I think many of us will eventually warm to the idea of a trigger and even the co-ops

[Becky72]

All it takes is a scenario where President Obama signs a bill with this so-called "trigger" that might lead to a public option in the future, or the co-ops. Then, a measure that virtually none of us have supported will suddenly become a good idea for many.

[Pyrzqxgl]

1. It still seems like an excuse thats going to be hard to enforce if needed.

And you know its needed. Right now!

[Autumn]

2. Not me n/t

[Arctic Dave]

3. Or, just start out with a Public Option and not beat around the bush

like a bunch of wankers.

[Blasphemer]

4. Nope... anything with a mandate and no real PO (sans trigger) is just a giveaway to the criminals nt

[gkhouston]

5. Wait a bit, while I get the plywood out of the garage. I knew I should have

bought pig nets, but the hurricane shutters will have to do.

Now, describe the scenario that's going to make a trigger or co-ops seem like a good idea.

[DoctorMyEyes]

6. Not me

The public option WAS the compromise. What we really wanted was flat out universal coverage. What I would SETTLE for is the public option.

[Better Believe It]

7. And that will help guarantee Republican control of Congress and the White House in 2012

As health care costs continue to rise and millions are forced to buy private health insurance policies with fewer benefits.

[jefferson_dem]

12. Wrong.

That would be to not pass anything that can even be claimed as "reform"...

[Dr Fate]

13. Some predict that watered down reform will also cost DEMS elections.

Time will tell.

I'd rather go for the gold, then put up a fight. Seems like the best scenario to me...

[Jennicut]

8. I really don't want to "settle"...I want the President to put up a good fight for it.

If we don't have the votes, then so be it. But I won't warm to it unless Dems try everything to get it first.

[Neecy]

9. Not a chance.

[salguine]

10. That's what they're counting on.

[Dr Fate]

11. We don't have a much of a choice. Your people have already made up their minds to cave in to big biz

Go back & tell your people that this sucks.

[grantcart]

14. wrong - many of us have lived overseas and know that we have the

worst possible system and that it is morally abhorrent and completely inefficient.


Coops will not work - only 2 have succeeded and hundreds have failed.


Medicare works so just make medicare available for self payers.

[Eric J in MN]

15. "Trigger" means no public option.

The insurance companies would push low-premium low-coverage plans to keep average premiums down so that the public option never went into effect.

But people who buy those plans will face a lousy financial situation if they get a serious illness or injury.

[mother earth]

16. Like many of us are warming to the GOP continuing to call

the shots? This is NOT the hope and change we voted in.

I'm sorry, with Van Jones resigning...and health care reform biting the dust for the sake of bipartisanship...I'm thinking we are truly screwed. Get ready to warm up to a lot of shit.
Either this President wakes up & walks his talk, or he loses his base.

The GOP never cared about dems, they've never cared about the people....this is about beating out the corporate bloodsuckers while there's still an ounce of life left in us.

Didn't we all think we were going to get set this country on the right road at last!!!???! So far it's been a huge disappointment. I've never been so disgusted with the lack of fortitude and initiative in this party. If we can't muster together the things that are important NOW, despite the ignorant minority party's lies and misdirection, we never will.

What a pitiful lot we've all become to accept this conciliatory BS masked as reform.

[damntexdem]

17. You mean we will be successfully brainwashed?

And I'm sure we'll warm to the fact of worse healthcare coverage for ever-increasing prices -- because we won't want to be fined for refusing to buy the corporation's 'products.'

[WeDidIt]

18. I'm getting to the point where I'm just looking forward to 2010

We need more Democratic Senaotrs and more Democratic congresspersons.

[watrwefitinfor]

19. "Us?"

[MadHound]

20. No true public option, no support from the left in 2010, 2012 and beyond

Good luck getting elected having to depend on the DLC and party centerists.

[Starry Messenger]

21. Uh, no.

Hopelessly resigned, yes. "Warm" no.

[ShadowLiberal]

22. I agree on the trigger, not sure if I agree on co-ops

I think the trigger won't be a big deal, especially with the house version of the public option starting in 2013, I mean that's already a long wait that ought to be intolerable, but if it can get a public option passed I'm for it.

Co-Ops I'm not so sure about, just because they're so untested, so we really don't know if they're going to work or not.

[ruggerson]

23. I think many of you are missing the point of this OP

[Becky72]

24. Yup n/t

[ProSense]

25. What's the

point?

"I think many of us will eventually warm to the idea of a trigger and even the co-ops"

[dflprincess]

26. Well, pray, clue us in

because coops take years to develop and if Obama/Congress think what the insurance companies have been doing to us isn't bad enough to put them out of business by passing Medicare for all, what makes you think they'll ever pull the trigger.

[ruggerson]

28. Can't speak for the OP

but I think she's saying that some of the folks here who are more interested in the success of an individual politician than they are in supporting specific public policies, will suddenly move the goalposts and warm up to the co-ops and triggers, if that is the ultimate bill that the President signs.

[QC]

29. Yep. And it's true. n/t

[ProSense]

30. Ah, so the point was to be condescending by making a stupid point? n/t

[dflprincess]

32. Oh Lord, sometimes I'm dense

I must be tired, I just reread the OP, after reading your response, and I do believe you are correct.

[ruggerson]

33. I can relate

even my bones are tired today.

[Becky72]

34. ruggerson did his homework

That's correct.

Remember the torture photos? President Obama said he would release them, you heard nothing. But when he saw the light thanks to Petraeus et. al. and decided to withhold the photos, many suddenly realize that Our Natonal Security was in danger if we showed images of what had happened to certain detainees.

[debbierlus]

27. Some will....many won't. Too many people are being ruined by the insurance companies

...to let a weak bill slide...

I think this is a line in the sad moment.

[AzDar]

31. I think I won't .

[Mystayya]

35. I think you are absolutely right

Its already started happening on this site.

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

36. no.