Heard on Hartmann...Harry doesn't want Franken seated

[Doctor_J]

because then he won't have an excuse for kowtowing to the Repukes and their fascist agenda. A caller put this forth and Thom say he couldn't agree or disagree.

:scared:

[tekisui]

1. Of course. Harry won't have anyone to blame when his caucus

has '60 votes'. He has made a career of not having the votes, of trading leadership for weakness.

[Bleacher Creature]

2. This is pure crap, and Thom knows better.

Reid is spineless, for sure, but there's no way in hell that he WANTS to kowtow to the RW agenda.

[atreides1]

4. So far Reid's record

Points exactly in that direction, he's always the first one to raise a white flag or goes out of his way to keep his powder dry. The man is not a leader, I've seen 5 year olds who have better leadership skills then Senator Reid.

He's also not a man who is willing to fight for what he believes in, in my opinion.

[fascisthunter]

5. yup... indeed

[Bleacher Creature]

11. I don't disagree with one word you wrote about Reid.

But to make the leap to him not wanting to seat Franken is ridiculous.

Spineless -- yes. But acting against his own self-interest is too far of a leap for me.

[omega minimo]

20. Maybe he's not "acting against his own self-interest........."

[Arkana]

32. Yeah I'm gonna go with this.

Reid's spineless. Yes. We agree on this.

But for him to actively deny a rightfully-elected Senator his seat is criminal and I don't think that's what Reid wants. He's a wimp--he's not evil.

[Cha]

6. Exactly..it's a nice

soundbite on the way Harry acts sometimes and I hope he gets wind of it but it's not up to Harry.

A DUer from Minnesota clued me in that there's nothing anyone can do but let the Minnesota Courts work the process out and we should be hearing from them "any day now".

It's not as if the corporatemedia does their job and gets this kind of info out though..they're more into gossip.

[jefferson_dem]

10. Every time I try to see Thom as a legitimate, articulate, no-nonsense voice for our side...

I hear shit like this.

[OwnedByFerrets]

16. What is shit about him NOT agreeing or disagreeing???

Thom IS legitimate, articulate and no-nonsensical. PERIOD.

[Raineyb]

27. How exactly is this Thom's fault? It was the CALLER who said it

You just don't like Thom. It would be more honest if you said so instead of trying to say that he's not legitimate because of something his caller said.

[Doctor_J]

33. jeff_dem, I notice you post a lot of material from hate radio,

especially from Limpballs. You might want to wean yourself off of Rusty for a couple of weeks and listen to 30 hrs of Hartmann, before you start disparaging him and his listeners.

[avaistheone1]

15. wtf Reid pretty much has kowtowed so far.

[avaistheone1]

18. Let's get the facts straight. Thom did not say it, a caller did.

[bvar22]

26. Thom said he couldn't agree or disagree....

but I have to wonder.

For 2-1/2 years all we have heard from the Democratic leadership is the pathetic whine "...but we don't have 60 votes, so we can't do anything." This excuse was repeated ad nauseum by the conservative members of DU.

Does it matter that the Republicans NEVER had a 60 vote majority and still managed to ram through their extreme agenda?

[uponit7771]

30. Would you be willin to put some money on it?

[Doctor_J]

35. Put it this way - if the situation were reversed, Bitch McConnell would be

on TV and hate radio 10 times/day until his Senator-elect was seated. Harry doesn't even mention it.

[pinto]

3. Eh. I don't buy that. The caller's grasping on that one. n/t

[Pirate Smile]

7. Anyone who treats this as true just because some idiot says it on the Radio is a fool.

[jefferson_dem]

8. A tinfoil dunce hat for anyone who believes that claptrap.

n/t

[DJ13]

9. Reid will just adjust his excuse to needing "well above 60 votes to insure bills pass"

Watch.

(For the record, I agree with that caller. Reid doesnt want to lose his current pat answer to giving in to Republicans.)

[Dr Fate]

12. Easy to believe- the DEM brass seems to be more about crafting excuses, not results.

We get excuses before we even need excuses yet. We get "preemptive" excuses. We get excuses after the fact, we even get revisionist history excuses.

I think Thom, Big Eddie, etc have a point whern they raise this scenario.

If Franken is seated, their "end-all, grand slam" excuse: "We don't have the votes" is weakened. Then Harry, in his capaciy as cheif excuse maker, has to come up with NEW excuses for why the Conservative DEMS have to give the Republicans what they want.

If our chief excuse maker thinks this way, It would not suprise me at all...

[bbgrunt]

21. you're sure right about all the excuses--even preemptive excuses.

[high density]

13. I don't see how any excuse changes with that one seat

Nor do I see how this has anything to do with Harry Reid.

[Dr Fate]

14. The excuses will never change much, that is for sure.

You have a point- seating Franken merely weakens the "we dont have the votes" excuse in the eyes of people who are paying attention. It certainly does not keep DEMS who are too lazy to FIGHT for the votes from continuing to repeat the same old excuses as a hard fact.

As far as any connex to Harry Reid goes- he is the Senate Majority Leader, and Al Franken was elected to the Senate. So it does have something to do with Reid, the senate and the Democratic party leadership.

Some people wonder aloud, fairly or not, why Reid and other top DEMS are not making a bigger public issue about seating Franken. We have heard some excuses for why they have not, at least.

[Major Hogwash]

17. This was obvious 3 months ago!!

I can't believe Hartmann just now came to this conclusion.

Reid hasn't even raised his voice in support for Franken in months!!!

[Dr Fate]

19. Excuse: "It's not Reid's job to voice support for elected Democratic Senators"

What are some other handy excuses?

Maybe we could say that the media wont let Reid go on TV and say anything? That one always seems to work.

We might as well go ahead and get all the excuses out of our systems.

[Ganja Ninja]

22. Ed Schultz has been saying that for a couple of weeks.

It wouldn't surprise me if it were true.

[zulchzulu]

23. Why does Hartmann let these drunken tinfoil hatters on his show?

I would have had the screener tell the guy to stare at a candle for the rest of the day since he must be on a bad shroom trip.

Why the fuck would Reid do that? And better yet, it's not even within Reid's control what the Minnesota asshats are doing. Ask Pawlenty.

[Dr Fate]

25. Big Eddie & Thom himself have put forth this theory.

Neither are drunk or irrational.

When leaders are silent, people tend to fill in the blanks themselves.

Big Eddie just sez that Mn Court just ruled for Al, BTW- so our argument is irrelevant for now...

[zulchzulu]

29. Eddie and Thom need to lay off on the pot brownies

I'd be glad to wager money that Reid was not stopping Franken's next step. I'm not a big fan of Reid, but that theory is just stupid.

Even Politico reported that Reid believed Franken won the election BACK IN JANUARY...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/05/politics/politico/thecrypt/main4700618.shtml

[Dr Fate]

31. LOL! No one said Reid was "stopping" anything.

And no one said that Reid never said that he thought Al won, months & months ago.

People just wondered aloud why he was not more aggressive in more recent days. We heard the excuses for why he was not.

Perhaps all that is well ends well, and Reid did all the right things.

Still-pot brownies or not-time will tell if Reid still uses the old "we dont have the votes" as his fall-back excuse or not.

That excuse just got weaker, one way or the other.

LOL! Just b/c someone tries to fill in the blanks or has a different take than you do does not make them drug users and law breakers, BTW. LOL! You should accuse them of wearing sandals, tie-dies & being "far left" while you are at it.

[Dr Fate]

24. BREAKING: AL SEATED PER BIG EDDIE. n/t

n/t

[Doctor_J]

28. Oooh...Hartmann just said aloud that he thinks there are some Dems

who are happy to use the "no 60 votes" excuse.

[Raster]

34. I agree with Hartmann. I believe there are Dems that are so pwned by their corporate masters....

...that they will use ANY excuse not to pass legislation their corporatocracy doesn't want passed.