Does the DLC Support Conservative 3rd Parties that Run Against Democrats?

[Dr Fate]

Poll question: Does the DLC Support Conservative 3rd Parties that Run Against Democrats?

Here is a really fun and informative article the from the DLC where they brag about how they defeated the Democratic nominee:


http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&conte...

After this fall's power-shifting election, it was fascinating for me, as a strategist for Joe Lieberman's victorious Senate campaign, to watch Democrats struggle to fit the square political peg of the Lieberman comeback into the round electoral hole of the Democratic takeover. Here you had a pro-war, 18- year incumbent, rejected by his own party in the Connecticut primary, running as an independent with an ostensibly anti-war, pro-change, deep-blue electorate -- and winning the rematch against his primary opponent by a resounding 10 percentage points.

Of course, the Lamont partisans and the bloggers who wanted to purge Lieberman from the party will dispute that characterization. But once you cut through all the hyperbole and misinformation, it is clear that Lieberman was being targeted for expulsion not as a matter of policy, but of purity. He did not share the polarized Democrats' hatred and contempt for Bush and the Republican leadership, and he committed the unpardonable sin of actually working with the other side on occasion...

Our campaign took a 180-degree different approach, one that played to Lieberman's natural strengths and magnified the weaknesses of Lamont's polarizing strategy. We spoke to the entire universe of voters, with a particular focus on those who were turned off by the name-calling and game-playing and the partisan gridlock in Washington. We clearly connected Lieberman's extensive record of accomplishment for the state to his unique ability to rise above politics and work with Republicans to solve people's problems. And perhaps most important, we made a compelling case that Lamont's obvious inexperience and hard partisanship would hurt Connecticut...

Our signature ad, called "Blackboard," was a perfect foil to the relentlessly negative and overly snarky spots with which Lamont kept hammering us. It featured a typical school blackboard set against a clean white backdrop, with the words "Democrats" and "Republicans" written on it and separated by a line. The narrator asked, "How do you keep our nation secure? How do you provide better health care for our children? How do you save 31,000 jobs at the New London sub base?" Lieberman then walked up to the blackboard, erased the line, and said, "By reaching across party lines and standing up for what's right." This ad brilliantly distilled the essence of Lieberman's appeal -- and the difference between the two candidates...

[blm]

1. If Lieberman had RUN as a strong supporter of Bush's war decisions, he would have lost big.

Too bad more Democratic voters had not yet realized that the DLC Dems (including Clintons) using critical language of Bush in 2006 were PRETENDING and EXAGGERATING differences just to get their vote for Lieberman.

[Dr Fate]

5. Plus the DLC was counting on Republican voters for the majority of the support- and they got it.

The DLC's 3rd party effort would have failed if not for Republican cross-over voters.

DEM voters may not have been aware of where he stood, but the Republicans seemed to know who their boy was.

[fadedrose]

2. I recall seeing the Clintons go up and campaign for Lieberman, pitiful nt

[Dr Fate]

4. But they couldnt make it up to CT for the DEM, for whatever reason.

n/t

[Beacool]

25. I recall seeing Obama campaign for Lieberman, pitiful

The New York Times reports that Joe Lieberman did not command the attention or respect of his audience at a fundraising event in Connecticut Thursday night.

Who came to his rescue? Sen. Barak Obama, with a ringing endorsement.

"I know that some in the party have differences with Joe," Senator Obama said, all but silencing the crowd. "I'm going to go ahead and say it. It's the elephant in the room. And Joe and I don't agree on everything. But what I know is, Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about the working families of America."

Then, with applause beginning to build, he finished the thought: "I am absolutely certain that Connecticut's going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the United States Senate." That time, people cheered loudly.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/04/02/164/90446


Obama campaigned for Lieberman in 2006 when he was challenged (and ultimately defeated) in his primary race for his Senate seat. When Lieberman opted to run as an independent, Obama wrote a supportive email endorsing Democratic nominee Ned Lamont, but he did not appear in person for him, unlike other Democrats, such as Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/obama-confronts.html


:shrug:

[fadedrose]

81. My apologies - I did not know that Obama also campained for Lieberman....nt

[Beacool]

88. That's OK.

:hi:

[Blue_Tires]

118. shit, we had a bunch of longtime DUers campaign for Lieberman

[Dr Fate]

120. And nothing on the DLC website supporting Lamont (D), that is for sure.

Only support & approval for Joe's conservative, 3rd party run:

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[kenny blankenship]

3. Who needs Republicans?

When you've got the DLC.

[Dr Fate]

6. And these are the hypocrites who cuss moan & groan about "Nader" and "The Far Left"

n/t

[TheKentuckian]

14. That is EXACTLY right.

there is no place for Republicans at the table and they will have to be wiped out before we can continue a rational debate on any issue.

[LooseWilly]

16. NO!

Ohh sorry... not an actual Republican... just my impersonation... in case you decide you want a rational debate with Republicans... I give you permission to cut and paste my impersonation into whatever Rational Debate you mean to have...

[LoZoccolo]

7. No one who voted "yes" even read the article. n/t

[Dr Fate]

9. I take it you agree with the DLC's approval of Joe's 3rd party run?

You seem to be indicating that this pro-Lieberman DLC paper has merit.

I guess anyone who voted "no" will try to tell us that Lieberman (I-3rd Party) isnt even associated with the DLC, or that we should take the word of an annonymous DUer over the DLC's own positions, straight from thier own official web site.

[Occam Bandage]

18. He's right, you know. And nobody who voted "no" read the article either.

You didn't link to anything in particular.

[Dr Fate]

30. The one from yesterday worked fine- but here is a good one:

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[LoZoccolo]

No it didn't.

That's why I posted the joke about nobody reading it less than an hour after it was posted.

[Dr Fate]

68. Is there a particular point made in the DLC article that you would like to focus on? (link provided)

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[Name removed]

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[Dr Fate]

35. You either agree with the DLC's article, or you dont. Which is it?

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

"...as a strategist for Joe Lieberman's victorious Senate campaign, to watch Democrats struggle to fit the square political peg of the Lieberman comeback into the round electoral hole of the Democratic takeover. Here you had a pro-war, 18- year incumbent, rejected by his own party in the Connecticut primary, running as an independent with an ostensibly anti-war, pro-change, deep-blue electorate -- and winning the rematch against his primary opponent by a resounding 10 percentage points.

Herer is some of the text- before it was removed from their site yester day:


"Of course, the Lamont partisans and the bloggers who wanted to purge Lieberman from the party will dispute that characterization. But once you cut through all the hyperbole and misinformation, it is clear that Lieberman was being targeted for expulsion not as a matter of policy, but of purity. He did not share the polarized Democrats' hatred and contempt for Bush and the Republican leadership, and he committed the unpardonable sin of actually working with the other side on occasion."

The Election Day exit polls said it all. They confirmed that Lamont's partisan, polarizing strategy failed to drive down Lieberman's Democratic vote. He won 33 percent of the Democrats, almost the same percentage he had gotten in the first major poll nine days after the primary. The exits also confirmed that our broad-based, problem-solver strategy succeeded where it mattered most -- with unaffiliated voters. We won by 19 points among independents -- the exact same margin by which Democrats won the votes of independents nationally. Finally, the polls highlighted the consistency of our appeal across not just party lines but also religious lines. We won among Jews and Catholics, which we expected, but also among Protestants. The only religious groups Lieberman lost were "other" and "none."

More than anything else, Lieberman's victory showed us the limits of polarizing politics. After all, the fastest growing party in America, not just in Connecticut, is no party. The only way Democrats are going to win over those independent thinking and increasingly anti-partisan voters, which is essential to winning back the White House and building a sustainable majority, is to resist the pressure of the polarizers in our party to run more Lamont-style campaigns. What works, as Joe Lieberman clearly demonstrated this fall, is the politics of results.

[LoZoccolo]

54. "before it was removed from their site yester day"

It was there yesterday. Your original link still does not work. The reason your links fail probably has something to do with copying them from other messages where DU has abbreviated the text that shows up for the link, while keeping the HREF the same. I found the article yesterday by using Google to search for some of the text which appeared in it. I will not give you an answer without you apologizing to the DLC for your accusation.

[Dr Fate]

57. Working link here- you either agree with the article or you do not.

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[wyldwolf]

58. In other words, and as Dr. fate has demonstrated repeatedly, he doesn't know how to post links

[Dr Fate]

59. At least you proved that the DLC is not associated with Lieberman.

;)

[wyldwolf]

61. Again, where? Link? But you might be interested in this:

"There is a strong argument to be made that the DLC has been the most influential think tank in American politics over the past generation...the DLC helped set in motion a period of party modernization that has helped the Democratic Party overcome the potent and ultimately ruinous rise of the New Right" - Simon Rosenberg

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[Dr Fate]

63. LOL! It was a joke. You have done nothing to prove that Joe was not a DLC candidate.

I guess I forgot to put up a saracsm thingy- my bad.

[wyldwolf]

64. you call making smears against more than one DUer a "joke?"

You have done nothing to prove that Joe was not a DLC candidate.

Nor have I attempted to. :shrug:


"There is a strong argument to be made that the DLC has been the most influential think tank in American politics over the past generation...the DLC helped set in motion a period of party modernization that has helped the Democratic Party overcome the potent and ultimately ruinous rise of the New Right" - Simon Rosenberg

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[Dr Fate]

65. I thought it was funny. Alert the mods if you think I'm smearing you. n/t

n/t

[wyldwolf]

66. you would find it funny.

"There is a strong argument to be made that the DLC has been the most influential think tank in American politics over the past generation...the DLC helped set in motion a period of party modernization that has helped the Democratic Party overcome the potent and ultimately ruinous rise of the New Right" - Simon Rosenberg

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[LoZoccolo]

67. Someone alerted my message up there BAAAAAAAAW! n/t

[bvar22]

116. You mean that the former Chairman of the DLC, Joe Lieberman,...

...has NO association WITH the DLC?

[Dr Fate]

117. Al From, DLC FOUNDER helped run Joe's campaign- the very campaign described on the DLC website.

The DLC's own website describes the campaign that the DLC founder ran, on behalf of a DLC member.

And yet we are still told by some that the DLC had nothing to do with any of it. LOL!

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[Forkboy]

12. I thought you cared about Democrats.

Thanks for proving so clearly that your Nader obsession is just that, an obsession, and any talk from you about him being bad for the Democrats is just a cover for your own personal issues with the man. Now others can finally see what I've seen all along.

[Dr Fate]

60. Pass it on. n/t

n/t

[LoZoccolo]

70. I do care about the Democrats.

I invite anybody to find any post where I endorse Lieberman for the general election. I did think he was a better choice for the primary, but I supported Lamont for the general. I did criticize his grassroots campaigners, but if they're gonna get butthurt for me pointing out a big mistake (selling Lieberman as a Republican, which only gave free advertising for him to Republicans) they should learn more about politics.

Why else would I have anything against Nader?

[LooseWilly]

15. I voted yes... and I read the article.

Unfortunately, the article I read consisted of this:

Element RECORDCOUNT is undefined in GETFILES.


The error occurred in /export/home/dlc/www/dlc/ndol/ndol_ci.cfm: line 310
308 : </table>
309 :
310 : <cfif getfiles.recordcount><hr>
311 : <img src="graphics/hd_sub_file_attachments.gif" width=118 height=16 alt="File Attachments" border="0">
312 : <cfoutput query="getfiles"><a href="../documents/#name#" class="greynavsmall">#display_name#</a><br><br></cfoutput></cfif>

Am I supposed to be logged in to initialize the RECORDCOUNT variable that this page seems to want to fetch/display?

In any case... Lieberman's associations with the DLC go way back... are probably an explanation for his being picked for VP in 2000... and also go to explain why he still has seniority in the Senate despite being rejected by party voters in the primary. Obviously... the DLC and the incumbents of the Senate (and Obama) are willing to overlook the primary voters in CT, in order to secure a semi-ally who might actually side with them sometimes.
Compromise has never smelled of roses...

[Dr Fate]

36. The link changed for some reason- here is a good one:

DLC | Blueprint Magazine | January 4, 2007
Lieberman Comes Back

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[wyldwolf]

46. no it didn't. You just posted the wrong link. LOL

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[Sebastian Doyle]

8. The DLC *IS* a conservative third party that runs against Democrats

And their puppet agencies the DSCC and DCCC do all they can to force the real Democrats out of the primaries.

[Dr Fate]

10. Well, their support & approval of Joe's Conservative 3rd party run speaks for itself. n/t

n/t

[LooseWilly]

13. It also rather explains why Lieberman still has his seniority in the Senate.

DLC lobbying... and Obama reaching out... :puke:

[Dr Fate]

78. Could be- it also shows the DLC's very poor long-term judgment.

The DLC's defeat of a Democrat has made our work in the Senate that much more difficult- and has made our majority precarious to say the least.

For instance, who wants to bet that Joe is one of those "We dont have votes" conservatives that we here so much about?

[Vidar]

29. Couldn't agree more.

[Dr Fate]

82. I'm glad you had no trouble getting to the DLC's pro-Lieberman article.

Pass it on.

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[Blue_Tires]

119. +1

[Dr Fate]

11. LOL! 3 "Judas" votes so far.

LOL! You heard it here first folks- the DLC's website really isnt their website, and Joe Lieberman isnt really a DLCer.

"No, I do not know Him."

All that's missing now is the 30 pieces of silver. Is the Cercis siliquastrum close behind?

[NoPasaran]

20. There's another

Choke on it, shit head.

[Dr Fate]

43. So this is not the DLC website, and Lieberman is not associated with the DLC?

News to me.

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[LoZoccolo]

62. Joseph Lieberman was in /Winning New Hampshire/ with Martin Sheen.

Martin Sheen was in JFK with KEVIN BACON.

[wyldwolf]

23. LOL!

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[Dr Fate]

42. I thought you would like that one.

Must suck having to pretend that the DLC opposed that guy.

DU seems to be the only place where DLCers do that- everywhere elese, including their own site, they are quite proud of him.

"NO-I do not know him"

[wyldwolf]

49. I did. It's hysterical watching you obsess over this. But here is something real important:

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[Occam Bandage]

17. I would like to read the whole article. Do you have a working link?

The link at the moment is incomplete, and appears to be copy-pasted sloppily from another DU post.

[Sebastian Doyle]

19. The link WAS working before, but the article appears to be gone now

Seems that somebody at DLC headquarters is now "disappearing" their own history. Not sure why, in this case. They never officially rebuked Holy Joe. Not even last year when he was campaigning for the enemy.

[wyldwolf]

22. Dr. Fate has a habit of giving links that don't work - but OH NO! It's a DLC plot!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8483703&mesg_id=8484910

[Forkboy]

27. ....

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[wyldwolf]

28. does that mean the nefarious DLC DID NOT remove the link?

[Forkboy]

87. Yes. It also means you were wrong to imply that Dr. fate deliberately posted a bad link.

Guess it's a wash, no?

[wyldwolf]

89. I didn't imply he deliberately posted a bad link.

I stated that he did, in fact, post a bad link. And he did.

[Dr Fate]

91. Is there a particular point made in the DLC article that you would like to focus on? (link provided)

???

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

Or are you going to spend 20 more posts talking about the bad link?

Oh- and thanks for helping me keep this thread kicked, BTW! ;)

[wyldwolf]

96. It wasn't me that brought up the bad link.. And as I've already stated - it's an election analysis

[Dr Fate]

93. Apparently the link itself is a much safer discussion than the DLC article (link provided).

Why would DLCers want to avoid discussing the details in this article? Any clue? ;)

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[wyldwolf]

97. you've noticed no one wants to discuss a three year old election analysis with you... but hey!

Why not start a FOURTH thread on it and see if you can get some traction there! :rofl:

[Dr Fate]

100. Almost 100 posts- and well over 1000 views- thanks for the kicks!

;)

[wyldwolf]

104. and 48 votes on your poll... LOL! People REALLY do care! LOL

[Dr Fate]

34. Here is where you discuss the DLC's web entry with me at length- before it was removed yesterday:

You seemed to able to read the article just fine b/f it was removed.

Start at post 80- and then you can see that you yourself went to the link- then discussed it-when it used to work

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8483703#8484597

[wyldwolf]

37. It wasn't removed. You just don't know how to post a simple link

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[Dr Fate]

39. Seemed to work fine yesterday, all day long. Here is a good one:

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

The Election Day exit polls said it all. They confirmed that Lamont's partisan, polarizing strategy failed to drive down Lieberman's Democratic vote. He won 33 percent of the Democrats, almost the same percentage he had gotten in the first major poll nine days after the primary. The exits also confirmed that our broad-based, problem-solver strategy succeeded where it mattered most -- with unaffiliated voters. We won by 19 points among independents -- the exact same margin by which Democrats won the votes of independents nationally. Finally, the polls highlighted the consistency of our appeal across not just party lines but also religious lines. We won among Jews and Catholics, which we expected, but also among Protestants. The only religious groups Lieberman lost were "other" and "none."

More than anything else, Lieberman's victory showed us the limits of polarizing politics. After all, the fastest growing party in America, not just in Connecticut, is no party. The only way Democrats are going to win over those independent thinking and increasingly anti-partisan voters, which is essential to winning back the White House and building a sustainable majority, is to resist the pressure of the polarizers in our party to run more Lamont-style campaigns. What works, as Joe Lieberman clearly demonstrated this fall, is the politics of results.

[wyldwolf]

45. It still works. You just don't know how to post it

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[Dr Fate]

47. Fair enough:

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[wyldwolf]

48. see? Just cut and paste. Next we'll teach you have to stay in the lines when coloring:

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[Metatron]

26. Here is the link

The article is called Lieberman Comes Back.
http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[Moochy]

33. DLC sez: Resist the Polarizers in our party!!!

Some choice doublespeak at the end:

"More than anything else, Lieberman's victory showed us the limits of polarizing politics."
< snip >
"The only way Democrats are going to win over those independent thinking and increasingly anti-partisan voters, which is essential to winning back the White House and building a sustainable majority, is to resist the pressure of the polarizers in our party..."

Yeah, Those pesky 'polarizers' who insist on core party issues, and advocate for actual policy stances.

[Dr Fate]

40. So you were able to link to & see the article- good.

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[Dr Fate]

32. The link worked yesterday- I saved several paragraphs from it

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149


"...as a strategist for Joe Lieberman's victorious Senate campaign, to watch Democrats struggle to fit the square political peg of the Lieberman comeback into the round electoral hole of the Democratic takeover. Here you had a pro-war, 18- year incumbent, rejected by his own party in the Connecticut primary, running as an independent with an ostensibly anti-war, pro-change, deep-blue electorate -- and winning the rematch against his primary opponent by a resounding 10 percentage points.

Here are 4 paragraphs from it- which is all I'm allowed to post @ once, per DU rules.


"Of course, the Lamont partisans and the bloggers who wanted to purge Lieberman from the party will dispute that characterization. But once you cut through all the hyperbole and misinformation, it is clear that Lieberman was being targeted for expulsion not as a matter of policy, but of purity. He did not share the polarized Democrats' hatred and contempt for Bush and the Republican leadership, and he committed the unpardonable sin of actually working with the other side on occasion."

The Election Day exit polls said it all. They confirmed that Lamont's partisan, polarizing strategy failed to drive down Lieberman's Democratic vote. He won 33 percent of the Democrats, almost the same percentage he had gotten in the first major poll nine days after the primary. The exits also confirmed that our broad-based, problem-solver strategy succeeded where it mattered most -- with unaffiliated voters. We won by 19 points among independents -- the exact same margin by which Democrats won the votes of independents nationally. Finally, the polls highlighted the consistency of our appeal across not just party lines but also religious lines. We won among Jews and Catholics, which we expected, but also among Protestants. The only religious groups Lieberman lost were "other" and "none."



More than anything else, Lieberman's victory showed us the limits of polarizing politics. After all, the fastest growing party in America, not just in Connecticut, is no party. The only way Democrats are going to win over those independent thinking and increasingly anti-partisan voters, which is essential to winning back the White House and building a sustainable majority, is to resist the pressure of the polarizers in our party to run more Lamont-style campaigns. What works, as Joe Lieberman clearly demonstrated this fall, is the politics of results.

[wyldwolf]

21. LOL! This is Dr.Fate's THIRD attempt in 2 days to stir shit with a three year old election analysis

Kinda pathetic. But here are some quotes for you...

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[Dr Fate]

31. Imagine that- me linking the DLC to their own member, and their own website.

n/t

[wyldwolf]

38. about a dozen times in three different threads. LOL! Obsessive!

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[Dr Fate]

41. At least you proved that the DLC is not associated with Lieberman.

;)

[wyldwolf]

44. where? Link? Is that how you discuss things? By making things up?? LOL

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[Dr Fate]

50. WORKING LINK HERE:

Sorry folks- at some point the link from yesterday stopped working- here is a good one:

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

DLC | Blueprint Magazine | January 4, 2007
Lieberman Comes Back

[wyldwolf]

51. Everybody! A round of applause! Fate learned to post a link correctly!

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[Dr Fate]

52. You seem to agree with DLC's position on Lieberman-as stated on their website-in any event. n/t

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[wyldwolf]

53. I agree the "progressive" attempt at purging the party is a lousy thing

"There is a strong argument to be made that the DLC has been the most influential think tank in American politics over the past generation...the DLC helped set in motion a period of party modernization that has helped the Democratic Party overcome the potent and ultimately ruinous rise of the New Right" - Simon Rosenberg

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[Dr Fate]

55. So you & the DLC side with Lieberman (I -3rd Party)- we already knew that.

I think supporting conservative 3rd parties over a legit DEM nominee is a lousy thing.

Running a conservative 3rd party every time the DLC does not like our nominee doesnt seem to be a good approach either- but at least the DLC makes it clear as to where they stand.

[wyldwolf]

56. ha ha. Amazing - but fine example of how "progressives" smear people. But look here:

"There is a strong argument to be made that the DLC has been the most influential think tank in American politics over the past generation...the DLC helped set in motion a period of party modernization that has helped the Democratic Party overcome the potent and ultimately ruinous rise of the New Right" - Simon Rosenberg

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[Dr Fate]

69. LOL! So I'm "smearing" DLCers by linking their own DLC website to their own member, Joe Lieberman?

If choo say so!

[wyldwolf]

71. no, you're smearing DUers by claiming they've said things they haven't. And I've asked for links.

But you ignore the request. Not that you could post them accurately anyway.

[Dr Fate]

74. LOL! At least you proved that the DLC is not associated with Lieberman's run.

:sarcasm:

NOTE: This is sarcasm -No DUer- I repeat- NO DUer has yet to disprove that Joe Lieberman was a DLC candidate.

I certainly have no links showing that they did!!!

[wyldwolf]

75. Link? But you forgot this:

"There is a strong argument to be made that the DLC has been the most influential think tank in American politics over the past generation...the DLC helped set in motion a period of party modernization that has helped the Democratic Party overcome the potent and ultimately ruinous rise of the New Right" - Simon Rosenberg

"I cannot tell you how important the DLC is to what we do at the White House...The DLC is fundamental to what's going on in the Democratic Party, thinking through issues, helping to come up with creative solutions to very knotty, difficult policy choices." Rahm Emanuel, June 17.

"It was Bill Clinton that recognized the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems. Clinton's third way... tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of Americans." - Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

“I am a New Democrat.” Barack Obama to the New Democrat Coalition.

"As a candidate for the Democratic nomination to the US Senate in 2003, Obama urgently needed to lock down the progressive, black and antiwar vote in his home state of Illinois, and was compelled to renounce the Democratic Leadership Council. That was then. This is now." - Bruce Dixon

[AtomicKitten]

72. Their support of Lieberman speaks for itself.

They backed ideology over party and not in a good way, dragging the party to the right. Their hypocrisy is exposed in their attacks on the left for trying to preserve/instill progressive policy.

I will add that I am appalled at the Democratic version of the Good 'Ol Boys including Pres. Obama himself "clearing the field" for people like Sen. Specter (party-hopper) and Sen. Gillibrand (appointee). Squashing open primaries isn't a particularly edifying exercise of participatory democracy.

[Dr Fate]

76. I also believe that the DLC's own website gives an accurate presentation of DLC views on Lieberman.

It's clear that the DLC supports and approves of his 3rd party run.

[AtomicKitten]

79. &*$%# Lieberman was McCain's wingman FFS!!!!

I read Lieberman was considering running as a Democrat next go, no doubt to tap into the Democratic Machine. I would venture to guess most Democrats, those with a conscience that is, would rather vote for their dog's poo than support that traitorous SOB!! And if the DLC follows through and supports another indie run, it will create a Holy Shit Storm in the party.

[Dr Fate]

80. My guess is that the DLC will continue to support Lieberman, as they always have. (Link provided)

Considering that it is the DLC who supports & approves of DLC candidates as 3rd parties when they do not like the legit DEM nominee, I'd say you are right.

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[newspeak]

73. I didn't bother to do the poll

But I'd say the DLC "think tank" is probably the same as the Heritage Foundation. Make up your own bogus facts to fit your very corporate agenda. Listening to people like Pelosi, it seems that the only agenda is to win, kind of like the * administration's goals. Some of the same DLCer's who allowed * carte blanche to the ME. You know why? Because they agreed with his act of aggression for their little war profiteering friends, including the oil companies.

So, Clinton's plan is the third way and that's why he signed Poppy's NAFTA-GATT and swept the BCCI, Iran-Contra under the rug, so they could basically reach across the aisle. Then, *-Cheney gets into office and the same thugs are back at it again. Way to go third way!!!!!!! Why I see a MO developing here. One administration can rape and pillage and the other can sweep it under the rug while maintaining the status quo, and on and on it goes--until what? Until there's no treasury left, until there's no middle class left or until there's no party left (either party).

[Dr Fate]

77. Lieberman was a DLC candidate, and he often agreed with Bush on major issues- so you have a point.

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[Moochy]

83. I blame Nader for Lieberman's Independent Senate Run!

Damn that NADER!!!!

[Dr Fate]

84. Sure- and then Nader forced the DLC to brag about the DEM defeat on their website (link provided)

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

Hell- Nader probably WROTE the article just to fool us all into opposing the DLC.

It was NADER who worked on Joe's campaign, not DLC staffers!!!!

It was Emmanuel Goldstein all along! We are not at war with Eurasia- we have always been at war with Eurasia!

:sarcasm:

[Moochy]

85. And ultimately cant all of du agree on the simple fact

that Nader is the root cause of everything? If Nader had not run and Gore and Lieberman won....

If President Gore and VP Lieberman just transferred power to President Lieberman and VP Wyldwolf ...

"And we would have gotten away with if not for you meddling Nader supporters!"

[Dr Fate]

86. Sure- and it was "Nader" who forced DLCers to kiss George Bush's ass for 8 years too.

NADER forced the conservative DEMS to vote for the war.

NADER forced the conservative DEMS to CONTINUE supporting the war, while trashing the folks who were right as "far left crazies"

NADER forced them to support Bush's conservative (and failed) economic agenda.

NADER forced conservative DEMS to take all those sweet bribe checks from the Health Profit industry.

NADER forced them to say "we dont have the votes" everytime we need them to vote with us.

etc, etc.

I dont care for Nader either- then again, I'm not hypocrtical about 3rd parties like the DLC is.

Very few people supported Nader at all- so maybe the DLC keeps bringing it up b/c they need cover and distractions right about now.

But enough about "Nader"...

Particular points of discussion on the DLC's 3rd party support can be found here:

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[Jennicut]

90. In Connecticut it was the Repubs and some conservative Dems that voted Loserman back in

I know, I live here. Loserman was the Repub candidate. He got almost all the Repub votes...my conservative parents voted for him. Plus, he had many Dems still loyal to him for the things he did in the past like going to bat for the Groton subs. We are not really a conservative or very liberal state. We are stuck in moderate-ville. Our governor is a Repub that would not win in other states as a Repub. Lamont was also maybe not the greatest candidate in the world...he was from Greenwich of all places although I voted for him. Anyone was better then that weasel.
By the way, I cannot stand Nader OR the DLC.

[Dr Fate]

92. It's true- the DLC counted on the Republicans to push through their 3rd Party run.

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[Jennicut]

94. No one payed attention to the Repub here in CT so Loserman was the default Repub

[Dr Fate]

95. And then the great DLC hero, Joe Lieberman, went on to campaign for SARAH PALIN (R).

The Republican & conservative connex to the DLC are open for all to see.

[Freddie Stubbs]

98. What speficilly did the DLC do to help Lieberman after he lost the primary?

:shrug:

[Dr Fate]

99. Al From, FOUNDER of the DLC, helped run his campaign. The DLC's own website approves of the run..

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/17/520896.aspx

"But From and the DLC, critics would point out, didn't think it was important to elect a Democratic Connecticut senator back in 2006. From and key DLC aides supported -- and also worked on -- Lieberman's independent Senate bid, after Ned Lamont bested him in last year's Democratic primary."


Al From is the founder of the DLC. Al From also helped Joe Lieberman (also a DLC member) campaign against the Democrat, Ned Lamont.

Joe Lieberman himself is a member of the DLC and a DLC candidate.

Joe Lieberman's 3rd Party strategist's words & views seem to find a welcome home at the DLC as well.

Joe Lieberman's run is bragged about and approved of on the DLC's own official website.

I'm not sure why you are having trouble seeing that the DLC supports and approves of Joe's 3rd party run.

Who should I believe- Al From, Joe Lieberman & the DLC's own website, or an anonymous voice telling me something different?


http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[wyldwolf]

103. uu huh

Al From, FOUNDER of the DLC, helped run his campaign

Says who? Oh yeah, you gave this link in another thread:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/17/520896.aspx, in which the author makes the unsupported claim. Perhaps it's from one of them "anonymous" voices you question in your above reply. But if we're going to believe the claim in that link, then we must also believe THIS line from it:

"...the DLC spokeswoman added that From's statement was his personal remarks, not the DLC's..." which proves, if we're not going to cherry pick the points from your link, that DLC members can and do act independently of the DLC. :)

[Dr Fate]

107. And Yet Al From's "personal remarks" are 100% in line with what we find at the DLC's own website.

It should be no suprise that DLC founder Al From's "personal remarks" match those found at the DLC's own official website.

He is the DLC's FOUNDER after all.

Al From, DLC founder, camapigned for Joe, while the DLC's own website brags about it and approves of it.

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149


EDIT: edited to add quotation marks

[wyldwolf]

111. which is an election analysis! Go figure! LOL!

[Dr Fate]

112. A DLC "election analysis" that supports & approves of Joe's 3rd Party run (link provided)

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[wyldwolf]

114. that explains how the election was won and lost

[Dr Fate]

115. That's right- the DLC article brags about how the DLC candidate defeated the legit DEM nominee.

http://www.dlcppi.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=254149

[Kingofalldems]

106. Oops! Looks like at least one blue dog is totally uninformed.

Thanks!:hi:

[Dr Fate]

109. Pass it on. n/t

n/t

[Kingofalldems]

108. Aren't you a big Lieberman fan?

Just asking.:shrug: :shrug:

[redqueen]

101. You do know the Blue Dogs vote against Dem interests more often than DLCers, right?

Just checking.

[Dr Fate]

102. Then feel free to post something about them-This is about how they support conservative 3rd Parties.

Blue Dogs, DLCers- just about all of them kissed Bush's ass for 8 years.

I never really knew there was too much of a difference- the media refers to all of them as "moderate" Democrats.

[redqueen]

105. I didn't either, till I saw the research.

I found it rather shocking, considering all the noise about the DLC...

[wyldwolf]

110. if it can actually be agreed on what voting the Democratic party line means...

... New Democrats have... what? A 3% variance from the rest of the party? Something like that?

Further research I saw shows New Democrats don't vote in a lockstep block as much as other caucases do.

You come away wondering why, as you said, "all the noise about the DLC..." I have my thoughts on it.

[Dr Fate]

113. A lot of over lap as well.

Like I said, if you have an issue with Blue Dogs, I won't stand in your way.