LOOK Obama is not Bush!!!

[SunsetDreams]

Bush is the guy that got us into this mess remember? He had 8 years to do this, and he nearly steered us off a freaking cliff.
I think its going to take President Obama more than 2 freaking months to fix this mess. It is not going to happen over night.

NO ONE on this board should EVER compare Obama to Bush IMO They couldn't be further apart in policy and ideology.

I am not saying we can't be critical of Obama, but to compare him to Bush is going utterly too far!

We could go on about this Economist said that, or another one said this, but the truth is IT'S ALL an educated guess. That's it! Just because they may have predicted one aspect or another, doesn't mean they have all the answers, or can predict with certainty that this economic plan will not work. Having a Nobel prize doesn't make someone right FOREVERMORE!

All I know is I am not an economist, and I couldn't say what the government should do, or what they shouldn't. All I want, is to be able to live my life, have a good job, buy food and necessities for my family, have a roof over my head etc. I would also like to take my family out on the town so to speak now and then. That's all I want. I'm not sure how we get there, but I am willing to give someone a chance to try. No one has all the answers, and I certainly don't.

[Political Heretic]

1. Krugman's ideas simply make more sense to me.

I'm with you on not comparing Obama to Bush. And I'm with you on the reminder that economics is educated guesswork, with a heavy emphasis on the educated part, however. And I'm with you on the observation that people are not always right, regardless of their credentials.

But none of that is why I agree with Krugman and disagree with the Obama administration on how to handle the financial sector. I agree with Krugman, because after doing my best to be informed (and I can do a lot, since I actually have working knowledge of economics)and looking into a very wide array of opinion and expert analysis, I feel he articulates an approach that I believe to be the better one.

Could I be wrong? Yup. In this case, since the Obama administration has chosen to do something else, I hope I'm wrong because I want want real people to be hurting from this mess any long than they have to.

[Dawgs]

8. I didn't realize he had an approach.

Unless you're talking about Obama bashing.

:shrug:

[Political Heretic]

9. Well then, frankly

you're an idiot.

Yes, he has an approach. Perhaps you would think its a wrong approach, which is fine. But he's made his approach crystal clear, and other people who OPPOSE it have summarized his approach right here on this very forum for the purposes of critiquing it.

So, nice try...

[SunsetDreams]

11. Krugmans' plan may work, or it may not.

Right now we have a plan, and I hope it works, I am willing to be patient.
I don't see how he can say basically that Obama's will fail. He doesn't know that.

[lunatica]

2. You can't gauge President Obama's approval rating by DU

While here it seems there's very vocal criticism, he keeps doing great in his approval rating among all Americans. So relax because DU isn't the end all so many like to think it is. It's just a mere tempest in a cup...

[LakeSamish706]

4. Yeah, but it gets so hard to wade through all the crap on this board....

With so many arm chair critics of Geithner and Obama....

[SunsetDreams]

5. I realize that lunatica

His approval rating among all Americans is high, however, I still stand by my OP. I would say the same thing to anyone who compared Obama to Bush, regardless of an internet board or not.

[lunatica]

12. I agree with you regarding comparing Bush to President Obama

But, at least for me that really falls flat because it's a ridiculous thing to do. I just remember that kind of extreme condemnation sounds too much like rage gone wild, and I mostly ignore it. When people are that opinionated all you can do is get into fights with them. They'll always have what they think is the ultimate proof that Obama is just like Bush which is just something so bad, so nefarious, so evil that it just defines the man. That's patently ridiculous. You can disagree with something without throwing everything they do out the window. I say let them rage on by themselves and let their threads sink to the bottom faster.

[butterfly77]

3. Damn straight...

the media and the republicons really want us to believe that shit. They don't want him to have any answers they want to obstruct and stop him from digging up all of their dirt..They are playing to the new voters who never pay attention..

[SunsetDreams]

6. exactly,

They don't want it to work, because they have an agenda.

[LittleBlue]

7. Most are criticizing Obama's team, not Obama n/t

[butterfly77]

13. That's why he can't fill his adm...

because the media is helping out and as soon as he choose someone for a post, they begin the attack and then try to compare him to Bushit...

[LittleBlue]

15. I can only speak from personal experience

I have never cheated on my taxes, and none of my oldest friends have either (I do their taxes for them).

Basically, if all his choices have tax problems, he needs to find a pool of more credible people.

[butterfly77]

17. Its not all about taxes,,

but it is for the republicons. If only they could get some more tax cuts the whole stimulus would be tax cuts and nothing else..

[azmouse]

10. Utopia was expected on Obama's first day in office

by a few vocal people.

I trust Obama to do what he thinks is best. I may not always agree and that's ok.

[SunsetDreams]

23. Utopia LOL

[Thrill]

14. Obama is much smarter than Bush. He's going with this plan because he thinks its the best one

And I trust him. Unlike Bush, Obama actually reads and listens to other opinions. I'm sure hes read all of Krugman's articles, and simply doesn't agree with his approach

[SunsetDreams]

25. Yes!!

"Unlike Bush, Obama actually reads and listens to other opinions"

[Cha]

16. A poster was comparing Obama to bush

on this board last night and the more I thought about it today the more I wished I would have alerted..in fact, I'll go there now.

Thank you so much for your thread, Sunset DreamsB-)

"All I know is I am not an economist, and I couldn't say what the government should do, or what they shouldn't. All I want, is to be able to live my life, have a good job, buy food and necessities for my family, have a roof over my head etc. I would also like to take my family out on the town so to speak now and then. That's all I want. I'm not sure how we get there, but I am willing to give someone a chance to try. No one has all the answers, and I certainly don't."

[SunsetDreams]

22. Isn't it just ludicrous?

You're welcome, it was a rant that needed to be made.

I have seen several compare Obama to Bush and it makes me sick.

[damonm]

18. I keep thinking...

of what Harry truman once said about Economists...
"...you can lay 'em end to end, and they'll point in all directions!"

[SunsetDreams]

21. Isn't that the truth!

[nichomachus]

19. The problem is -- we're still heading toward the cliff

We don't want a "fix" overnight -- we just want someone to turn the freaking wheel and point us away from the cliff. That's all. What we're seeing right now is Geithner and Company stomping on the accelerator.

[SunsetDreams]

20. Funny, I'm not seeing that at all, in a mere two months.

Well in Geithners' case even less time than that.

[nichomachus]

24. So, how long will it take? How long do we have?

This "just be patient, it's only been two months" meme is wearing pathetically thin. Will we still be hearing that in December? Well, just be patient. It's only been 11 months. Just be patient. It's only been two years.

[SunsetDreams]

26. I don't know how long it will take, because it was a BIG HUGE mess!

All I know is 2 months is not enough.

[nichomachus]

27. Well, how much is enough. At what point will you say "It's taking too long?"

Or will you just let yourself be strung along forever. You must have some idea in mind.

And two months is not enough to do what? Come up with a plan? Come up with an idea? Nobody's asking them to make everything all better overnight. But, people would like to know they have a plan.

[SunsetDreams]

28. They do have a plan,

Saying they don't is disingenuous at best.

I don't know at what point I will say it's taking too long, maybe I should wait for 8 years and 1 day, I mean surely after that long it will be fixed. It took 8 years to get us here.