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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 03:55 PM
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Kerry asks brilliant question re. Iraq/Afghanistan and Whorah jumps right in as HC starts to answer
Classic, but it pisses me off to no end anyway.

Kerry has done a great job with this hearing, IMO. He was proactive and protective anytime the Republicans (like Vitter) tried to stir the pot.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 03:59 PM
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1. Me, too. I so wanted to hear what she had to say. The most
important part of this hearing, and they blow it off. :grr:

I'm liking the direction Kerry is going.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 04:19 PM
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2. I'm NOT happy that Kerry is stuck towing water for Dems Israel policy - that level of spin goes
against who he has been as a lawmaker, imo. Boo. He should have let Clinton do the water carrying on her own.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 04:25 PM
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3. I missed that, as I missed Clinton's response on Afghanistan.
I thought Kerry was pro-Israel, like everyone else.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 04:33 PM
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4. Here are the two excepts.
The one about Israel is the second one. Kerry's comment is not here, but it is about the same as Hillary about Israel's right to defend itself. It obviously would be nice if Dems did not feel obliged to add this to any comment concerning Israel. However, the point Kerry was making is a point he has been making since 2005.

http://washingtonindependent.com/25413/clinton-confirmation-is-afghanipakistan-vietnam

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) takes another bite at the Afghanistan apple. He says he doesn’t want to compare anything to Vietnam, but he’s worried Afghanistan is too close a parallel: “The night often rules, with insurgencies. The complications are profound in Pakistan and Afghanistan … That is the center of the war on–” he stops himself before he says “war on terror” and replaces it with “global insurgency.” There are “inherent contradictions” in the “structure we have been trying to impose in Afghanistan” politically. (He recommends two books that I also like: Rory Stewart’s “The Places In Between,” which I read in Afghanistan,” and Dexter Filkins’ “The Forever War.”) What to do about tribalism? “We’re on the wrong track, and unless we rethink this very, very capably, we could … wind up pursuing a policy that is frankly unpursuable, unachievable.” The original goal was “to go in there and take out Al Qaeda … it was not to impose a form of government, no matter how much we believe in it and support it, but that is the mission, at least as it is being presented today.”

Clinton: “Your cautions are extremely well-taken.” She returns to the strategy review under Gen. David Petraeus, that is “criss-crossing Afghanistan, trying to determine, as I understand it, what is and isn’t feasible. We’re in close communication with Gen. Petraeus.” She says she and President-elect Barack Obama share Kerry’s concerns, and that any strategy “presupposes a set of discrete goals we are trying to achieve. That is in the process of being analyzed.”

She remembers her trips to Afghanistan — the terrain, the history, from Alexander The Great to the Soviet Union, “it calls for a large dose of humility when it comes to what we are trying to accomplish.”

Kerry urges that there be more than just the strategy reviews and raises the question of targeting Al Qaeda. “There has been a considerable blowback … in terms of the collateral damage” in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas” by U.S. attacks on terrorists. “I think we’re making some enemies,” he warns.



http://washingtonindependent.com/25418/clinton-confirmation-israelpalestine-what-to-do-if-hamas-gains-strength

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), drawing the hearing to a conclusion, remembers being with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in 2005, and hearing about how he was expected to disarm Hamas when Hamas was more capable than his Fatah Party and much of the Palestinian Authority. “We have to recognize the threat that Hamas may become more powerful than Fatah as a result” of the Gaza war, which Kerry reiterates that Israel has a right to wage. If so, what then?

Clinton reiterates that the Obama transition doesn’t want to step on the Bush administration’s efforts. “I think your point, though, is incredibly important.” Obviously, “we do support Israel’s right to defend itself … Hamas did break the ceasefire … and the rockets are still being launched.” Working to a “durable ceasefire is going to be an initial challenge.”

But that’s not the answer. “The answer is to rebuild some sense of cooperation and, dare I say, trust and confidence-building measures” between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. (Not Hamas.) She adds that it’ll be a top priority for incoming national security adviser Gen. Jim Jones.


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 05:13 PM
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9. Thanks, Mass!
:hi:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 04:34 PM
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5. I heard a much more nuanced answer than you did
It is a very complicated situation. Kerry did, as he has done before, spoke of the problem with getting a partner for peace on the Palestinian side.

The problem is that Hamas has an agenda that says that Israel has no right to exist and they did send missiles over the border. Israel's reaction is out of proportion - but everyone is pushing to get a ceasefire. Nothing Kerry said was out of line with his own positions.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 04:37 PM
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7. I understand that, but, it comes off worse when tagged with Clinton's position
which Kerry is also stuck protecting for Obama. Kerry's position on its own is far more fair and careful than Clinton's.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 04:35 PM
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6. Someone must have told Norah, that people like to hear her laugh out loud
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 04:38 PM
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8. I agree. Ole 'whore hound' Vitter won't be there long anyway.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 05:29 PM
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10. Be glad O'Dolphin didn't laugh over her
Dolphins in the audience would have interrupted (they're sitting near Code Pink) the proceedings causing a scene.
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