Bill Clinton

[denem]

n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

1. ibtl

[PBS Poll-435]

2. &

:popcorn:

[wyldwolf]

3. K&R!

[denem]

4. Indeed.

[Captain Hilts]

5. Bubba. nt

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Is This A Game Of Jeopardy?

"Who was the first US President to institute outsourced torture as American policy?"

Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?

[leftstreet]

7. ouch

Just ouch

Although this does qualify you for round 2

:o

[Captain Hilts]

8. 'Who's the first to admit it' is the appropriate question. nt

[AJH032]

9. Probably just a test

To see if we can have a thread about Bill Clinton without a negative comment.

Guess not.

[wyldwolf]

12. I'll take LBJ for 500

the U.S. has outsourced "questioning" since at least 1965 (South American Communists)

[MannyGoldstein]

18. Got An Executive Order To Back That Up?

Or Presidential directive?

[wyldwolf]

20. don't need one

It was US policy regardless of whether the public knew about it. And almost 30 years before the great Satan Clinton.

:rofl:

[MannyGoldstein]

21. So You Just Kind Of Know It's True?

OK.

[wyldwolf]

23. Manny, it's pretty common knowledge for those who know the history of the era

But I'll refer you to one book (among several) to bring you up to speed.

http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Plane-Story-Torture-Program/dp/0312360231

Yes, with LBJ's knowledge. :)

[MannyGoldstein]

28. Houston, We Have A Problem

No mention of Johnson in the book, as far as I can see.

:shrug:

[wyldwolf]

31. except we don't

Perhaps you should do more than read the online excerpts.

Here's another reference:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/1/141749/6600

Now, I certainly understand the defense you seem to be taking: Johnson didn't know (or Nixon or Carter.)

Kinda ludicrous but anything to hold onto a negative myth about Bill Clinton.

[MannyGoldstein]

32. I Searched The Book For "Lyndon" And "Johnson"

And checked the index. You can do that on Amazon.

Bupkes. Nada.

[wyldwolf]

34. did you check "president?"

Or perhaps read the parts about Senate hearings in mid-70s on CIA torture in the 60s?

But, of course, the president didn't know. ;-)

Maybe this will be of interest to you:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB122/

(National Security Archives) Washington D.C. May 12, 2004: CIA interrogation manuals written in the 1960s and 1980s described "coercive techniques" such as those used to mistreat detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, according to the declassified documents posted today by the National Security Archive.

But, of course, the president(s) didn't know. ;-)


Is it really that difficult to let go of the Clinton hate and know all things evil didn't start in 1992?

[Captain Hilts]

38. Folk here don't know history. Sad. nt

[Captain Hilts]

37. I think LBJ tortured other members of congress also. nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. I would like to spin Pat Sajak... I can't figure out the puzzle yet

[LanternWaste]

52. I think it was Wilson who first did that during WWI...

I think it was Wilson who first did that during WWI...

[Uzybone]

10. Clenis

[emilyg]

11. My Bill.

Hillary and I share. :loveya:

[FLyellowdog]

13. Can I join?

:grouphug:

[emilyg]

36. Absolutely yes.

[Buck Laser]

14. He was OK, but we've got better now.

[Fire1]

15. I'll always love Bill.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

16. Best president I've ever seen

[H2O Man]

17. Please!

We don't need to rehash the '92 primary yet again!

[BeyondGeography]

22. Underachiever

[Thickasabrick]

24. Big Dog!!

[BoneDaddy]

25. Who deregulated the media industry

and showed incredible skills in withholding orgasm?

[dionysus]

26. NAFTA, media deregulation, cigar

:shrug:

[amborin]

27. sigh

it was Reagan and Bush senior who drafted Nafta

[dionysus]

29. so he didn't sign or attempt to veto?

:eyes:

[dionysus]

30. and besides that, i still like the guy, he did a decent job

he tried to be nice with the repukes and they still tried to take him down

my first vote at age 18 was for him

i didn't like his behavior during the primaries but i'm past it
:hi:

[Starry Messenger]

33. George Clinton.

:D

I love puzzles.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

35. Delbert McClinton

George and Delbert would be one hell of a concert.

[ErinBerin84]

39. um

saxophone?

[kwassa]

40. Dewitt Clinton

[kwassa]

41. Sir Henry Clinton

[Undercurrent]

42. So last century.

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

43. one of our best presidents....the 90s were good times. nt

[Politics_Guy25]

44. They were indeed

But remember what awaited us in this decade.

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

45. Remember when the biggest thing we were worried about as a country was whether or not

an intern had given the President a blowjob? lol!

[Beacool]

46. Best president in my lifetime.

:D

[question everything]

47. Same here

:toast:

[Hekate]

48. The Big Dog -- just would *not* stay on the porch.

:eyes:

[Lilith Velkor]

49. Mr. Hillary

Not bad for a Republican.

:hide:

[Every Man A King]

50. "The Era of Big Government is Over"

:eyes:

[greguganus]

51. First black president? n/t