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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:36 PM
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President Obama and Bo
Sen. Kennedy sure knew what the hell he was doing when he gave the Obamas that dog...

How could President Obama not feel guilty everytime the dog licks his face and the families' until a good health bill is passed.

Takin' the dog for walks is like daily guilt trips....

Have fun, Mr. President ;) :)
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:47 PM
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1. I don't understand the negative vote...
Every time I eat ANYTHING if I don't give the dog the last bite, the dog makes me feel guilty...dogs have a way of doing that.

I love dogs, probably more than people, and if the year goes by without passage of a good health bill, the President will not be able to forget about it with that adorable dog hangin' around the family.

The bill will be passed, and I'm sure Bo will lend moral support and constant reminders.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:50 PM
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3. Understand it yet?
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raventattoo Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:59 PM
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5. In general, I also love dogs more than people. nm
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 11:02 PM
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6. To understand my OP
one would have to be a real dog lover. They get under your skin and make me feel guilty if their supper is a half-hour late...any small thing will make me feel bad.

Dogs drive conscientious people up the wall..:)
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:48 PM
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2. You ASSume that he has
or will have.........something to feel guilty about???? How small of you. Your post is pathetic, at a time of grieving for the nation. Uncle Teddy stood for hope, as does Pres. Obama. That's why Teddy endorsed him.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:58 PM
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4. Yes, Obama is the new Hope,
But Sen. Kennedy was his strongest supporter - and I don't know who is qualilfied to take his place in the Senate. Nobody has his spark, humor, courage, he was a fighter.

THis matter was utmost on Sen. Kennedy's mind - more pressing than his brain tumor - he himself wrote a letter last week asking that an interim be appointed immediately without waiting for the election. He was worried about voting for the health care bill.

I want to see his last request filled, don't you?

President Obama is a sensitive man, married to a sensitive woman. They have the burden of missing the Senator and the problem of who can replace the legendary Senator. They want a health bill for their own satisfaction, but Kennedy ENDORSED him only after he promised to do the health care thing.

Lots of weight on the President's shoulders right now. My heart is with him and I cry everytime I see him speak.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 11:37 PM
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11. One of his strongest supporters is now
the Senior Sen. from MA. Sen. John Kerry. Between he and Chris Dodd helping Obama, they'll get it done...don't you worry your little heart about it! They won't let Teddy down!!
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 11:06 PM
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7. You seem to need a class in US government, civics, history. Congress writes the bills..
...president signs them.

Maybe you should direct the guilt trip elsewhere for now.

:patriot:
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 11:12 PM
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8. Kennedy already wrote a health bill - finished it in July
It's getting it through Congress that's the problem.

There are 4 bills floating around the house, and one bill not completed by the Senate's Finance Committee - our friend Baucus...and I heard it doesn't have a public option..

Sen. Kennedy seemed to think that the President had a lot to do with it. He gave him his endorsement on the condition that Obama would get a bill passed his FIRST year - if everything I've heard on MSNBC is true.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 11:34 PM
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9. Go back and read the last line of your origional post!
"Have fun President Obama" What the hell does that mean??? That is what I found most offensive. Oh, and "teddy knew what he was doing when he gave Bo to the Obamas" Do you really think that this even entered Teddy's mind? Your post has nothing to do with loving dogs and guilt as you say. It has to do with INTENTIONS, so cut the crap, especially after that wonderful memorial service.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 11:41 PM
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12. It's not really "have fun"
It's like when a friend has a real problem, and you can't help, but you listen and when you leave or hang up, you say "have fun" and the listener knows you're saying it sympathetically...and generally, "I love you" follows...

I must be weirder than I thought...
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 11:49 PM
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14. If you listened to all the speakers at the Wake,
you will have learned that Ted knew how to push everyone's buttons - he was a master at it.

Giving that dog to Obama was a symbol of his high regard for him, and he knew the dog would outlive him, but wanted him to have it because he knew it was a great family dog, and perhaps he wanted to be be remembered...

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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 11:56 PM
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15. HELP bill has the kind of public option Teddy thought possible, deals made with industry were partly
his and Baucus. He knew what an uphill climb. That industry has now ramped up the opposition to get it watered down, after their potential windfall, are decisions now with Obama. Kerry and Dodd really want this and understand the issue.

People complain about what Obama didn't or did push, but alot of that compromise was Kennedy. Teddy didn't think Single-Payer, his ideal, would fly, but we want as much regulation as we can get. He called it a partnership with industry.

Moyers was on Maher saying we should go for the moon, fail, and try again. He had just talked about corporate interests. What about the immediate help to citizens and getting started. I am tired of pretending we get these legislative triumphs right away. We can still tinker in the 8 years of Obama. Everywhere but the south loves him, except maybe on DU occasionally.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 12:10 AM
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16. Lots of info in your post
Have you read or heard much about the Kennedy bill he finished in July. I assumed it had a public option. What did the partnership allow? It would be too long for me to read, but is it posted anywhere to get an idea of how it would work?

I don't think it would take 8 years if it failed this year. The midterms in 2010 could throw some Reps out of the Senate, or some blue dogs who aren't with the program.

At 71, I don't figure on being around to see it, but I think the younger people who elected President Obama will vote in the midterms, and there will be more of age and eligible to vote (Olberman claims he has the greater young audience, beating Fox). They just need to spend more money on really good information programs and commercials.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 12:20 AM
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17. At 71, still not faded!! Read the Newsweek article by him. I was surprised how much of the direction
seemed to be his, which is different from Obama's plan during the campaign, or even Dean. Neither favored the current individually purchased mandates, but Obama was persuaded. Maybe by Teddy.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 05:41 AM
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21. Well, that's true. Except when the W.H. wants its own vision represented.
Remember that Clinton's W.H. wrote its own health bill. Of course, we saw where that got them.

I think it's so complicated that a GROUP needs to write such a bill. No one person, or small group, not an expert in finance AND health care AND insurance could even begin to write such a bill.

But in reality, administrations DO write bills sometimes, or at least present drafts of key ingredients for bills.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 11:36 PM
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10. Why would he feel guilty?
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 11:43 PM
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13. Because he's a very sensitive man
One can only feel when one has a conscience...and sometimes our conscience makes no excuse for something not being our fault, we just feel that it is.

Psycho talk - ignore because I can't explain it any better than that.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 12:24 AM
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18. What does President Obama have to feel guilty about?
We don't even have a bill yet.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 01:13 AM
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19. He gave the dog to the children, not the president.
You make Kennedy sound cold and calculating.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 05:35 AM
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20. I think i am the only one that gets what you are saying...
I "Recommended" your thread if that is any conciliation
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 05:53 AM
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22. Lots of Love on this Thread
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