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 04:17 PM
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11. sorry, but 90 days isn't long enough
for anyone to get back on their feet....it should be longer. The banks would be more motivated to negotiate and be fair if they had to hold off longer. I say the BANKS should be the ones held accountable.

still, at least it is something, but I have friends who will be really in the hole and nowhere near the edge of 'normal' for quite some time. I see it in all aspects of the economy. I understand they say the credit market is frozen, but it is realy one sided. If credit were really frozen, people would have a break across the board to get rolling back to prosperity...but we are SO nowhere near that point.!!!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 04:00 PM
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10. I believe that TARP money will be used to address Home Foreclosure...
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:53 PM
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6. Will voicing criticisms in an internet forum cause the bill to fail?
What's with the "be patient"

Or what?

Why?

The constant exhortations of uncritical trust around here might make sense if there was some actual downside to skepticism.

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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:57 PM
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8. No, but common sense would dictate that this bill isn't even close to done...
As a matter of fact, its just now getting started. People hear bits and pieces of some of the ideas being tossed around and get all up on their high horse about it. If the critics would stop and think about it, its only been one day since any proposals have started to be seriously considered, yet everyone feels the need to jump the gun.

So I'm saying that Barack Obama has sent a message that there are issues and those issues will be cleared up. To expect the final product at this point is just political stupidity.

So yes, be patient. Its a virtue of maturity. The opposite however, is quite childish and naive.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:56 PM
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7. Robert Reich's blog yesterday had some good points. This recovery
is basically aimed at jobs for skilled white men. He suggested that some of the money be aimed at jobs and jobs training for people working in lower income jobs. Since most of my family will not benefit from the way it is now I would like to see this addressed.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:19 PM
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12. Isn't that where the job creation tax cuts come in?
By helping private businesses create jobs in fields that the government may not have a need for?
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 04:00 PM
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9. Keep working on it. Get it done and make it right! I like that he's
keeping us informed and hammering this thing out. This country is suffering and it's getting worse by the day!
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 06:30 PM
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14. That's what John Harwood just said to 1600.
He was specifically addressing Krugman's criticism that it wasn't large enough. He said Obama has said all along that he was going to start on the low side and grow it, as needed.

Obama is smarter than the average bear. Relax and give the man a chance to prove his himself.

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