Obama's Inauguration the most expensive in history at 160 million. Not cool.

[debbierlus]

Sorry.

And, don't bother flaming me because I think that is disgusting in a time of depression and empty food pantry shelves. And, especially don't bother flaming me because I remember the UNITED outrage on DU of the cost of Bush's 2004 inauguration.

It is simply wrong.

Obama could have sent a real message of change; instead he beats Bush for most expensive inauguration in history.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20090114/888/twl-at-160-m-dollars-obama-s-inauguratio.html

There is no justification. And, yes, his inaugural committee raised half the money (that is still 80 million tax payer dollars for a party), he should have donated the money to food pantries.

One day. 160 million dollars. Unbelievable.

[GarbagemanLB]

1. Security and transportation for 4 million people isn't cheap. Sorry.

[debbierlus]

5. He should follow President Roosevelts example....

President Roosevelt was inaugurated for an unprecedented fourth term in office, he called for a low-key inauguration. No inaugural balls were held in his honor as a manner of resepct for America's involvement in the Second World War. Instead, a brief luncheon was held at the White House- nothing more.

We are at war in Iraq. Vets without benefits. 2 million lost jobs.

No. It is unjustifiable.

[Occam Bandage]

11. President Roosevelt didn't have four million people showing up,

which are by far the bulk of the costs.

[Connie_Corleone]

16. Many of us WANT a party to celebrate getting rid of Bush.

Also, we're inaugurating the first black president.

If you don't like it, don't watch it. Wear sackcloth and tear your hair out all day for all I care.

[earth mom]

36. So fuck all the taxpayers so YOU can have a party?!

Where the hell have I heard that before?

Oh yeah, from freepers back in '04. :puke:

[rhett o rick]

50. The money will go for security and medical. Are you suggesting we don't have an

inauguration? Or you want to limit it to a couple hundred people? What is your suggestion?

[earth mom]

52. Sure, limit it. I'm sick of the excess and the excuses for it.

:thumbsdown:

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[EmilyAnne]

158. So all the people who will descend on the capital should be told to stay home?

And they actually will?

Good grief.

[Connie_Corleone]

88. The many of us who want to celebrate are TAXPAYERS too.

And I'm sure the freepers are saying what you just wrote today.

Save your vomit for another "outrage".

[frylock]

120. just as the DUers were writing in 2004..

and as i've stated, many times over, sometimes the only difference between the two sites is the exceptional GUI here at DU.

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[anigbrowl]

178. We're not going to Washington, and donated a few bucks so we could enjoy watching one

Aren't we horrible?

[catgirl]

107. I think I found the reason here....

Dennis didn't win and all the other candidates were... well, here you go (video by OP).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x67641

[davidpdx]

209. Oh jeez

That's just fabulous. And trust me, that's one of the nicer things I can say about that video.

Here is my not so restrained reaction:

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[marshall]

131. I say "Let the Good Times Roll!"

160 million is a drop in the bucket of the national coffers, and life isn't worth living if you don't celebrate once in a while.

[AZ Criminal JD]

185. Let them eat cake

[marshall]

186. More like "east, drink, and be merry"

We'll all be dead one day. Carpe diem!

[Zynx]

22. FDR had a low key inauguration mostly because he had no strength left in him.

His inaugural address, for example, was timed for how long he could stand.

I also don't think we can compare a nearly over war in Iraq to WWII and FDR had a plenty grand inauguration during the Depression.

[Kahuna]

30. You compare Roosevelt's FOURTH inauguration to Obama's first???

:crazy:

[EmilyAnne]

159. Bizarro world.

[Freddie Stubbs]

93. Was Roosevelt trying to set an example, or just too ill too ill?

He died in April of that year?

[WI_DEM]

144. Exactly, that is the primary reason according to a new biography on FDR

I have been reading called "Traitor to his Class" plus he was leaving for Yalta in two days so he didn't want a big tado.

[WyLoochka]

129. Correction -we have never been "at war in Iraq"

"We" invaded Iraq illegally and immorally and are occupying it illegally and immorally.

When Obama gets elected to his fourth term - we'll all agree to be "low-key."

But for right now - it's party time!!!! A huge party that will have a positive economic impact on the local economy is not a waste.

[Clio the Leo]

133. And NOW I'm officially hoping.....

... that they'll burn a pile of money next Tuesday JUST to keep his little hands warm. ;)

ONE DAY, ONE FRICKIN DAY of pure, unadulterated, worry free celebration and then the work can begin. People have been waiting their entire LIVES for this ..... actually, they haven't because they never thought it would happen.

ONE DAY. Trust me, he'll more than make up for it.

[WI_DEM]

143. 1) FDR was a dying man and couldn't handle a big inaugural. 2) Did he lessen inaugural activities in

1933 at the height of the depression? NO.

[CreekDog]

164. what do you do with all those people?

has there ever been a president newly inaugurated who didn't have a parade or public event for Americans who want to witness it?

also, is your dollar amount in comparison to other inaugurations adjusted for inflation?

[Maru Kitteh]

200. When Obama has his FOURTH inauguration. .. . .. aaw fuck. .. .. . . .Welcome to ignore.

[Window]

222. If it was Obama's 4th term, I'm sure it would have been scaled down.

However, it's his first, and I might add a very historic election. So, yes, I think it's justifiable.

[LaydeeBug]

77. security is one thing, but I doubt they are paying to transport 4 million people AT ALL

Those people are footing their own transport bill. sorry.

[NYCGirl]

2. The bulk, according to the article, is for security and emergency medical services.

Perhaps you think we should tell everyone to stay home.

[DainBramaged]

29. Maybe those who express outrage should take this into consideration

but of course they won't, outrage is more fun.

[NYCGirl]

41. Yes.

Makes 'em feel "holier than thou."

[DainBramaged]

78. There's a lot of that "........ than thou" going around DU lately.

:hi:

[PVnRT]

87. You would know....

[AtomicKitten]

3. It will be cathartic, a palate-cleanser if you will, after the last eight years. n/t

[Texasgal]

4. Perhaps because this is no normal

inauguration the reason for the cost?

[bluestateguy]

6. This is a stimulus package for the DC area

That money pays for employees at hotels, park services, restaurants, the Metro, taxi cab drivers, bus drivers, tourist shops, clothing stores and caterers. In other words, working people, who are happy to have the work at a time when so many are without employment.

[delete_bush]

21. i.e., Demand vs. Supply-side Economics

Averages out to $2.39 for each voter pulling the tab for Obama, or $.30 for each year of the Chimp.

I'll gladly pay my share.

[Window]

224. Thank you, but why are you making sense?

LOL!


Peace:thumbsup:

[KittyWampus]

7. did you even investigate WHY it's expensive? No, you didn't. You just took a headline

and used it to fit your agenda.

If anyone flames you, it's because of your knee-jerk response.

[debbierlus]

15. You know what? It doesn't MATTER why it is expensive

You don't take 80 million tax dollars for a party.

You send a true message of change. You have a small ceremony and cancel the balls and give a press conference to explain that example is everything and a nation in a depression doesn't need a 160 million dollar party, it needs a return to economic responsibility, shared sacrifice, and a new perspective.

I don't friggin believe this -

Because I remember when Bush had his 'party' and DU was united in an uproar. And, now people think it is okay because it is a dem.

It isn't. It is far from okay. In fact, it is worse because we are supposed to be DIFFERENT.

[Blue_Roses]

24. how could you know the "uproar" here at DU for Bush's inaug...

you joined in 2005--right?

[Pacifist Patriot]

46. Not defending anyone in particular, but it is possible to read DU without joining.

You might want to take a different approach on this one.

[LostinVA]

80. I read it for two years before I joined

[frylock]

123. i've been here since 2001..

and i remember the "uproar."

[high density]

31. After everything that has happened under 8 Bush years, you think a small ceremony is appropriate?

This inauguration is a celebration of something DIFFERENT. Planning for millions of people does take money, and it's not like that money is being pissed into a black hole over in Iraq.

[Occam Bandage]

34. "Everyone who bought plane tickets and hotel reservations: please go back home."

"Change of plans. My acceptance speech will instead be held in the Rose Garden, and my pledge to have 'the most accessible inauguration ever' is being shifted to the least accessible. Thanks."

[EmilyAnne]

160. "And IF you don't cancel your plans immediately, you are the worst, most selfish person in the

whole world!"- Shriek the AODs as they pull out their hair and set themselves on fire.

[phleshdef]

54. So you would rather the millions descending on DC not be assured a safe secure visit?

Because with the number of people who are going to either attend or attempt to attend is going to be huge and there is nothing that can be done about stopping them from coming or trying to come. The article said that a big part of the cost was for transit and security. Its a totally justified figure considering the nature of security and logistics issues that they will be dealing with. It will also be good for the DC and surrounding areas economy.

It would be very unwise and short sighted to skimp on this and not make it run as smoothly as possible.

[EmilyAnne]

161. They're all selfish people for daring to show up at a time like this! They deserve whatever happens

to them!


:crazy:

[bluestateguy]

67. I knew somebody would be there to bitch about the cost

It was the most slam dunk of a prediction I have made in 6 years at DU.

[blueladybird]

90. Because you are able to see both sides of issues...

and in between. That's actually a good thing.

[rvablue]

202. I congratulate you in being able to identify a positive in some one else's

character that you don't happen to be displaying yourself.

If only that lying jerk who sat in the White House, and the morons who voted for him, maybe we could have avoided the last 8 years of total disaster.

Too bad. Most people just want to hold on to their small ideas backed by faulty thinking.

[cali]

69. you know what? I love, love, love your outrage and misery

don't blow a gasket. Or do. But please, stay miserable and outraged over this. It's quite amusing.

[catgirl]

82. People were outraged because Bush DIDN'T WIN

and didn't deserve any kind of party. And I don't believe you are part of the "we". Your holier than thou posts
are always disruptive.

[anigbrowl]

179. Yeah, it does actually.

[Occam Bandage]

8. So, you think he shouldn't have security and first responders?

That would be very responsible. :eyes:

[firedupdem]

9. Why does he have to be the President that goes without an inauguration

because of the depression?

[EraOfResponsibility]

10. Get over it. My city of DC needs this money

and the country needs this time to celebrate. Don't like it? Don't watch it. Go sit in a corner somewhere and sulk, while the rest of us get our party on.

[blueladybird]

44. Wow. You missed the point and sound pretty selfish on top of it.

The country needs the money not just Washington. Read the post again. It would have been an awesome statement if Obama encouraged something different.

[firedupdem]

49. From the poster who said you would tell Bush "thanks for trying"... n/t

[blueladybird]

55. The point was still missed. n/t

[firedupdem]

58. And you still show up only when the post is in some way negative

toward Obama.

[blueladybird]

74. That's your opinion.

This is not a time to be spending ridiculous amounts of money. Does it take away from the "historical" moment if we tone it down a bit? I don't think so.

[firedupdem]

76. Sure tone it down, don't have enough facilities and security etc.

for the millions that will show up. Great Idea. :eyes:

[blueladybird]

85. OMG. Is this so hard to understand?

Apparently , the only way this event will be remembered is if Beyonce shows up among others and millions who are struggling spend money, money they don't have, to stand in the cold scream and cry. Obama already knows we're in love with him. If people stay home or celebrate without major travel expenses at their neighbor's we won't need to spend money on security and medical etc. This will be a historical event whether millions show up or not.

[TTUBatfan2008]

101. So would you honestly...

be able to look a minority who is attending the inauguration in the eye and tell them that they can't go to it, that it's not "worth" the cost for them to attend? This is a huge deal. I've said it before and I'll say it again. It is one of the two most important inaugurations in history so far next to George Washington's.

[blueladybird]

112. I am a "minority".

African American to be more specific. I appreciate your concern.??? I believe many "minorities" need to acknowledge this important event while making sure mortgages, rent, bills savings account etc. are taken care of. We can celebrate without spending too much. It's what "we" and every body does now and after the innauguration that matters. If the United States or Obama didn't exist, "we" would still have reasons to live BTW.

[TTUBatfan2008]

113. It's far bigger than Obama...

EDIT: Oops, misread your post. Thought it said United States of Obama instead of "or."

[MadBadger]

114. You have no idea of the financial standing of those attending.

So I suggest you either find out that information from the millions attending, or you lay the fuck off.

[blueladybird]

138. You don't know either.

Nice language. Does nothing for me.:boring:

[Window]

225. No shit. People are going because they WANT to attend this historic inauguration.

If people can't AFFORD to go, I'm sure they won't. I can't believe some of the whining going on around here about damned near everything.

[jenmito]

139. You're also a Bush defender...

"It's not an easy job. Thanks for trying.

Sorry, these are real classy responses."
----------------------------------------
"I only hope Obama does well because you'll be damning his efforts too if he doesn't.

Geez."
----------------------------------------

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8081982#8082120

And nearly all of your other posts are negative towards Obama. :eyes:

[blueladybird]

142. That's unfair of you.

Actually they are cautiously optimistic. It's dangerous if everything you say about a politician is blanketly all good. When you're in love your vision is a little clouded. I have said many positive things about Obama. Why don't you quote some of those.

[jenmito]

148. No it's not. I searched your posts and I didn't see ONE positive one. And I also didn't see

any criticism of Bush. Who's "in love" with Obama? He deserves praise when appropriate and criticism when appropriate. You criticize him. Your MO here is obvious.`

[blueladybird]

150. Can you name one thing that you don't like about Obama.

If so. I give you credit. Not impressed by your hostility. My MO is I'm very happy but I'll be watching. Simple as that. Bush lied to us about weapons of mass destruction. I still think HE thought he was doing the right thing. He turned out to be wrong.

[jenmito]

151. I don't like that he says marriage is between one man and one woman.

There. I am not impressed with your hostility of all things Obama and your defense of all things Bush. And other posters see it, too.

If you think Bush lied about WMD, how could you possibly think he thought he was doing the right thing? Makes no sense-especially since your past posts defend him.

[blueladybird]

152. This is a free country last time I checked.

Fact, I believe he lied about weapons of mass destruction. Whether YOU believe me or not. Surprise, I'm not a fan of George Bush but I don't believe everything he did was wrong. I couldn't care less about other posters who think they know me. I'm sure I have some supporters too. I could easily have disagreements with you but be civil and on your side with many issues. So, enough with the uncalled for language and just agree to disagree. We're all Americans in the end and we want the best for this country, right?

[jenmito]

154. Yes it is. And you criticize Obama EVERY time I check. You also defend Bush every time

I check. You have several posts on this thread alone that speak volumes about you. :shrug:

[blueladybird]

156. You know what...

Goodluck with yourself.;-) I will continue to post questions and seek the thoughts of others regarding things that interest or bother me. If you need to ignore me, I'll understand.

[jenmito]

172. I don't need to ignore you and I won't...

I will continue to watch you defend Bush and criticize Obama until you're finally "discovered" by the moderators. ;)

[jenmito]

157. I just caught this:

In another post you said, "Obama already knows we're in love with him." In THIS post you say, "When you're in love your vision is a little clouded." Hmmm...

[blueladybird]

163. And your point?

I find that if you praise and criticize Barack, Good God! It's like you're the most idiotic person in the room. It's all or nothing for some people. The love comparison is just my attempt to make my point.

[jenmito]

170. Isn't it obvious?

You said contradictory things. First you claim "Obama already knows we're in love with him" and then you say, "When you're in love your vision is a little clouded" and you were talking about ME and others that you felt were NOT "seeing him clearly." :eyes:

[Hekate]

242. Well, it's true that you're a minority opinion at DU, & the vulgarity of our language offends thee

So all I can say, blueladybird, is enjoy your stay.

Hekate

[EraOfResponsibility]

109. Stand in the cold scream and cry?? HAHAHAHAHA

methinks you're projecting your own experiences onto others. Sorry, but the people want to come, and they wouldn't appreciate being told that they can't come.

[blueladybird]

116. This thread is not about wanting to go, it's about the amount being spent.

What am I projecting? You're missing the point. Was my post that funny? :shrug:

[firedupdem]

115. beyonce, standing in the cold screaming and crying....

you are so transparent. I'll really be glad when you finally officially "out" yourself. You drop the buzz words really well. And stop saying you're a minority when this minority knows you're full of shit. You're on ignore now....buzz the fuck off.

by the way: I hope you get the chance to tell Bush yourself "thanks for trying". When you posted that shit I knew without a doubt who you are.

[blueladybird]

124. Ignore?? If you can't handle the heat...

What "minority" group out of pure curiosity? Your language is very foreign to me. I still believe Obama is spending too much and encouraging excessive spending. I will be watching from my living room.

[AspenRose]

128. +1

They think we're stupid

[namahage]

117. Seems like some people want to tone it ALLL the way done

to a small, private party, closed to the public.

Then you'd get the bitching that only "insiders" were getting to be part of a "historic" inauguration.

I guess for people who have no stake in it either way (they didn't take time off of work, make travel plans, or their businesses won't get a boost from the additional influx of visitors here not just for the 20th, but most likely for the week) feel comfortable about tut-tutting the cost of a party that they don't plan to attend anyway.

[wndycty]

12. The majority of the cost is not extravagance. . .

. . .its cost of security, logistics and transportation and I believe that is an important distinction.

[davsand]

13. What if you adjust it to dollar values 8 years ago--before dubya hosed the economy?

Inaugural Potluck, anyone?


:shrug:



Laura

[Jackpine Radical]

14. I'm with you, Debbie.

In the grand scheme of things, $160 mil isn't much: about 50 cents from every American. But as a gesture, it could have been priceless. 16 million hungry people could have gotten $10 worth of food each.

There would surely have been some ways to cut down the scale of the event, and to let its stark simplicityset the tone for the sacrifices we are all going to have to make in the coming years.

[debbierlus]

17. Thank you.

And, if you took 160 million dollars and gave it to the neediest people (not everyone needs a 10 food gift certificate), it could have fed many for the rest of the winter.

[high density]

40. That's unfair; You could put welfare in front of any expense and say "But what about the childen?!"

...NASA, the arts, schools, defense, whatever. The federal government spends hundreds of billions on issues before help for hungry people ever enters into the equation, and then it's left up to churches and communities. I think spending money to have a celebration for the inauguration of our new president is a worthwhile use of the money. This money will go to real people in the DC area whether it be the people working security detail, sound guys, portapotty trucks, etc.

[Jackpine Radical]

119. I'm not gonna get all incensed over it, but

I think it was something of a missed opportunity for a grand gesture. I'm certainly not saying that food for the needy is the only or the best use for Treasury money. We need to do a lot of other tings too. But this is a time when we need to recognize that there is a lot of hunger going around, and it might be a really good idea to scale back on the party expenses.

Sure, you can find a million examples of wasteful spending, or even useful spending that sounds wasteful, to throw at me, but that's not the point of my post. I don't for an instant think that the $160 mil will make a concrete difference, but I would like to see Obama doing smart & meaningful symbolic things.

[TTUBatfan2008]

18. It's an interesting situation...

The nation's first minority President is asked to sacrifice his celebration because of the shitty leadership of the last 50 years, which was...ahem...by a bunch of white guys who had extravagant inaugurations in their own right. I do agree that it is over the top to be spending that much money. I tend to think a low key celebration would have been best, but it's difficult to tell all those people, "Don't show up" when it's such a historical event.

[stray cat]

19. alot of the cost is because people are allowed to attend - should it be more restrictive

to make it cheaper. I would be in favor of just family and close friends myself

[Shiver]

134. So the nation should not be invited to personally witness the innauguration

of the nation's next president?

[ClarkUSA]

20. People like little ol' me contributed to pay for it so what's your beef? He's not accepting big $$.

Unlike all other post-modern presidents before him, he's not accepting federal lobbyist money and limiting contributions
to $50K (versus Bush II's $250K, for example).

[Zynx]

23. I would have been pissed if I had found out this was for inaugural balls.

The ceremony itself, I'm not that pissed about. Also, this is really small potatoes budget-wise. There are many other things our government has blown money on that are far worse than this.

[TTUBatfan2008]

25. Such as the $350 billion financial bailout...

and then the second $350 billion bailout that's about to happen. Money down the tubes and nobody knows where the hell it went.

[Zynx]

35. We do have shares in these banks that are worth something.

The preferred stock has defined value. As for controls, Obama is pushing for greater controls and so is Congress. I still maintain to this day that the only problem with TARP has been Paulson's oversight of it.

[TTUBatfan2008]

37. I think the whole thing sucks...

Corporate welfare. I'm still not sure why Obama is supporting the second part of it.

[Zynx]

43. The second half of TARP has some creative proposals for its deployment.

TARP did have an impact on loosening credit conditions as evidenced by declining credit spreads. Loans aren't being made at a desirable rate, but that could be because banks are building up their loan loss reserves in anticipation of many more defaults. The bonuses they've paid out are crimes since these companies are not in the condition to being paying any bonuses and the executives are not worthy of them.

Also, I guarantee you that with no federal intervention at all or Federal Reserve actions that people who criticize the interventions now would have said, "Why didn't the government do anything?". That said, the Fed has had more to do with things not completely falling apart than Treasury. At least no one has lost their deposits.

[Milo_Bloom]

26. It's why I don't watch these things and won't watch this one.

It is an absolute waste of money.

[Kahuna]

27. I think it's worth it to celebrate a monumental turning point in American history.

A lot of people want to celebrate this achievement. You're entitled to feel any way you wish. But you are not entitled to make that decision for me and the millions like me who want to forget about the daunting challenges for one day and simply celebrate.

[stuntcat]

118. that's..

that's what I feel about it, it is The moment.. next to November 4th 2008, January 20th will be the 2nd greatest thing I've seen out of the human race in my entire life. I am NOT one for ceremonies, and I hate traditions, but I almost need to witness the whole world watching Obama sworn in.. as our president!
Money is wasted everywhere everyday in America.. if we'd all start taking trains instead of driving tanks then we'd save enough money and fuel to help the entire world. I'm self-rightiouser than ANYONE though so I won't get started! I do hate the waste created by the inauguration, but the day will be wonderful for me anyway.

[elocs]

28. It's a huge leap in logic to believe that $160 million would be spent to help the needy

rather than spent on an historic inauguration of a man who brings hope to millions and hope is priceless.

How about until this recession/depression is over that we have all members of DU forgo any kind of personal entertainment or celebration and instead give all of the money that would have been spent on those things to the poor and needy? We could all wear plain and inexpensive clothes and give the money saved to the needy. Cancel birthdays and Christmas for the kids because it would be unseemly to celebrate during these hard times. Live somber and depressing lives because that would help the needy ever so much. Pretty much the same difference.

[debbierlus]

60. Many families did cancel Christmas - they didn't have jobs

And, many kids aren't having very happy birthdays.

It is what happens in rough financial times. It is called sacrifice.

The fact I have to argue this so heay on DU is just bizarre.

[elocs]

64. How is a price tag put on the hope that Obama has given to the people of this nation?

I see nothing pretentious about this historic inauguration and I don't think that the needy in this nation would begrudge all of its citizens this celebration. Frankly I think that it is your argument itself that is a little bizarre.

[catgirl]

84. No money = canceling holidays?

Um, how about just enjoying each other's company? You have to spend money and have
store bought gifts to have Christmas or a b-day? You are contradicting yourself here
(once again).

Has it occurred to you that some people make gifts? Sheesh.

[starroute]

105. Try telling your own kids you're cancelling their birthdays because ...

... the poor families across town can't afford birthday parties and therefore nobody has a right to them.

No -- that isn't the way it works. Pointless self-denial for the sake of looking serious and concerned is not sacrifice. Real sacrifice means sharing with those who have less, not just depriving yourself to no particular purpose.

In fact, precisely that sort of generosity is already a part of the inauguration -- Martin Luther King Day is to be a day of community service. (http://www.mlkday.gov/) "The President-elect will participate in community service on King Day and is asking Americans to serve on the holiday and make an ongoing commitment to service."

So -- what service are you prepared to offer?

[mopinko]

32. we the people intend to peaceably assemble in our capital, on our mall

to watch the peaceful change for which many of us worked our asses off. if you do not think that this is our right under the constitution, you are free to lobby for the repeal of the 1st amendment.
in the meantime, i think that portajohns and security for the guy are a good idea. some remote audio and video might be wise to prevent a crush into those few spots where anyone can actually see.
it's not some frivolous party. it is the most important ritual in our entire democracy.
get over it.

[Hekate]

241. Mopinko, a most excellent reply in a really screwy thread. I have protested in DC & truly wish...

... that I could be present for this joyous occasion. I already know what it feels like to be with a million citizens crying out for justice -- how awesome to be among several millions shouting a great hosanna for this turning point in our history.

And oh yeah, the park service or whoever made sure we had plenty of portapotties ($) for those protest marches, and the cops ($) closed off the streets ($) and directed traffic, and on and on. It all costs money.

Hekate

[earth mom]

33. Agree with you 100%!

:grr:

[Balderdash]

38. Sorry but this isn't just any Inauguration

First Black President following the worse President in our history
and 4 million people showing up in the Capital.

[phleshdef]

39. According to the article, DC and sur. areas started allocating costs before there was even a nominee

The money was all ready either being requested, raised or allocated. So a good deal of it was going to be spent on the inauguration regardless.

I don't see why it matters, the money is going right back into the transit and security agencies that service the very tax payers of the DC and surrounding areas that are paying for them.

[phleshdef]

42. Oh yea, and this is the first inauguration since 9/11. Ofcourse they should invest in heavy security

I suppose you would rather them not spend the money, have all these people come in for the inauguration and then have a security NIGHTMARE on their hands.

This inauguration is going to attract a lot of people and they can't exactly try to shut them all out. And even if they did, they would probably have to spend just as much money to exercise that kind of massive crowd control.

You need to get real here. This is silly.

[TTUBatfan2008]

45. Second inauguration since 9/11...

Bush's second term in January 2005.

[phleshdef]

51. I didn't even realize re-elected presidents has another inauguration till now but yea you are right.

Regardless, there is going to be a record number of people going to DC. There is nothing that can be done to prevent these huge crowds from at least trying to get in. Its going to take a lot of money to make sure everyone is safe and kosher. I can totally see the expense justified.

[TTUBatfan2008]

56. Yes...

the notion that one of the most historic inaugurations ever (think about it...232 year old country and this is the first minority President) wouldn't have a bunch of people showing up to witness it is a pretty silly notion. And it's down right wrong to tell his supporters not to show up. I remember reading about an old black lady who was coming with her nurse from her nursing home in Cleveland because it means that much to her.

[phleshdef]

62. Right. And all it takes is one lack of oversight to allow for a bomb to go off. Lives > $$$

[blueladybird]

47. You are 100% right period

[rhett o rick]

48. I suspect your progressive quotient is near zero. First, we have to prepare for the hordes that are...

going to show up. How would you stop that? Armed guards? Third, the money will go to small businesses and wages. Curious do you support the Iraq war or the bank bailouts? Just trying to establish where you are coming from.

[debbierlus]

57. Unbelievable. You question whether I am a progressive because I don't support this financial waste

?

If I responded by how pissed I am by this comment, I would be tombstoned.

The Iraq war - I protested in the streets, engaged in letter writing campaigns, and spoke out from the beginning.

The bank bailouts - I called Obama's office and pleaded with him to speak out against this blatant theft while he had the whole nation behind him against it. Don't get me started on that one. Now, the money has all been stolen, as we knew it would be.

This is absolutely surreal. The fact that I think this type of spending is excessive and gross in this time of depression and mass deficits is grounds for calling into question the whole foundation of my belief and history of activism is surreal.

Especially on DU...

You are so out of line, it isn't funny.

If this post was about a Bush inauguration - it would be at the top of the front page.

[rhett o rick]

175. I appoligize for questioning your "open mindedness". It is the tone I got from your post. Doesn't

seem to me that you are interested in hearing both sides. Again, I do apologize.

[Pacifist Patriot]

53. My concern isn't the amount, but for what the money is being spent.

I'll happily pay any amount to guarantee the security of the Obamas and everyone in attendance. I have no problem with a large amount of money spent to make the event as acccessible and comfortable as possible for as many people as practical.

I do object to huge amounts of money paying for luxury expenses that will benefit the few who happen to be insanely wealthy. I do not know how the money is being allocated so I honestly do not know how outraged I should be.

[RoseMead]

59. Attendance at this historic event is going to be the biggest in history, too

and if the money is mainly going for security and emergency services, I can live with that.

BTW, if you've never read it, try to find a copy of "Sleepwalking Through History." It's a good book about the Reagan years. There's a whole section comparing the cost of Carter's inauguration to the price tag for Reagan's first inauguration, and explaining how the money was used in each case. Reagan's Big Party - now, that was some true extravagance!

[Name removed]

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[Froward69]

63. NEO cons

all over this. already...

http://denver.craigslist.org/rnr/992627421.html

[Jennicut]

66. Well maybe if they hadn't spent us into a hole Obama could have

a normal inauguration like every other president before him and it would not be a big deal. He can't help it if he is popular.

[Froward69]

94. Agreed

It is really just tit for tat. as the Freepers are acting just as we did in 2000 & 2004.

same old same old just different years, outcomes and positions.

[akbacchus_BC]

145. Dems had a right to be angry and pissed in 2000 and 2004 ...

actually the world was also pissed off more in 2004. Bush did not win in either election and if I were around in 2004, I too would have protested the cost. Protecting the incoming President, his family and Americans who will be at the inauguration is a necessity.

This is a historic moment for the people of the US and the country as a whole, and for citizens of the world.

Let the celebrations begin, I am taking the day off to see it on TV.

[Jennicut]

65. I don't see a problem with it

DC will get some stimulus. Its one of the most ignored cities in the United States considering its the nation's capitol. I like that Obama is making it very accessible and lots of people will show up. I think its unfair that Shrub could have his but because he screwed up Obama has to have a paltry celebration. Plus, most of this money is for security which even is a small event were held would still cost quite a bit of change. I do think there are some here who are dissatisfied with Obama no matter what he does. Sorry he is not "progressive" enough but to me this is not money down the drain to banks-this is money that will be used in the community.

[firedupdem]

68. There is no problem with it unless you are looking and have been

looking for a problem the entire time. Some criticize what they think is an issue but when you have a problem with everything, something else is going on. For some, Obama will never do anything right.

[Jennicut]

71. I agree

Some look for problems every day about him. He can do no right for these people. Its not just legitimate criticism, of which I have a few things here and there about Obama I could criticize. Its utter dislike and contempt. I sense a shift away from the Dem party to a third party for some, not that there is anything wrong with that.

[Beacool]

70. It's historical and I guess that's what people want.

His campaign also raised the most money of anyone in history. The country is in the crapper, but we spent more than a billion dollars (between Hillary and Obama alone) in campaigns. We are now spending a fortune on what basically can be summed up as a big one day orgy of a party.

Heck, laissez les bons temps rouler.........

:eyes:

[TheKentuckian]

72. I understand the sentiment but I think this will do far more good than ill

No question that the money will have quite a return to the local economy in D.C. and probably less question that the people of our nation and probably the world need this. Big events like this cost money but they make more than they cost. There are actual problems and it would probably be wiser to not burn up the energy in fighting this particular windmill at all.

The OP's heart seems to be in the right place but the view seems compartmentalized and unrealistic to me.

[madwivoter]

73. The justification: history

And whether they allocate resources for it or not, people will show up. So either they don't plan and people show up anyway and there are no facilities, medical stations,etc. - or they properly plan :shrug: - damned if you do and damned if you don't.

[LaydeeBug]

75. There *IS* justification for this, and I am HARDLY an Obama can-do-no-wrong type

First off, that he is our first black president warrants heightened security. I'm not tryna sound racist, but that is REALITY in this day and age, esp when you factor in the freeps. Secondly, this is supposed to be the BIGGEST inaugural in history. There is not even enough room in DC for the buses that they KNOW are on their way.

Sure Bush's 2004 inaugural may have been lavish, but this is BIGGER. So I guess it can be summed up in three words:

volume, volume, volume.

:hi:

[Aloha Spirit]

79. Oh Em Gee--- 2005 Inauguration celebrity performance was by Meatloaf... haha.

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/16/opinion/op-spending16

I partly agree with the poster that the Inauguration could be less extravagant, but think that the original post was written to be more of a taunt, or just very provocative, whereas it would have been really easy to present the same information in a more respectful and thoughtful way that invites dialogue.

That being said, I was just researching Inauguration costs to see what percent of costs past presidents have paid when I read that MEATLOAF was the celebrity performer lined up for 2005... classic.

If that doesn't call for change....

[Jennicut]

81. You mean you don't want to hear Paradise by the Dashboard Light?

Or Two out of Three Ain't Bad, or I'll do Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That)? Sorry, my husband is a Meatloaf fan and has all the piano music for the songs. LOL

[Aloha Spirit]

86. No I don't, because Meatloaf gives me abdominal cramps

from rolling around on the floor laughing/crying.

But they are dramatic, I'll give you that... in that Phantom of the Opera sort of way!

edit--that's awesome that your husband has that sheet music! The music is good, it's just something about the old Meatloafer that I can't take seriously...

[Jennicut]

92. My hubby is a musician so he plays everything

he gets his hands on from Peanuts music (our daughters love it) to Meatloaf, to even Phatom of the Opera and Guns N Roses. He has piles of sheet music. He has his own band that he plays keyboards in. I will allow him liking Meatloaf as long as he thinks Shrub is an idiot and Obama will be a good president. He approved of my voting for Obama though he is not even registered to vote. He has never been interested in anything political but maybe I can change him. At least we live in blue CT.

[Avalux]

83. Different post, same sentiment.

I'd probably pass out if you posted something nice about Obama. If you have, I missed it and my apologies.

[PresidentObama]

89. Inaugurations are expensive for various reasons, and he raised half.

In other news, do you EVER post anything positive about Obama?

[otohara]

91. Here's The Donation Page

knock your self out - save a tax payer a dollar or two.
https://donate.pic2009.org/page/contribute

I can't wait until Tuesday - I plan to watch all day & into the night as we welcome our new President & Vice President and bid farewell to the current criminals.

I hope there are no major problems considering the size of crowds they are expecting and the extra money it's taking to fund security is well spent.

Keep everybody safe on this historic day in America.

[NYC_SKP]

95. Where can I send my check to you to cover your share of the cost, $2.00?

Or are you speaking for everyone, which would be a little harder for me?

[blueladybird]

102. It's deeper than that.

What about the cost that people will be spending to travel when they should be paying their mortage or rent etc. in this suffering economy. will you cover someone's mortgage? Celebrate at home. Take it all in . Get motivated but don't go into further debt.

[MadBadger]

103. Wow, Thanks Mommy for looking out for all us Dumb Americans.

Weeza Don know ha to Spen Monay ba Areselves!

[rvablue]

201. You dumb Americans are going to be in much better shape with Obama at the helm

rather than the lying, stupid Shrub mucking things up.

[snooper2]

110. rofl

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

[NYC_SKP]

111. I think it would be an inspired plan to re-think the whole deal as you describe.

It certainly would be consistent with Obama's hi-tech campaign, and his message of sustainability.

For this first inauguration, however, he'd be broadly criticized by not only the media and the right, but he'd disappoint a large number of people who are stuck on the tradition.

So, maybe for 2012?

[Renew Deal]

125. I'll gladly pay to travel to DC

American Express can use the money anyway. :silly:

[Pacifist Patriot]

137. Okay, I've seen some silly stuff around here, but this one is a whopper.

Do you really think someone worrying about paying the mortgage is going to get a wild hair to up and travel to the inauguration? If you do, I've got some oceanfront property in Kansas I'd love to unload on you.

By the way, that's just an expression. I would never actually take advantage of someone's stupidity for financial gain.

[akbacchus_BC]

149. I thought I have seen it all .... What?

Thanks mommy dearest, but unlike you, I am sure Americans know their priorities and how to spend their earnings.

What a stupid response!!!! Why don't you run over to the White House, Bush will be leaving soon, and "thank Bush for trying ...". Tell him I say he did not 'try', he callously frigged everything up.

[Milo_Bloom]

96. You are 10000% correct.

[akbacchus_BC]

188. Bull Shit! Guess the first Black President should not be equal to any

former President's! He should just go to the back of the fucking bus. Not now, not ever again!

This is a historic event and all Americans who voted for PE Obama does not count according to you.

This Bull shit has got to stop. Cannot wait for the celebrations.

Not because he is Black, I am celebrating. I am Indian from the West Indies, the Blacks there went through slavery and the Indians went through a quasi slavery. Go read a fucking book about gibbeting a slave.

I am happy as a lark for my fellow Americans who voted for change. Now they do not have to slap a Canada pin to their backpacks but you can go crawl under a table if you are not interested in the celebrations to inaugurate the next best President.

Wish I could sing but lemme find that rick roll link!

[Milo_Bloom]

234. No president should have idiotic wasteful pageantry

Especially the one who promised change and is taking over during the worst recession since the great depression.

But go ahead, make it about race, because that is exactly why people are complaining.

Maybe he should only have half an inauguration because after all, he is only half black?

[Celeborn Skywalker]

98. I don't have a problem with my tax money going to it.

Not one little bit.

[phleshdef]

99. So deb, you going to respond to my thread that illustrates total justification for this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8087968

Or are you going to forsake reason and common sense for the chance to continue to complain about a non-issue?

[jackpan1260]

100. You are 0% correct. nt

[Uzybone]

106. The first minority president

and he is the one who has to tone down his inaugural because people are hungry. As if people were fat and happy throughout this country's entire history.

Its obvious to me why nothing Obama does will ever be acceptable to some.

[Demi_Babe]

108. Oh for the love of God...you must not understand the complexities of this inauguration

[shellgame26]

217. nor the complexities of economics

Inauguration day will be a boon for DC.

[Renew Deal]

121. T

[zulchzulu]

122. Handwringing...

Security and providing transportation for what will be an incredibly huge event costs money. Lots of money.

People want to be part of history (including me) and you have to factor in how the article you linked illustrates how such a huge event costs money.

In Utopia, it would be blissfully free and cream-colored daisies would blossom tenderly and the spring breeze would caress our perfect bodies with utter joy and all the World's woes would fade like a dream... a soft, sweet dream... ah...

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth... huge events that demand lots of security and safety measures for a couple million people as well as facilities and staff to manage the whole thing cost money. Oh well... what do we cut back on? Security? Traffic management? Transportation? The ability to be able to watch the event?

[RollWithIt]

126. Yawn, you don't like, most want a big party... bout time we celebrated something...

And btw, maybe if you took the time to research the security needs your post wouldn't seem so stupid.

[geek tragedy]

127. The chronic bedwetting whiner brigade is out in full force.

Security costs money. Unless you want Obama to get shot or people to get hit with a KKK terrorist attack, you're whining from a position of ignorance.

Then again, all you do here is whine and bitch about Obama. You've never shown as much stomach for taking on Republicans as you do for whining about Obama.

Cram it.

[davidpdx]

212. It appears there are three or four posters that are having a slow

meltdown of sorts. Most of these are long term people, which is too bad because it would be nice if they would stick around. This hit and run negative crap has to stop (which is exactly what the OP has done). It appears she has a grudge to carry out and she's taking it all the way to the edge of the cliff. One doesn't need to guess to hard where this is headed.

[Drunken Irishman]

130. Do you even know your history or do you just like playing ignorant?

Firstly, why compare FDR's FOURTH inauguration to Obama's FIRST? That doesn't make any sense.

Secondly, do you even know why Roosevelt's inauguration was so low key in 1945? Because he was dying. The man couldn't stand and give a lengthy speech, so it was simple to accommodate a dying president.

Why not compare FDR's FIRST with Obama's FIRST? Roosevelt had a huge, upbeat inauguration because of the fear that had gripped America.

Stop comparing apples and oranges, please.

[crimsonblue]

132. Give me a break..

Dramatic much?

[Skidmore]

135. Is there anything about this man or associated with him that you approve of?

Or are you just plain not liking the election outcome?

[Lucky 13]

136. Hasn't he RAISED a lot of money to pay for this?

Did the other Presidents?

Here's the thing. Millions of people were going to descend on DC for this event.... whether there was a big inauguration party or not. It was going to cost more just for security, facilities, etc.

This is a big moment in history. Perhaps the biggest in my lifetime. It's a moment for the nation to celebrate together. That money is being pumped straight into the DC economy... so how is this the horrific thing you are trying to make it out to be?

This is just the poutrage du jour and it's getting insanely old.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

140. It's totally unfuckingcool and I don't care how the Obamatons here...

try to spin it! Though I voted for him I kept my expectations
firmly in check. I just didn't expect them to go this low this fast.
----------------------------------

"The two real political parties in America are the Winners and the Losers. The people don't acknowledge this. They claim membership in two imaginary parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, instead."
--Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

[TZ]

146. so its okay for you

for the city of DC to be tied in knots with no security for 4 million people. RIIIGHT.
You know what? DC has NEVER seen as many people as are coming for this event so OF COURSE ITS GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE. How about you sit in a 10 hr traffic jam on the beltway....
Christ you would think they are buying gold plates or something. You have NO IDEA what this area is bracing for or how difficult demanding and expensive it is to get ready for it.
What should Obama do..say sorry..I don't want ANY of you coming to see me! Only the elite!
It has more to do with MORE people wanting to see a historic event than anything else but hey, lets not let THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED HIM celebrate right?

[geek tragedy]

193. That poster just likes to insult people who supported Obama

in the primaries. Still nursing bruised feelings.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

205. I AM ONE WHO HELPED ELECT HIM! GOT IT?

I AM ONE WHO HELPED ELECT HIM!
(repeated for the slow learners)

Obama could have taken the high road by choosing a simple non-ceremony, he didn't
and that is disapointing.

[geek tragedy]

189. Go suck on your thumb, junior.

And calling people with common sense "Obamatons" doesn't help your case.

[Political Tiger]

210. Anyone who uses the word "Obamatons"

and other right-wing talking points is obviously still in primary mode and obviously more interested engaging in a misguided personal agenda of vindictiveness than helping the country to move forward.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

237. I use "Obamatons" as descriptive of the "My country right or wrong" crowd.

Republicans or Democrats are fair game.
"Forward" is not a concept they are familiar with!

[Generator]

141. That's the price of love

I think America is dying to be in love with their president again. In love with being American again. So there you go! When in love, when relieved the nightmare is over, the champagne and partying flows. I understand it. BUT of course, the economic thing is a huge factor. So is it morally right? I'm torn. You only live once. It's almost a miracle we are still here-I mean how close were we to that war with Iran? To Bush/Cheney and one more terror attack and marital law? We survived.

It's 1999 all over again.
:party:

[NYC Liberal]

147. 4 million people are showing up whether you want them to or not.

I guess your suggestion would be to cut security and emergency medical personnel.

Because you can't stop people from showing up. The money is dependent on how many are coming - not the other way around.

[mwei924]

153. It's not his fault 4 million people want to show up.

I guess the better thing to do would be to allow 4 million people to come but not provide for their security?

[lynne]

155. So . . . I'm not the only one who thinks its "not cool" -

- especially in this horrific economy and on the heels of the bailouts. If $160M can be spent on an event - no matter how historic or where the money came from - then I'm inclined to think that the economy can't be as bad as they've been telling us.

Not to mention that a severe cold snap or a snow storm could cancel the entire inauguration as occurred during the 1980's and all of the money would be wasted. Seems like a huge gamble with money that could have been put to much better use given our economy right now.

[zulchzulu]

167. People are going to be there... should we endanger their safety like with Katrina?

I'm going to be there. Up to 4 million people will be too. That's a lot of security, lots of traffic control, lots of medical care, lots of logistics to have people who know what they are doing to do what they do.

Should we cancel the Inauguration? Tell people who have reserved hotels to eat the cost?

It costs money for huge events with a lot of people, traffic and having to control the situation. This ain't Aunt Ethel's birthday party...

[akbacchus_BC]

194. Nice post. You very well know that this person did not give a

rat's ass about the people when Katrina happened.

Am not asking for the person to be TS, but this person is full of shit and borderline subtle!

Waiting for the celebrations to begin, taking the day off and will celebrate with you all via TV.

[CreekDog]

162. is this well thought out?

(seems like) you kind of just read a few paragraphs and post whatever pops into your head.

that said, this would be more convincing had you suggested what specifically they should cut back on to reduce the $160M figure.

[Joe the Revelator]

165. I nominate the OP for a Duzy, cause this has to be a joke.

[BootinUp]

166. Its a huge day for the country, for history, why don't you get with the program nt.

[Condem]

168. For all you naysayers, do us a favor.

Don't watch one fucking second of it, or share your opinion of the momentous day with us, here. Please.

[dendrobium]

169. Who does this Obama guy think he is!

Outrageous! This guy is acting like he is the first black man elected President or something! No one is going to want to see this uppity negro defile the nice White House! What are all these people celebrating anyway? The mere fact that Bush is leaving finally? So what if four million people are coming!
:eyes:

Good God! Can't we finally have a day of celebration for a great thing that has happened! Can't we just have one day of happiness? Can't some people just let go the bitterness?

[Clear Blue Sky]

171. I agree. It sends the wrong message during tough economic times.

[K Gardner]

173. Wonder what you'll be complaining about tomorrow. n/t

[treestar]

174. Inflation - each one is probably the most expensive so far

They expect more people than usual at this one, too.

[debbierlus]

176. I am on a different page then most of you.

But, I am not a secret troll, neo-con, or Republican.

I am a person who has deep problems with the way this country spends its money.

The inauguration, is largely, a party for the wealthy. The majority of the people can't afford the transportation costs or the time off work. Tickets are scalping according to some reports over 20,000 thousand dollars. The vast majority of people will watch this on tv.

Given the current state of finances in the current, the number of people without employment, and the general state of depression, I think a modest inauguration broadcast on tv would have been much more appropriate. I think it would have sent a much more profound and indepth message then a big party.

Apparently, the American people want this party by the response to this post.

[Condem]

181. Appreciate you sticking it out, debbierlus

Most would have vanished by now. We are a country of extreme excess. Take the Super Bowl. One day. How much? If the Inauguration instills a little confidence in this down-trodden nation what's wrong with that? After the last eight years we need a jolt. I believe, though, the wealthy will get the good seats there will be plenty of average Americans there, also.

[leftstreet]

182. I think a lot of people secretly agree with you

That's why they get so defensive

:smoke:

[geek tragedy]

191. God are you pig ignorant.

It is not the rich and famous who will be traveling to DC to witness this event. They will be doing so in private balls and galas.

Jeebus, just admit that you're addicted to whining about Obama. You can't solve your problems until you admit you have a problem.

[CreekDog]

215. Most of the 4 million to line the parade routes are rich?

well that's news to me.

i'll bet you made that up, 100%.

i'll bet you spent 2 minutes reading that article before your post.

i'll bet you offered nothing to refute the cost and don't even know if the cost is adjusted for inflation.

[zulchzulu]

220. People who want to witness history aren't as pure and smart as the OP

We people who are going to the Inauguration can't see how craven and ostentatious we are. We will stand in the cold waiting for the speeches and then the Parade because we are EVIL. We have MONEY. We LIKE Obama.

Shame on us! Scoundrels, one and all! We made plans! We took time off! We should be so ashamed!

Perhaps we shouldn't go. Let's cut off the services to handle the crowds. This would make those of Utter Utopian Purity see that we were WRONG! EVIL! SINFUL! GREEDY! Hell, I'll say... we're homophobes too. What the heck...

:puke:

[JimGinPA]

177. Mountain Lion, Cougar, Catamount, Painter, Panther, Mountain Screamer...

Just another name for a PUMA.

[Politicub]

180. I disagree with you - it's very cool

and befitting of the celebration and ceremony that we are hungry for after eight long years of Bush rule. I wouldn't have complained if it is going to cost a billion.

This is a historic election, and befitting a man who I predict will go down in history as one of the greatest American presidents.

[quakerboy]

183. Do you really believe

That thousands upon thousands would not have shown up to this historic and hopefully cathartic event, Invited or not, planned or not? If Obama had turned every dollar of this to food pantries as you suggest, do you think that would do anything except double the cost? The security and planning are needed. And doing as a response to the problems as a result of not pre-planning would not make the event cheaper. Quite the opposite. Because whether you think they should, and whether the area is prepaired, the people were coming.

At the same time, in its own way this is stimulus. Better that the money be spent on things that directly employ people and an event that will symbolize hope and new beginnings to many, than thrown to a Bank or tossed down the IraqHole.

Flames are not needed. I understand the frustration. But you are wrong. Obama did not make this the big event. The people who are going there are making it the big event. And Obama has to deal with that reality as well as the reality of hunger in the country he will lead.

[lonestarnot]

184. blah blah blah.... blah blah blah blah blah.

[boppers]

203. blah?

blah blah, blah blah blah?

[blues90]

187. I agree with you . How can Obama set an example he wants

the people to follow and then put on such a big show. Even his ordeal in Denver was way out there. This is not to say the state of this counrty is Obamas fault but in the same light this is no way to show he promises hope and change when he feels it necessary to out show the past presidents.

I didn't see 4 million people who had the funds to go to DC to stop this damn murderous Iraq occupation and they had the people in mind. And what did they get for their efforts. I only recall Kucinich out there with the people but none of the other candidates.

[akbacchus_BC]

190. He is the People's elected President, they want to be there to

share this historic moment.

Contrary to your belief, millions of people protested the fucking invasion of Iraq. Did your kind George Boosh and Dick fucking Cheney listened.

Once a week here, Canadians protest the US Embassy for the Cuban Five. Read and educate yourself!

[blues90]

226. First off boosh and cheney are NOT mine by a long shot

Yeah ia realize all these people want to be in DC to see what THEY feel is history in the making , that's what it's all about.

On top of this the protests were ignored by most all of the house and senate members as were all the emails and calls and letters sent to each rep.

I did not see one rep other than Kucinich and a few other who came out to see and meet these protestors at anyone of these protests. Show me I'm wrong and tell me this does not mean soming . I did'nt see Hillary or Obama or Biden or Edwards or any one of the others out there running for president did you?

I know there were many people out there protesting the war I was one of them . There were never 4 million protestors in DC at any one time.

I am not talking about Canadians here but americns. Americans are the ones who are looked at as the terrorists of the world and the ME is not going to forget we allowed the boosh admin in twice and we are the ones who did nothing so we carry the guilt and responsibility as the torture nation and are all looked at this way because of the fact we did nothing to stop this.

To assume I don't read or educate myself is pure none sense.

[geek tragedy]

192. Thank you for the Greek columns freeper talking point.

Barack Obama should just hold his inauguration from the back of the bus.

[akbacchus_BC]

195. Yeah, that is what some of them want. This is so frigging useless to

debate! He ran a great campaign, he won but now he cannot be recognized. This is really fucked up!

[geek tragedy]

197. I guess they want him to disinvite the public from witnessing it.

Or something.

Just a bunch of lame-ass losers looking for something to whine about.

[blues90]

229. You make the most stupid points .

You act like Obama ran his campaign single handed with no help at all and then say people don't want him to be recognized. That certainly was not my point. It is how freaks like you twist things when anyone does not agree with you or the many other Obama can do no wrong supporters.

You don't read very well either or understand anything.

If it costs in the end a billion which it is very close to a this point to run a campaign and then do the acceptance then the inuguration what will it cost the next time. And people talk about campaign finance and ethics.

Have your fun , scream until your lungs land on your chest ,who gives a damn.

I didn't start this OP yet here are all the same freaks to cue in and focus on me and bring on the lame attacks , screw you people you are nothing more than freepers in your own right and more than willing to tear down and bash anyone who does not fall in line with you as if your view is the only view on earth and only you represent america or have to live in it.

You come here and attack me and you also found no problem attacking any other candidate that would have made a fine president to complete your cause and mission.
Go back and read all the replies that you and others have made , nothing but second grade remarks and name calling or childish insults and you are the people who support Obama , think about how you look and then go talk this way to Obama and see if he approves or would even want your support. You and your old and worn out lame mindless talking points repeated over and over again. Find something new for crips sake,it's so lame and makes no sense and is as transparent as the water in a spring well.

[geek tragedy]

231. Yeah, let's cancel the inauguration now that a black guy

has won it.

I'm sure African-Americans would understand your Petty Puerile Purist Pouting.

[blues90]

235. Jesus !

What the hell has this got to do with skin color and remember you made this the point not me. I said they should tone it down not cancel it. And certainly not because of skin color. If you would have read some of my other replies instead of targeting me personally you would have seen what I said which was I would feel the same way if Hillary or Kucinich or Edwards or any new president did the thing the same way.

I refuse to read or comment to your mindless baiting posts ever again.

You are a one track minded fool and you dare to drag race into it and this is what you did. I could give a fuck if the president were green and had three heads. Save your race baiting for someone who is racist.

[geek tragedy]

236. How does one 'tone down' security costs? n/t

[blues90]

227. I am not a damn freeper , I have a right to my opinion as you do

But I don't know you to judge you as you do to me. We still have free speech and the right to expression and I used mine here and no one like you with swarmey remarks and personal assumptions will ever change that.

You take it personal, well do it then , that's your right. Go to DC and rave and expect and tell yourself this 160 million is justified at a time like this. I happen to not agree with the entire concept of it.

I know what I see and express that , I can't tell you what the freepers talking points are and don't care, I have a mind of my own.

Yes the Denver deal was way over the top and that is my opinion. I don't need anyone to tell me what I see and with an open mind.

History is changing this country back into something that works for everyone with laws and fairness and NOT to do with the color of ones skin. If Hillary would have won or Kucinich and done the same thing I would feel the exact say way.

To see this country in the state it's in now after 8 years of hell is not the time to make it some grand event for the few. 4 million out of 350 million is a few.

[geek tragedy]

230. You favor cancelling the inauguration ceremony.

That's a fucking stupid idea, and you can take your stupid self-righteous nonsense and cram it.

[blues90]

232. what did I expect . See just another childish remark !

Gees I'm so bothered. I never said cancel it , I said tone it down for the reasons I meantioned. Look at yourself with the self-righteous crap and back at you with the remark. And to think you are someone that I have to live with knowing just how childish you really are. I hope you're proud of how you come off.

[CreekDog]

238. Sir, you DO NOT have an open mind

My goodness I've been watching you post here for over a year.

Your mind is so closed that you reflexively badmouthed Obama time and time again, no matter what he did. Then you called Kennedy a fata** (in the same message where you said people who thought Michelle Obama was beautiful were f****** blind.

Don't even SUGGEST you have any credibility on being open minded or reasoned posts. Your style is to let it fly, truth be damned and it shows and you've got a whole bunch of people here who have seen this time and time again from you and they are pointing it out.

If you want to post a lot of nonsense and have people appreciate it, go to the Lounge, we do that for fun there. But in here, while you don't have to write a treatise to gain respect, if you sling accusations based on gut feelings and limited sources AND YOU GET FACTS WRONG IN THE PROCESS, people here are going to call BS. Do it enough and nobody forgets you.

I recommend getting a new username and turning over a new leaf.

And I will provide you the quote you stated about Kennedy after I get home, but buddy, you said it.

[akbacchus_BC]

196. I know this is against the rules, but have to say it. Contribute and

get a star before spouting off shit about the PE! Want me to help you with $2.00?

[HughMoran]

198. What a surprise

Never seen a like this from you.

[rvablue]

199. Funny, I heard Fred "Law & Order" Thompson bitching about the same thing on Sean Hannity tonight

are you guys friends?

[AZBlue]

204. If you didn't want to be flamed, you shouldn't have written such an asinine post.

Sorry.

[democracy1st]

208. thank you I rest my case

[Hekate]

206. Millions of citizens will pump money into the economy across the country by traveling to DC...

Motels will benefit, as will trains, busses, airlines, and restaurants along the way. All those entities employ people, too.

A ton of money will be spent on security and travelers' aid in the city -- by no means is all of this money going for bread and circuses.

Or-- we could all stay home and toast this historic event with tap water. Like Al Gore choosing to row a boat across the Atlantic to collect his Nobel Prize to show that he was too pure to waste jet fuel (remember that DU fight?), Barack Obama could show the world that these dark times are no time for frivolous celebrations that lift the heart.

Sorry, I really think you have this one wrong

Hekate

[Hekate]

207. Let's all stay home and toast the event with tap water

:eyes:

[Political Tiger]

211. So you advocate canceling other national events

such as 4th of July celebrations??

After all, money spent on fireworks and parades and such should be, if you are going to be consistent, "donated...to food pantries."

So please do tell, assuming the economy won't be completely fixed in 5 months, and chances are highly likely it won't be, can we expect you to demand that all cities should cancel 4th of July celebrations and instead donate all monies to be used for any 4th of July events be donated to food pantries instead?

[Name removed]

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[SlowDownFast]

214. I'm with you, too, Debbie.

Obama should be setting an example of fiscal responsibility, not wasteful spending.

I understand he's the first black president and people are happy * is gone, but there are immediate financial matters at hand. This crisis could break the US.

Reading all the ObamaCanDoNoWrong and DontCriticizeObama posters on DU is sickening.

As a life-long progressive, when I see the mass naivety and sheeple-think on this board, I begin to lose any hope I had in America and it's people in general - Dem or Repug. We've become a spoiled, sensationalist, dumbed-down society without any sense of pragmatism or history.

[CreekDog]

216. what cost specifically would you reduce?

would you stop people from coming?

you people that come here and say it needs to cost less NEVER tell us how you propose spending less.

and you never have the guts to say that they should spend less on security or that people should be prevented from coming to DC (but you can't stop them actually).

this is a public event, democracies have public events and they cost money.

[Lyric]

218. I agree with you. What we want and what's right are not always the same thing.

I, too, want a big party. But it's not the right thing to do at this moment in America, sadly.

Still, it's not something I'm going to carry a grudge over. It's just one decision out of thousands that he's going to make, and I suspect that at least some of it *isn't* his decision. I have hope that he will govern much more wisely than he holds an inauguration.

[Medusa]

219. It's actually very cool & a plus for our troubled economy

Transportation: To get there people either have to take public transportation (bus, plane, train, etc.) or drive. That's money pumped into the economy through the cost of the tickets. Also it's employing people who work for the buslines, Amtrak, airlines, etc. If you're driving, you have to buy fuel, that's money for the oil companies yes, but it's also money for gas stations and the people they employ.

Hotels & Motels: DC and the outlying areas are said to be booked solid. You think they'd be this booked if there wasn't a big celebration going down? Think about all the people those hotels & motels employ: bellboys, desk people, maids, cooks, waitstaff, etc. Some of these people will get tips--you think they didn't want to see an inauguration celebration?

Restaurants: People gotta eat! Whether it's from a street vendor, a fast food restaurant, or a fancy 5-star restaurant, it's still pumping money into the economy. There is an entire supply chain in and of itself through food suppliers, wholesalers, beverage companies, etc. not to mention the staff at those restaurants. Tips here too for the waitstaff. Again, do you think it would be better if everyone stayed at home and those people didn't have an opportunity to make some extra $$$$$$?

Souvenirs: People have to show they were there, right?

Clothes: Can't wear old clothes to see the new president now can we? Gotta dress up if you're going to one of the inaugural balls too. Again, more money into the economy. And don't tell me some people aren't going to go buy new luggage or a new digital camera, etc.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

In short, I'm sure that this inauguration is taking IN more money than it's spending in the long run.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

221. You got a point. But it costs what it costs. Might as well enjoy it.

[merh]

223. Don't bother flaming you?

No one has to do a thing to flame and frustrate you, from your posts that is how you have been existing.

That must be tiring, what a burden to carry around with you, all that anger and frustration.

[Enrique]

228. I think there is value in it

the event is unbelievably significant to millions of people, there is demand for celebration.

[LynneSin]

233. So you'd rather just cancel the event and deny local businesses a chance to make money

First and foremost not all of the $160mil is coming from the taxpayers - At least $50mil is coming from private donors.

And consider this, this economy is dying but this inauguration is going to be a financial windfall not just for DC but for Maryland, Virginia and even as far away as West Virginia, Pennsylvania and Delaware.

Four Million people will need transportation and other necessities which means that businesses hurting this past year are going to make a major windfall that will help them keep in business.

And it's not just the mid-atlantic region that benefits. Airlines across the country not only have their flights book but added flights to get people into DC and for those not coming to DC - many are having local parties.

So you'd rather just quietly slip in and deny the money that business will make from this historic event.

Trust me - the $160mil spent is probably not even half the revenue that will be generated by this event.

[windbreeze]

239. Is there a difference in the worth of the dollar today....vs....uhhhh...2004...

1940's??? but I agree...no need for this kind of spending when people are going hungry...and haven't a place to live...wb

[catgirl]

240. This (blooper) thread is still hanging around?

LOL!!!!!!!!