Lowery's prayer was beautiful Absolutely, stunningly, beautiful.

[Critters2]

I hope Warren was taking notes. THAT is how it's done!!

[Fran Kubelik]

I agree, 100%

[rateyes]

1. I agree.

Excellent.

[gauguin57]

2. Stunning is right.

I want the text of that prayer!

[Cha]

4. So do I because I had to miss

it, darn it!

[my2sense]

7. Me too - I'm looking for it now

[truebrit71]

9. Me too..it was brilliant!

Really good stuff..

[AlCzervik]

3. i heard about a minute of Warren, why in the hell would anyone actually go to hear him preach?

really?

[bigwillq]

5. I agree.

:thumbsup:

[MikeNearMcChord]

6. AMEN, AMEN AND AMEN!!!!

[KitchenWitch]

8. It was masterful.

I am almost speechless in awe and reverence.

[BlooInBloo]

10. My gawd he was awesome.

[Lost-in-FL]

11. Warrens was faked...

That was my impression. It was a forced prayer.

[Critters2]

17. It occurred to me that Warren's prayer may have been a "fuck you"

maybe to Obama, maybe to those who criticized his choice. But it so obviously ran against the inclusive message on which Obama ran, that I just can't think Warren is this clueless. I think he was letting Obama know that he doesn't agree with his message.

What a mistake on Obama's part.

[951-Riverside]

30. Is it just me or did Warren call Obama's daughter Malia, Lia?

[ronnykmarshall]

12. Fantastic.

THAT is a man of god. Not that piss ant bigot Warren.

[Shiver]

13. I went for a smoke during Warren

Lowery was so awesome, I needed one after :smoke:

[crispini]

14. That was AWESOME.

LOVED the end!

[JimDandy]

15. Best of ALL of today's speech's (even Obama's-sad to say.)

Eat THAT Rick Warren!

[mzmolly]

16. The least of these vs. the elite of these....

"Help us make choices on the side of love, not hate, inclusion not exclusion, tolerance vs. intolerance...."

[Sancho]

18. So much better than warren! put warren to shame...

Franklin did a good job, too! Lowery was the hit if you ask me.

[MadMaddie]

19. It was fantastic!

[earth mom]

20. WTH was up with "whites will do what's right"?! That was B.S!

:grr:

[Critters2]

21. Rhyming preaching like that is an African American preaching style.

That was one of the remarkable things about his prayer. He combined interesting imagery, prophetic speech, and a variety of rhetorical styles. And that phrase was one in a list of things that will happen when the world becomes what it can be..as Christians say "when the kingdom comes". He worked on that prayer, and it showed.

It was a wonderful prayer.

[earth mom]

22. I'm agnostic, but I listened anyway & thought the prayer was okay until the moment he dissed whites.

It was unfair and wrong to infer that the ills of the world fall squarely on the shoulders of whites.

Which is why it was a bullshit prayer.

[Critters2]

24. He didn't infer any such thing,

If you were an African American man who has been through what he's been through, you don't think you'd pray for whites to change?

The people in charge need to take responsibility for the ills of the world. In this country, that means whites.

[earth mom]

28. No it's not okay at this point-Not after whites helped elect an African American to the presidency.

The bigotry needs to stop.

Sorry, it's just not okay if you want everyone to get along.

I'm sick of people like Chris Rock who say shit about whites too. I used to think he was funny, but lately I refuse to listen to him because it's just flat out rude the shit he says.


Why don't you stop and think about it for a minute and see it from the OTHER side?

[Shakespeare]

35. Oh, for fuck's sake. We poor white people are so put upon.

You've got to be fucking kidding me. :eyes:

[earth mom]

36. Like I said in reply to someone else-it came out of left field during a PRAYER = not cool.

Nice "unity" you got there-NOT. :eyes:

[Shakespeare]

37. It was all of a piece with the comments on all races.

Not my fault if you're too ignorant to understand that.

And because I disagree with you, I'm anti-unity. What utter bullshit.

[earth mom]

39. No-the other comments were positive. The white comment was not. nt

[Shakespeare]

43. Well, you go right ahead and feel offended.

Score one for white people, I guess. :rofl:

[earth mom]

55. Your posts prove that you are totally ignorant.

FYI, the vast majority of whites in this country haven't done a fucking thing to oppress anyone.

Which is why they don't deserve this kind of bullshit disrespect.

You know for damn sure that if a white reverend had said "blacks need to do what's right", there would have been an uproar about what a bigot he was.


The statement Lowery made was bigoted and uncalled for on such a day as today. Simple as that.

[olegramps]

57. It would seem to me that you would be more outraged by the continued hatred of blacks by so many.

Perhaps you have not been prejudiced against Blacks, but you unfortunately do not reflect the thinking of a significant portion of our culture. I was born and raised in Mississippi and have many relatives that live in the deep South. Sadly, I have to admit that far too many of them cling to their prejudiced thinking of White superiority and the inferiority of Blacks. Just remember this one fact. Until the passage of the civil rights legislation by the Johnson administration the South was solidly Democratic. As Johnson remarked upon his signing it, the South would be lost to Democrats for generations to come. Within one election cycle nearly all the Democrats were defeated by Republicans. I remember Lott and his campaign speeches in which he spewed all the code words just as Reagan did when he opened his campaign in the South. The Republican Party is the party of the Southern racists and far too many are just as intolerant as they were in the 50's and 60's.

[TTUBatfan2008]

59. Agreed, and here's another thing...

right wing radio is attacking Obama for what Lowery said, just like they attacked him for what Wright said. In fact, I've heard them making direct comparisons to Wright on my local radio station.

[Shakespeare]

67. So you're aligning yourself with the right wingers?

:rofl:

[TTUBatfan2008]

69. Hell no I'm not aligning myself with them...

I didn't personally have a problem with the comment. What I do have a problem with is the fact that it has given them yet another delusional line of attack against Obama for something they damn well know he isn't ("angry black guy"). They will use any little thing they can to prey on people's prejudices.

[Shakespeare]

72. Saying that presumes that they have a point.

And they do not.

[Shakespeare]

66. No, my posts do no such thing.

If you took offense at that line, perhaps you should look in a mirror. The only people who would take offense at that line are the whites who truly do need to do right.

But I find it kind of hilarious that you find me ignorant. That's really funny.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. Actually, the white vote when to the crazy racist white guy.

"Why don't you stop and think about it for a minute and see it from the OTHER side?"

OK, I thought about it.

As a fellow white guy, you're completely full of crap.

[NatBurner]

42. lol you should march on washington

keep your eyes on the prize, my beige brother

[Zhade]

47. ...

:spray:

AWESOME.

[Critters2]

50. !

:spray:

[Starry Messenger]

64. spit-take!

:rofl:

[Zhade]

46. Truth hurts, huh?

Get over it.

[The Doctor.]

53. The prayer wasn't bullshit... just the one implication.

If 'whites' didn't do 'what's right', then we'd still have slavery in this country.

Sure, what they did had more to do with economics than morality, but it was 'right' after all.

[roguevalley]

44. that was a prayer spoken for five hundred years of dreams and it

was wonderful.

[fed_up_mother]

26. I think that whole part is from the civil rights era. Anybody know more about that?

I suspect it came across to some like a punch in the gut for every white person who worked for civil rights and voted for Obama, but I chalked it up to age. :)

[earth mom]

32. That's exactly how it felt-like out of left field. Maybe it is because of his generation.

:shrug:

[SeattleGirl]

48. Are you kidding me?

I don't think he was dissing whites.

And given the history of whites in this country, there are many, many times when we as a race have NOT done right.

[TTUBatfan2008]

60. You have to look at this politically too...

I've already heard the local conservative radio hosts making a big deal about it. They're attacking Obama for it as if he said it. They, of course, are looking for any reason to get their listeners fired up and resistant to Obama. Portraying him as an angry black guy will do it, even if he's not responsible for what some preacher says in a prayer. They're trying to hang this around Obama's neck just like they hung Wright around his neck.

[Shakespeare]

68. You do realize those neanderthals are going to attack Obama for everything, don't you?

And if you see Lowery (or, by extension, Obama) as "angry" in any way, you were watching an inauguration in some bizarro parallel universe.

But Rick Warren was just fine, right?

Good lord, this place never fails to astonish me.

[TTUBatfan2008]

70. Nice assumption...

NOT.

I can't stand Rick Warren. He's a homophobe asshole and I wish Obama had not invited him to the Inauguration. And no, I didn't "see" any of the Inauguration. I was listening to it over an Internet audio stream. Lowery's comment did not personally offend me, but I do recognize it as a controversial one. And you need to wake the fuck up if you think I see Obama as angry. I've been on here trying to tell people to stop insisting that we investigate the Bush administration because I believe Obama's post-partisan message is important. Obama seems to be one of the nicest, most genuine politicians you could ever meet. I don't know much about Lowery, but I thought his prayer was very good. I was happy that Obama let him have the "last word" compared to Rick Warren. Lowery doesn't strike me as angry, but that is how the right wingers are portraying it and I'm sick of the unfair attacks. As for being "angry," I defended Wright for being angry because he has a right to be as angry as he wants. He went through segregation and I don't think anyone should tell him how to feel on such matters.

[Shakespeare]

73. See my other post to you. n/t

[marshall]

65. It means we haven't come as far as we thought we had

This race has by no means been an easy ride. Obama was not always treated respectfully, even by members of his own party. He clawed his way to the presidency in spite of comments like Biden's that he's "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy" and Bill Clinton's insinuation that frontrunner Obama would make a great VP running mate for his wife.

So even as whites think they are being progressive enough, Lowery is astute enough to point out that we're not quite there yet. Dr. King's dream is still out there waiting for us, and it's up to whites to get the hell out the way.

[Rabrrrrrr]

71. Oh, for the sake of fuck - learn some history.

There is an old saying of the freedmen after the Civil War that goes like this:

"If you’re white, you’re alright
If you’re brown, stick around
If you’re yellow, you’re mellow
But if you’re black, get back"

[mnhtnbb]

23. It was more poetic than the poet.

[Cronopio]

25. Agreed - it was note perfect.

Warren's sounded theatrical and forced. Too effusive. He doesn't know how to build the energy of a speech as Lowery does, and did.

I've got to wonder why Warren is as popular a preacher as he is. Easy audiences, I suspect.

Edit: got my surnames reversed in that last sentence. Must be the champagne.

[calimary]

27. Wasn't it Just WUNNNNNderful? Made me cry!

It was Just. Simply. WUNNNNNderful. Made me laugh through tears and nod my head and smile and laugh through some more tears.

WHOTTA DAY.

:headbang: :patriot:

[placton]

34. Warren got what he deserved

what a contrast - and how wonderful to see!

[Maven]

29. Yes it was. He was fantastic.

[Jennicut]

31. It was very beautiful. I thought Warren's was not offensive just boring.

But the man himself was offensive and the words he said about God loving everyone were hypocritical of what he has said in the past.

[TTUBatfan2008]

33. No one will remember the content of Warren's...

whereas Lowery's will be remembered for a long time to come! It was a great prayer and I think it's fiting that Obama gave him "the last word" between the two preachers.

[Tsiyu]

40. Kicking so maybe someone will post the text

I would love to read his words.

:kick:

[peoli]

41. kicking so someone might post the video

[thoughtcrime1984]

45. It was cool, I liked it. nt

[gauguin57]

49. YouTube video of Lowery speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pEH37JIgBU

[Cha]

51. Thanks!

I had to miss it:(

[olegramps]

58. Read the replies that have been posted.

Reply after reply uses racist language condemning him. Their remarks calling him a nigger only prove the point that racism is alive and well in the hearts of far too many Americans. Some people would like to believe that it is all behind us now that we have elected a man of mixed ancestry. It was a major achievement but it hardly erases the fact that a significant portion of our citizens are prejudiced.

[alwysdrunk]

52. Can the Red Man get ahead man?

Sorry but I'm posting this in every Lowery thread because I'm still stuck on the awesomeness.

[DFLforever]

54. It was a true prayer...you could feel it

as opposed to Warren's self-aggrandizement.

Sorry, I don't think Warren has a spiritual calling at all...imo he's just another salesman of a fake American religion.

[a kennedy]

56. Oh my gawd......I thought so too......

loved it!!

[Marie26]

61. Totally agree.

Is it printed anywhere?

[Top Cat]

62. 100%

[Leo The Cleo]

63. Best Moment in Inaugural History

For me it was one of the better moments in inaugural history. It had love, reverence, swagger and so much more. It said what went unsaid up until the point that he spoke his words. Not at one time in inaugural history did someone address race as poetically and boldly. It wasn't waved in anyone's face like the righteous finger. However, the message was clear, forward and endearing.