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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 05:24 PM Original message |
In response to the John Edwards thread started earlier today |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. Besides, people that hate or look down on the poor don't vote Democratic anyway |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
77. No, as Karl Rove (I think) said: the poor do not vote anyway (nt) |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. I don't think anyone in that thread was arguing that point |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Yeah. I think he may have been using the issue almost solely for his own gain. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Yes, I think he was |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Well, then, take it away solely from Edwards the man |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Andif I remember correctly, Rev. Jackson had some of the same |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. And in discarding him, the party discarded the poor. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. You are ignoring many Democrats who did speak of the poor |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. I was speaking more of presidential candidates |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Try Kerry in 2004 - |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Again, my regrets that I can't recommend a single post |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Well, Edwards had his shortcomings |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. John Edwards turned out to be a big zero. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Cheap shot. Elizabeth was the victim in that story. |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. She pimped herself out |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. "pimped herself out"? You say this about a cancer victim who's husband cheated on her? |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Many people have cancer. And many people |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yeah, disgraceful, but you didn't actually expect him to do anything about it, eh? |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Nope. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Then let's deal with the larger issue about getting the rest of the party to do something about it. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
7. i don't see any Edwards thread from earlier today |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. This was the one: |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
9. Irresponsible, deadbeat dads are a big part of poverty. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. True, he was a lout. But again, this isn't JUST about John Edwards |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Pick a different hero - or rather fight for the issue |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Edwards isn't my hero. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
75. I'm a woman whose child was STOLEN. It caused me health problems, |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Obviously you don't consider t hose of us who are hurting to even be worth a reasonable reply. |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
17. The issues Edwards raised were never the point of objection. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I agree that Edwards was a narcissist. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. I would bet that both Obama and Clinton were more affected by |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Both Clintons abandoned ALL Sixties values |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Rather a broad brush there - not to mention, Edwards was DLC |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. One of the most sickening experiences I had during the '08 campaign |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #44 |
70. Several of my most sickening moments of the 2008 campaign were |
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Raine1967 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
20. John who? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Again, Edwards isn't the point. The point is this party and poverty |
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Raine1967 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Wait... didn't you bring him up in OP? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I had to bring up the thread he was in to make the point about how the other thread went wrong |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
23. Edwards gave that issue a bad name |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
80. So, we poor folk can die for his sins??????? |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
28. I'm one of those pro-labor Dems from way back. I inherited the |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. And, as I've said repeatedly, it isn't about what you think about John Edwards |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Hi, Ken Burch. Yes, I follow. I usually stake out a pro-Labor position, |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Glad to hear it, fellow worker! |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. A thumbs up and a big hug back atcha. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Then start a new thread about poverty and the poor and forget about |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. This thread was about trying to do just that |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Yes, but your subject line made it about John Edwards. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Poverty requres, to used an overused word, a wholistic approach, as you say |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
37. What John Edwards thread? nt |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
46. I can't form an opinion without cali's input. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I think that you should assume that Cali supports this thread |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Are you sure you want to put cali under that kind of pressure? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #46 |
54. oh damn... |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
51. The poor definitely need an advocate... but JE showed he's not the one to do it |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
52. Who cares? He pooped where he eats. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. But did his mask slip while he was pooping? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
53. however ken, lookoing at his voting record, there is a credible school of thought that his whole |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Sadly true. However we the people could have held him to his rhetoric |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
55. What does John Edwards have to do with the party abandoning the poor? |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Edwards' peccadilloes became another excuse for party leadership... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Nailed It! |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Many of the main topics of 2008 - such as the economy and healthcare |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Edwards brought only exposure... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. the center of his campaign was John R Edwards |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 06:38 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Every candidate makes himself the center. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. No one doubt that that was his number one spiel |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. The spiel itself was significant... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
58. I'm starting to think that |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
59. One thing is certain. |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
62. K&R |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
65. The poor has been completely forgotten |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
68. Several of my most sickening momemnts of the 2008 campaign were |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Oops - this was meant to be in response to a later comment |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
73. When one steps up to be a champion for others |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. So, what's YOUR excuse? |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
74. If John Edwards actually had a RECORD of helping the poor, you might have a point. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
76. Ken, I so much appreciate your efforts. It's sad and disgusting the replies that you are getting. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
78. Handouts are just away for Congress to sweep the poor under the carpet. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
82. To a certain extent the poor and working classes abandoned us |
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