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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:10 PM Original message |
Washington, Lincoln and FDR all employed the use of military tribunals. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R |
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SamCooke (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:15 PM Original message |
There is nothing wrong with them as long as they're fair. What does K&R mean? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. K is for Kick to move the thread up with a post. |
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SamCooke (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Thanks |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. People don't like logical people here. Didn't you see the attack that O is a corporatist?! |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Broken campaign promises |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Hmmm... Read post #8 |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. Were we posting these threads when Bush was president? Defending these things? PLEASE. -nt |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Did you bother to read it? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Read my post. Bush's tribunals were a sham. Tribunals aren't the problem, the tribunal policies were |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
7. but Obama's tribunals |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I don't believe that all of the changes coming have been detailed yet..... |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
36. I suspect that the changes won't include: |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. I'm thinking that expanding their access to better legal counsel may end up covering that. |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
8. In 2006, He supported a version of the Military Tribunals but they passed the Bush version instead. |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
10. "Tinkering" with something he promised to ABOLISH is becoming typical Obama word-parsing -nt |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. You never heard him say to abolish in his own words. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Can't we disagree without THAT? -nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. On matters of reality vs. total fabrications... |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. NY Times |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Sorry but the NYT interpretation of his platform isn't good enough. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. He abolished the Bush policies that were the problem to begin with. Thats good enough. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. Making up the claim that Obama promised to "abolish" something he never did |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 07:09 AM Response to Reply #10 |
39. I don't remember it that way |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
20. Explanation, please... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. The way I understand it... |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Thats a valid argument and one worthy of debate. International crime is treated differently. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
26. Lincoln's tribunals were deemed unconstitutaional |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Milligan only applied to citizens for one. For two, it doesn't change that Lincoln used them. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Some Were, Ma'am, And Some Were Not |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
27. My mother worked for Kenneth C. Royale. nt |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
28. Thanks for your OP in the midst of |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
30. That was during wartime! Yikes! Not a very good analogy at all unless you subscribe to Bush's |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Its not even close to "Bush Lite" with the changes we all ready know about. |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
35. thank you nt |
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Kdillard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 05:54 AM Response to Original message |
37. k and r. Thanks. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 06:05 AM Response to Original message |
38. I agree - thank you nt |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
40. Kick |
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