I'm sick of this shit "Obama should have done more"

[npk]

The man has given speech after speech, been all over television, and over half his weekly address is devoted to nothing but health care and the public option. Obama cannot control the fact that these sorry ass, sack of shit, weasels in congress have so much fucking money from lobbyist crammed up their asses that they can't walk from one end of the room to the other without that money from those lobbyist falling out of their ample asses and onto the floor.

FUCK THE BLUE DOGS

AND AS ALWAYS FUCK EVERY LAST REPUBLICAN.

[ZombieHorde]

1. Obama said he would not sign a bill that did not have a public option, so hopefully we will still

get a public option.

[roguevalley]

24. given I grew up with LBJ and Sam Rayburn, I find Obama's lack of

discipline in the party over this sad to watch. He lost control when he wanted to show bipartisanship. LBJ didn't give a flying rip about bipartisanship. If he did, we would still have segregation. Obama lost this fight from day one and the candy ass advisors he has hold half the blame.

[CTLawGuy]

36. if LBJ was so great

why didn't HE pass universal health care?

[GCP]

42. He got Medicare and Medicaid through against huge Repuke opposition

LBJ talked to everybody who was a problem, he had them over to the WH, or he called them personally. He kicked butts and kissed asses as needed.
Obama is a huge disappointment to me.

[TheKentuckian]

66. LBJ also had a lot more advanced leg work

JFK kept on medicare, despite a couple of failures and then I think it is hard to argue against the reality that the assassination helped to soften a lot of resistance that made it possible to move much of the JFK/LBJ agenda. I'm in no way taking away from what LBJ accomplished but the pretending that he walked into the Oval Office, twisted some arms, and the magic just happened is totally bogus and pretty much dishonest to paint such a revision.

The existentially frustrated would have been just as much that under JFK, would be disappointed with what LBJ actually produced, and wouldn't give him the time to to do it in any event.

I understand the frustration. I'm frustrated too but its clearly not really making anyone feel better to constantly pursue comparing apples to oranges here. Johnson had a HELL of a lot more groundwork laid, not the least of it being that the idea had long been in the public conscience unlike single payer or certainly the public option concept.

Obama's bar is much higher, he's expected to equal or exceed LBJ minus the legislative resources and legwork on the ideas but add a much more anti-government populace, corporate control of the media, a much stronger economy, and absolutely zero Republicans that can be worked with. Medicare was not something that just came together with a little hustle, it took years of sustained effort to make possible and still needed some bandages to make it what we know now.

I do think its cool that LBJ is apparently starting to get some real appreciation for his epic success in domestic policy. It has seemed like a lot of Democrats kind of hated him over the years ignoring the Great Society and Civil Rights while focusing like a laser beam on Viet Nam. LBJ is totally a top 5 President, warts and all. It seems Johnson went from jerk to Jesus in about a year.

[damonm]

74. "LBJ is totally a top 5 President"...

Twaddle.

Could he have been? Bet your ass, for all the reasons you mention.
But he wasn't - because of Vietnam, which you HORRIBLY underestimate as to its effect.

Johnson pushed ESCALATION of the Vietnam war based on a LIE (the "Tonkin Gulf Incident" that never happened). We excoriate Bush for lying us into war, as well we SHOULD, but Johnson gets a pass when his decision killed FAR more young Americans? Not from me, thanks.

And it gets worse.

Johnson's dishonesty in escalating and prosecuting the war brought about the "Credibility Gap", which in turn brought about the counterculture. The counterculture fractured the New Deal Coalition, and began to alienate the blue-collar labor voters that had been Democratic bread & butter - the civil disorder, street protests, anti-American rhetoric, and seeming anarchy drove those voters straight into Nixon's "Silent Majority" - which became the Reagan Democrats.
Exacerbating this was that Johnson, having expended his political capital on Vietnam, had none left to fix the flaws in the Great Society - flaws the GOP seized upon as "excesses of liberalism", which solidified their hold on the hardworking voter.
This damage is ONLY NOW being repaired, as the economy begins to force a reforging of the coalition FDR built.

As I've said elsewhere - if all Johnson did was the Great Society and the Civil Rights Act, I'd honor him, and he'd deserve it. But on balance, I can't, because the tragedy of Vietnam has led to the mess we find ourselves in now. It led to 40 years of Republican ascendancy in American politics, the disastrous consequences of which we are only BEGINNING to experience, much less reverse. That ONE decision, based on a LIE, has led to utter, unmitigated disaster.

I can't call LBJ a good president. He meant so well, but DID so badly...

[TheKentuckian]

75. Whatever....I believe that signing the Civil Rights Act lead to the real problems

Many of the blue collar types you describe bounced out right there and Johnson predicted it. The Republicans then took advantage of that fracture and ran with it and still do to this day. No doubt the counter-culture turned off many as well but I believe the counter-culture was already a strong undercurrent that would exist and eventually come to the surface even without the primer of Viet Nam. It didn't just pop in out of thin air it had been building at least through the 50's and arguably before that. No question the anti-war sentiment turned up the volume to eleven or so but the same forces had already been unleashed as a natural blow back to a world very much in flux.

LBJ did as much for people of color and the poor as maybe anyone in history, including FDR and I celebrate him regardless Viet Nam regardless and whatever others may think but I didn't live through those years so I can only deal with the relevant and the broader history and attempt putting myself in the context of the moment. I don't expect perfection nor do I pretend it is there when it isn't. Washington, Lincoln, FDR, TDR, and LBJ ALL did horrible and unconstitutional things but you take the good and you take the bad and put together a total picture. I find it difficult to buy into the notion that you can find many Presidents that did better than LBJ and if he wasn't a very good one then almost all have to be looked at as utter debacles and that's being nice.

So, you can disagree with me but twaddle sounds like an extreme exaggeration.

[damonm]

83. The term "twaddle" applied to

the designation of LBJ as a top 5. Given the damage he did with Vietnam (a time I DID live through), I can't remotely agree with that. Somewhere in the 10-15 tier, IMO.

And while I stipulate he did damage to the FDR coalition with Civil Rights, I maintain the counterculture that sprang from the antiwar movement klled it dead. It's my position that, given the enormous support for Civil Rights in the electoral-rich North and West, that Johnson and the New Deal coalition would have stayed together were it not for Vietnam and its offspring. It is THAT damage that knocks LBJ out of any chance of top 5. You simply CANNOT overstate the effect of Vietnam on the American political scene of the late 1960s.

Remove the Tonkin Gulf Lie and the attendant escalation in Vietnam, and top 5 becomes a distinct possibility. Johnson would then have had the political capital(and the budgetary means) to fix the holes in the Great Society, the counterculture would have been FAR less virulent (I doubt greatly if the SDS or the Weathermen, to name two, would have even come into existence; Kent State doesn't happen), and Nixon's "Silent Majority" doesnt NEED its "law and order" candidate. Also, being tied to LBJ isn't politically toxic as it was in the real world of 1968, and Humphrey wins handily.

[roguevalley]

69. thank you for replying to him for me. you left out civil rights. what LBJ did

is called leadership.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

40. LBJ won his election with what was then the largest majority of the 20th century.

Obama did not.

[Telly Savalas]

79. What are you talking about?

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed 73-27, 45-21 among Democrats and 28-6 among the GOP. If LBJ had relied only on Democratic votes, the measure would have failed.

With 21 Senators from his own party jumping ship, I'm not sure you can really hold LBJ's leadership on this issue as an example of solid party discipline.

[CTLawGuy]

98. Exactly

people don't understand that in the 1960s the Republican party was not composed of the far right radicials that compose it today. It was actually a moderate opposition party that accepted the New Deal regime but concentrated on keeping down the deficit. In the 70s and 80s movement conservatism began, wherein the far right began organizing in order to take over the Republican Party from these moderates.

To compare Obama's situation to LBJ's is comparing apples to oranges.

[WeekendWarrior]

108. I grew up with LBJ, too, and LBJ was a tool.

Did he do some good things? Sure. But he was still a tool.

[thunder rising]

2. Sorry, where is he tonight? When his cornerstone issue is at hand?

After today, I'm not feeling all that well about the intentions our President.

1. We still have 2 wars (one of which is about to escalate)
2. Guantanamo
3. No Public Option
4. Fisa
5. DOMA
6 ....

What has he accomplished. And if he's having problems why can't he tell US! If he would give us coherent positions we would help. As it is, he insisted Max Baucus would get the job done and left him alone. Bad management. 'nuff said.

[npk]

3. He still has to work with these ass hats in congress

He can't vote for them nor can he put a gun to their heads and make them do what is necessary. It is sad but true.

[Armstead]

4. he can be a lot firmer and clearer about demanding public option

[thunder rising]

5. Sorry it's just bad management. And after 6 years we lost in a heads up fight and he was out of the

country.

[npk]

7. I get the frustration, but...

To me this reeks of the same old congress. Money and influence will trump any issue that dares to get in the way of the corporate status quo. I blame congress, way more than I put this blame on the Presidents shoulders.

[Jennicut]

13. Yeah, a President should really control a Senate committee

People need to take a refresher in political science and how government works. Did anyone expect any less out of Baucus? What could he be pressured with? The man could care less if he wins reelection, he wants what comes down the line when he is done with politics.

[MadMaddie]

26. If I am am correct he didn't vote on the Senate Finance committee.

Do you honestly think he could have turned the Blue Dogs? It is clear they side with the Repuglicans and nothing is going to change that.

Don't forget this was one of 4 bills that's out there it is not over.

Yes, he is out of the country trying to secure the Olympics for Chicago which translates into thousands of jobs and big tourist dollars for the region. Why is that a bad thing?

The Democratic Congress is not holding up it's end of the deal. Max Baucus is a sellout along with the rest of the Blue Dogs.

[earth mom]

32. And Global Warming is on the back burner.

:argh:

[zulchzulu]

50. Can you send me the link where Obama has monarchistic powers now

I didn't know he could just decree his will over Congress and the Senate without their legislative responsibilities.

Oh, and he might be on Air Force One, which last anyone with a clue heard, is pretty much the Oval Office with wings.

[Autumn]

6. Sorry , "Obama should have done more" is true,

He is an extremely popular President and was elected with an overwhelming mandate. He should have shoved what he campaigned on down their fucking throats. We have had his back and he should have our backs. And I agree with


FUCK THE BLUE DOGS

AND AS ALWAYS FUCK EVERY LAST REPUBLICAN.

[vaberella]

21. I didn't see many Dems countering the nuts at the townhalls.

Sorry to say the Repubs had their nutters out in full force and the were yelling and screaming their way to getting on the news and being recognized. The Dems didn't seem to have his back during those times---so much so that the PO was actually believed to be dropped and this was propogated on DU by many.

So I would have to say no. Not many Dems supported the PRes. As a matter of fact of fact on this board there were two types of factions and a third to a smaller extent. Those who supported the PO and those who supported ONLY single payer. The third being the ones who want to keep their present health insurance but supports the public option. And I saw more people leaning towards single payer than not. I only know of one who supported PO ONLY after Howard Dean said he would support a PO over a single payer in regards to health reform.

In regards to the Pres....he has don quite a bit and for someone to say otherwise just boggles my mind. He did townhalls, he's been on television show after show to explain the PO every speech..and yet he hasn't done enough because he's not blackmailing his Congress?! Are you out of your mind?! I mean seriously. When people suggest he needs to "shoved what he campaigned on down their fucking throats" says to me they want a Bush for the left. Seriously. You all bashed Bush for what he did and yet you want our President who believes in the rule of law and division on power to do what Bush did if it fits your needs. IT doesn't bloody work like that----you want a Monarchy if that's the case.

He has a division of power and he's doing his best on it Secondly he has other goals to meet besides this. You don't burn bridges when someone later on could be just the voice you need to get things done. Ugh.

[ipaint]

25. Countering with what?

We want a public option, but wait a minute not a weak public option but a strong one, well maybe not real strong but we'll settle for something. Can we fit that on a sign?
And then the president can get our backs by saying it's just a sliver of the total package.



75% of the country want a public option AT LEAST. If he can't mobilize that kind of support which includes his entire base of voters and use it to pressure the idiots in congress then yes he is ineffective. The only question is if it is on purpose or not and considering his intelligence I can't believe it is anything but on purpose.

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. On purpose. Definitely on purpose.

[Bluenorthwest]

51. It looked to me as if the President left Democrats to fend for

ourselves, including our elected Reps who had to face those crazed town halls without a strong plan to speak about, and a strong President covering their backs. Weak, self serving, and craven. It is not possible to support the plan of a man who does not state his plan. I do not follow persons but principles, so I do not support just because Obama does, he opposes equal rights for my family for mercy's sake, and I see my family as being as human as he is, so we are at odds on some basics.
They emailed 'support our plan' I asked what it is and they said they did not know. Support a pig in a poke? No way.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

41. HIs popularity is in the low 50's. Hardly "extremely popular."

And "shoving things down their throats" would've made him every bit as bad as Bush was. We just would've happened to agree with what he was doing.

[Autumn]

49. Drastic times call

for drastic measures, People are hurting. President Obama inherited a hell of a mess. He has a hell of a lot to do. He convinced a majority of the American people that he knew and understood what needed to be done and he is the man to do it. If you think he can fix this cluster fuck by depending on and being all nicey poo to a large part of the group who got us into this mess by being all conciliatory ,, I just don't know what to say. I can guarantee you , he can work with those people fairly and they will turn around and plant a knife in his back. So maybe he should be as bad as Bush was. Thats my opinion.

[stray cat]

8. He should have really elected progressive democrats in all those purple and red states

its not like people had a vote on who represents them or anything and it isn't as if we have a president and congress and senate instead of our king.

[babylonsister]

17. How stupid. When was he supposed to 'elect them'? Since January? Oi. nt

[hileeopnyn8d]

52. I think that was sarcasm. nt

[Cha]

70. Yeah, straycat was being

sarcastic.:)

[Enrique]

9. did he ever meet with those progressive democrats?

who wanted to talk to him about health reform?

I know he's been meeting with the republicans, the blue dogs, and the Pharma lobbyists. But what about the progressive caucus?

[babylonsister]

19. Yes, numerous times. Try DU search-it's here somewhere. nt

[Enrique]

22. the answer is no

it was a rhetorical question, and the answer is no, the meeting which Raul Grijalva said Obama agreed to never happened. That was a couple of weeks ago.

[babylonsister]

23. Google it. Obama met with progressives. nt

[uponit7771]

56. Your assessment is wrong

[Rosa Luxemburg]

10. They can't make up their mind. It's usually he is doing too much! nt

[IndianaGreen]

11. It was Obama who put single payer, Medicare for all, off the table

Apparently Obama is more interested in bankrupting Chicago by bringing the Olympics to that city than he is in bringing universal health care to all Americans.

[GCP]

44. +1000

:thumbsup:

[RepublicanElephant]

12. yep. obama has the most propagandized and powerful media in the history of this country against him.

he has to play this careful, slow game of chess or the attacks would be much more vicious than they are now.

and unfortunately, it's easier for most americans to believe what they see on the tv lookie-box than to do a little research on the web to get to the truth.

so obama has to show that he's not a "menace to society", that he plays well with others, and is not going to kill grandma.

political reality can be quite frustrating.

[inna]

14. :rolls eyes:

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[earth mom]

33. Quit living in denial because it's YOU who is getting screwed here-just like the rest of us. nt

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[katandmoon]

16. Has he ever said he would not sign a bill that did not contain the public option?

[CakeGrrl]

27. He said any bill he signs must include a public option

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/obama-demands-the-bill-i-sign-must-include-public-option.php

[Eyes_wide_ open]

64. Thanks for linking that CakeGrrl

I hadn't seen it. In these desperate times it's hard to hold on to the belief that there is ANYBODY on the side of "we the people", and all too easy to get caught up in the deliberate confusion of the facts delivered by the MSM. I needed to hear what our President actually said rather than all the conclusions drawn about "what it means". :thumbsup:

[CakeGrrl]

95. No problem. Use it as often as necessary whenever

the President is accused of not stating his intention.

[JTFrog]

99. Yes. n/t

[opihimoimoi]

18. I don think the Obama Team anticipated the sheer viciousness of the entire GOP Spectrum

The slow response indicates "suprise".....

With Friends like the Republicans, President Obama canardly do anything...even if the Peeps out there in America wanted and voted for it...the It in this case is Public Option.

I am supprised he got this Far....

[jgraz]

20. Obama should have done more.

Many of us were hoping he would seize on these troubled times and become a great president. Sadly, it looks like he's on his way to becoming another pro-corporate incrementalist.

[depakid]

29. When the Obama administration gets a clue as to who its enemies really are

then they'll be effective on the domestic front.

Fact is- you can't expect to be successful on the domestic front in a nutcase country using the same tactics that you use for a relatively sane "rest of the world."

[GCP]

47. Oh, for cripes sake - if they don't have a clue now

They're never going to get it.

[BlooInBloo]

30. Don't let it get to you. The Senate assholes have given the anti-Obama people their day today...

The health care fight isn't over (it doesn't even look especially worse than it did yesterday), and there are a lot more fights longer-term.

Give it a day or two.


EDIT: And of course,

FUCK THE BLUE DOGS

AND AS ALWAYS FUCK EVERY LAST REPUBLICAN.

:)

[earth mom]

31. Actions speak louder than words. Obama is full of hot air. nt

[Cha]

78. More clueless dissing of our President from those

with nothing better to do than spew their bitter venom:silly:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8678488

[CTLawGuy]

35. when we pass a public option

these people will look really stupid. But then again they will just poo poo whatever is passed in an effort to save face.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

43. They'll say it isn't strong enough. Or that it should be single payer.

Or that it should be universal.

Walking on water would only be a good start for Obama, and even then, we'd hear about intolerance for atheists.

[CakeGrrl]

94. Yep. I'm calling it right now that if anything is passed, it will be roundly criticized here

never mind that no one - not the Clintons, not Ted Kennedy's excellent advocacy, not anyone before them - has made it happen.

[CTLawGuy]

97. It's ironic

that the people who expect Obama to walk on water accuse the people who understand that he can only do so much of "worshipping him as a messiah."

[freddie mertz]

106. Well it DOES look like the legislation will kinda suck...

Even WITH the public option it is far from what is really needed.

I think it would be legitimate to say that here or anywhere else if that is what a person sincerely believes.

(Also protected under the principles of freedom of expression.)

[iceman66]

37. Agreed.

He has done far more on this issue than ANY prior president, and the work continues.

If anyone deserves criticism here, it is the so-called "Democrats" in Congress who are willing to stab Obama in the back to benefit their insurance-industry benefactors!

[freddie mertz]

38. Obama should have done more.

Obama could have done more.

He sent plenty of signals that abandoning the public option was something he could live with.

Now we are going to have to fight for it on our own.

[uponit7771]

59. No he did NOT send such signals, there's NOTHING he's said in the last year that says that...

...and the only evidence of such is usually from our EXTREMELY sloppy national M$M

[freddie mertz]

80. You gonna believe, me or your own eyes?

Or ears for that matter.

[Cha]

67. No, PO did not do that but the corporatemediawhores did and

you got SUCKED in. congratulations.

[freddie mertz]

81. Obama has been less than strong or clear on the PO.

But then, you know that as well as any of us do.

[Cha]

84. No, freddie, PO has always said he was for the Public Option

..just because you choose to believe the coporatemedia is your problem.

[freddie mertz]

104. Another false meme.

You guys have a million of em.

Meanwhile, anyone with eyes and ears can is free to evaluate the statements from the WH and the Pres on their own merit.

No filter required.

[Cha]

105. It's not anyone's problem but your's that you're

not able to comprehend what has been said.

But, that would interfer with the constant whining.

[freddie mertz]

107. You continue to insist that nobody can comprehend anything

Unless they AGREE with a certain line of argument.

That's silly!O8) :evilgrin: :eyes: :dunce: :shrug: :patriot:

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

39. Amen brother.

[Armstead]

45. Obama SHOULD have done (do) more to whip the Blue Dogs into line

Instead his own waffling has created a vacuum that has given the Blue Dogs too much power and influence

[BklnDem75]

46. Don't let it get to you

This is going to be the talking point regardless. A bill with a strong public option can pass and you'll see the usual suspects/new posters ranting how it's not good enough. The Baucus bill is the least liked among all the bills on the table, yet all the haters come out in droves. The same bill they've been ranting against for weeks, but why should that stop them from getting good digs at Obama? You'd think they'd be happy THAT bill failed, but I suppose they're just happier hating Obama.

[GCP]

48. A good public option - not some lame-ass 'trigger'

Would be fine by me. I'll STFU when that happens.
Otherwise, I'm finished with caring any more.

[uponit7771]

58. Yeap, some wanted Obama to fail in the beginning so they put the onus of blame on him regarding PO

[SeaLyons]

53. Obama did not promote the Public Option.

He kept saying it was just a "sliver" of reform. WRONG!!! Without it, we don't get reform. We get nothing. I'm so damn disappointed. Seeing Baucus and the rest of those cowardly dems voting against the public option made me sick.

[uponit7771]

57. and he is correct. He's been VERY consistant; show him something better and he'll do it but they...

...haven't shown ANYTHING better.

[SeaLyons]

60. I don't know what you're saying...

correct about what??

[uponit7771]

61. You said Obama said "...it was just a "sliver" of reform..", however unartful that is the PO is just

...part of the reform that is needed and reducing cost can be done with the PO or single payer.

There hasn't been too many solutions outside of those that better so looking at the whole package I would say he was correct in his statement.

He shouldn't have said it like such because it looks like a minimizing of something that is very important to his base

[Baltoman991]

96. Honestly, do you

folks who are hung up on the word "sliver" really need it spelled out to you as to what is meant?

There are tons of parts needed for good reform. Any one part fixed is just a "sliver". You folks take that one word and turn it around to mean "oh, in Obamas opinion the PO is small beans and he really doesn't care about it" and thats pure bullshit.

[Orsino]

54. They don't realize how little actual power the president should have.

President Obama is working hard to pull the debate somewhat to the left of America's default proto-fascism. Complete success simply isn't possible.

Of course we can always say that he should do more, with some truth, but doing more would be mostly for show. Our president is nothing if not practical.

[treestar]

55. Some people just insist on thinking Obama can wave a magic wand

It's frustrating. It's not that simple. That's the beauty of our system. One man/woman does not have all the power.

[Cha]

68. And, "done more" for what? They're acting

likes it's over and they've given up which is something the President doesn't do.

[Better Believe It]

73. Like George W. Bush did.

[kestrel91316]

63. Fuck the FAKE Democrats swarming on DU, too.

[Cha]

71. DU's like a dumpsite for the "permanently disgruntled"

..if Dennis Kucinich isn't president then that's claim enough to take cheap shots at PO.

Must suck.

[TheKentuckian]

76. Most of the eternally annoyed and agitated aren't Democrats

they tend to be Green leaners that see the Democratic party as the ultimate enemy.

[Cha]

77. Yeah, how fun debating the naderites on

reality.

[freddie mertz]

82. You guys are pretty quick with the labels.

Attack the messenger, yeah, that's the ticket.:sarcasm: :patriot:

[Cha]

88. "naderite" is a dirty word? Who

knew?

[freddie mertz]

103. I'm shocked, shocked, that anyone would make such a claim!

Transparent as can be.

[Autumn]

109. Excellent post.

Fuck ALL FAKE Democrats.:toast: In the Senate, Congress and DU

[Dr Fate]

65. I'll measure what he has "done" by the end results. Fair enough?

If we do not get a strong public option, then "should have done more" will be a correct statement by definition.

If Obama truly disagrees with certain Blue Dogs, then maybe he should be calling them out by name, or at the least, he should be demanding specific results from them.

[Better Believe It]

72. Obama has Rahm Emanuel: He knows how to use his sharp elbows against liberals and progressives

[jesus_of_suburbia]

87. It's ALL Rahm's fault! Anything bad always is.

[Obamacare]

91. For those who are disappointed

you're always welcome to go to free republic or the Sean Hannity forums. Because we're sick of the bitching here!!

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[jeanpalmer]

85. For Obama, it's all about speeches

flim flamming people. Saying he's for the PO when he won't do anything guarantee it's part of the final bill. I'm tired of his speeches. How about some action and results. He can stick his speeches.

[Cha]

89. That's all you know about it..actually if you

knew what was going on besides getting sucked in by some rw soundbytes you'd know President Obama and his Team are doing the work and he's taking his case to the American people because the corporatemedia lies about everything that's going on so the Dems will lose.

[jeanpalmer]

90. He doesn't have a credible case

to take to the American people. If he did, it would be single payer, or better. His mandates suck ass. Along with his back door deals with Pharma. I thought we elected a Democrat. It's time for him to develop a set and stand up for what's right.

[Cha]

93. I haven't heard PO say anything about

mandates and, yes, he does have a credible case.

And, thank goodness we have a President who wants this for us.

[bread_and_roses]

101. If you did not hear him "say anything about mandates" then you weren't listening

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/09/politics/main5299229_page2.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

And that's why under my plan, individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance

Sure sounds like a "mandate" to me. And a huge windfall for the Vampire insurance companies.

[Milo_Bloom]

86. Giving speeches and saying the right things are two different things

Obama has yet to put people in their place on this issue.

Essentially saying, "Shame on you if you don't believe everyone should be treated equally when it comes to health care".

He need only look at the religion he purports to follow to find the language that can be used to put these people in their place!

[JTFrog]

100. "Obama should have done more"....

is a shit statement.

Too much, too little, too late.... fucking haters will never make up their minds.

[LWolf]

102. I've been sick of Arne Duncan since he was appointed.

I've been sick of the right-wing movement to destroy public education since the Reagan years.

I've been sick of the efforts to privatize public services, including education, since the Reagan years.

Obama should have done more, beginning with the appointment of a real educator, and moving forward with good policy, to undo this shit, instead of racing it to the top.

I've been sick of the "war on terror" since it was started.

Obama should have done more to end it, instead of beefing it up in Afghanistan.

I've been sick of corporate meddling in health care all of my life.

Obama should have done more for authentic health care by supporting single-payer.

I'll go you one more.

FUCK THE BLUE DOGS AND ALL CENTRIST/CORPORATIST/3RD WAY/"NEW" DEMOCRATS

AND AS ALWAYS, FUCK REPUBLICANS.